Harry Potter spoiler I just read

[dangermousie]

I have no idea if it's true or not (and will be amused if it is). Behind the cut


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According to the spoiler, Dumbledore is killed (duh) by Snape (huh?) who is the half-blood prince (OK). I have no idea if it's true, but I am amused at the coming screams of agony of thousands of Snape fans if that is indeed the case. See Dumbly? Should have let Sirius feed him to the werewolf.

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[crumpeteer.livejournal.com]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! *where's my Darth vader NOOOO icon when I need it*

LOL. Frankly, that makes no sense. Why on earth would she have built Snape up to be rather sympathetic only to then prove that he does indeed fall into the bad guy stereotype. She'd better have some stinking good writing to back that up if she's going to pull that.

"You killed Dumbledore? 98 points from Slytherin!"

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

That's why I am not sure how legit the spoiler is. Maybe he kills him under duress? No idea.

Otherwise, it would be bad as it would just cement "preconceptions are OK. People who aren't nice can't be on the side of good."

But hey, it's her book.

"You killed Dumbledore? 98 points from Slytherin!"

ROFL

[thelana.livejournal.com]

Maybe Dumbledore is revealed as the real villain and it's totally self defense*. :p


*note: I've never actually read one chapter of the Harry Potter books.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

The mind, it boggles. It boggles mightily...:)

[crumpeteer.livejournal.com]

See, the reason I liked Snape was because he DID seem to throw the stereotype. Harry hates him, he's a bit of an arse, therefore your preconception is that he HAS to be bad. Pretentious little Harry needs to learn that just because people aren't impressed with him it doesn't make them bad. Grow up Harry, not everyone is going to like you. You aren't a Gary Stu.

And then there was the unsettling scene in OotP where Sirius and Peter are shown as complete bullies. I never could like Sirius after that. I've seen enough bullying in my life to feel a great deal of sympathy for Snape in that situation and to actually strongly dislike Peter and Sirius after that.

I just hope she doesn't do something screwy in all this.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

I adore Sirius and Snape both, precisely because they are flawed individuals on the side of good. It would really be dull if Snape turned out to be evil, because it would undermine not only his complexity, but the complexity of the MWPP as well. As it stands, they were good people (at least th MPP part of the group) who had to grow out of bullying and other negative traits. If Snape is Teh Evil, then it strips away complexity from them as well.

[crumpeteer.livejournal.com]

If Snape is Teh Evil, then it strips away complexity from them as well.

This is true, as their bullying would seem justified then and not cruel like it actually was, no matter whether Snape turned out bad or not.

People are a sum of their parts and JKR has shown that more than the majority of writers today. Peter wasn't a saint, no matter what Harry thought. A one point in time he was a stuck up, obnoxious bully, but he eventually became a hero. Sirius was an arrogant snot at one point, but he died a hero too. And no matter how hateful and spiteful Snape comes across, it doesn't changed the fact that he was a victim of bullying and an extremely bad home life. It's amazing that any of them turned out at all, but that's how people are, a sum of their experiences.

I think I could never quite forgive Sirius because he never really apologized to Snape. Sirius knew why he and Snape had bad blood, but he never seemed like he was trying to fix it. Who knows if he ever did or not, but still.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Well, I think the Snape-Sirius thing went both ways, and on balance, he was a wonderful human being (IMO).

After all, Snape never apologized to Harry for mistreating him either. I think Snape and Sirius are too alike to each other to deal comfortably.

Btw, when you say Peter, I think you mean James. :)

[crumpeteer.livejournal.com]

I do mean James, I'm just not paying attention.

I think I was more willing to forgive Snape's behavior towards Harry because I've had professors like that before. You're just inevitably going to end up with a prof that you just don't work well with eventually.

And Sirius and Snape were a lot alike. They're both stubborn, sarcastic, and had bad home lives. People generally have a hard time dealing with people who have the same flaws they do. James didn't really have an excuse except that he and Sirius were bad influences on each other.

I still maintain that Remus is evil. LOL. Until they prove it wrong, I'm going with that one.

[ancarett]

I've read that one a couple of other places, but, remember, things in the HP-verse can be pretty complex. Two points: Dumbledore's patronus is a phoenix. And remember Snape's opening speech about potions in the first book? "I can teach you how to bottle fame, brew glory, even stopper death -- if you aren't as big a bunch of dunderheads as I usually have to teach."

So maybe it's not as it seems? We'll see.

[thelana.livejournal.com]

Dumbledore's patronus is a phoenix.

Darn, I hate it when they do fake-out deaths.

[ancarett]

Well, I think he might really die but it is planned and he comes back in some sort of ghostly semi-spiritual form to give Harry moral support before the final battle. And what other way than by killing Dumbledore (faked or not) could Snape get back in favour enough with Voldemort to betray him at the end?

I agree, we don't need some sort of absolutely faked out death. That's what I'm hoping not to see here, but something a little deeper and more interesting. . . .

[thelana.livejournal.com]

Again I'm no JKR expect, but she does seem to be the veils upon veils/nothing is as it seems kind of tpye.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

*has nothing intelligent to add, so ponders*

I really do hope it's not "Snape was evil all the time, hahaha" That would be dull.

[crumpeteer.livejournal.com]

It would be hilarious if she just cliffhangered the book like that.

"And they saw Snape kill Dumbledore. He then headed toward them, wand raised.... to be continued in Book VII"

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

ROFL

In which case I'd think she's a closet Battlestar Galactica or Farscape watcher.

[sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com]

On behalf of JK Rowling, I feel that I must ask that you cease and desist in posting these infernal spoilers.

*snerk*

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Come and get me :)

[sabaceanbabe.livejournal.com]

Hee. You're such a rebel. :P

[phylogenetics.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm willing to stick out my neck and say that Rowling isn't trying to make Snape out to be the bad guy, but she is trying to get Harry to think that way. The ending, if true, would be a perfect cliff hanger. For the younger kids, they'll side with Harry and believe Snape is bad, for older ones, there would be lots of questions...certainly enough to speculate for a lonnnnnnnng time.

I always suspected Dumbledore would croak, it fits in with the Hero's Journey motif. The wise mentor must die before the hero can achieve his Destiny ("Parents must die before children can come onto their own"), and so it may go with Harry. However, I'm not sure about the other rumor.

Only eight more hours before I'll find out!

[callmecaito.livejournal.com]

Haha, thanks for the laugh, Miss Mousie. I really don't see that happening. I like everyone else's ideas of that being a cliffhanger ending, but still, I don't see that happening. Hee.

Of course, if it does, my little brain may just pop.

[dreamybritactor.livejournal.com]

Ditto for me. I don't think that Snape would have it in him. I have always thought it would be Ron Weasley biting the dust. She did say someone will die! I just wish she could bring Sirius back, if only as a spirit.

[callmecaito.livejournal.com]

Addendum:

brain go pop.

Okay, that and, Ron dying? Blasphemy! He's my favorite character! If he dies, I'll have to beat someone over the head with the fifth and heaviest book! Doesn't matter who, but preferably someone I didn't like anyway.

[callmecaito.livejournal.com]

I got the book at about ten after two this morning, and by the time I got back to school I was already a hundred pages deep. So I can give you real spoilers now.

Are you ready? I'm going to give you a big one.

Okay? Here goes...
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HARRY POTTER SNORES.

I know!!!111 lEIK, OMG!!!!11111oneoneone

(Truth be told, though... after the second chapter your spoiler actually looks a heck of a lot more likely than it did yesterday. There's deep magic afoot there, and also I'm thinking Draco Malfoy's role will be a heck of a lot more instrumental in this book.)