Yeah, I admit my attention was focused too much on flirting/dipping, hair stroking to focus on poor CH. I don't feel too bad though, the guy will end up having a throne to comfort him :)
I wonder why people at soompi think he will go evil btw. I don't love him the way you do, but I see a potential to become a good King in him. In two previous Hong Sisters dramas, one 'other guy' was a total darling (Lee Junki in My Girl) and I loathed the 'other guy' in Delightful Girl Chun-Hyang, but even he ended up easing up by the end...
I wonder why people at soompi think he will go evil btw.
I think this has something to do with the book. "My Girl" gives me hope, but it is quite unusual - we get a nagging/passive-aggressive/possessive second guy/girl as a general rule of doramas. And even if they become "better" as Yul I don't like them. We'll see - I also don't "feel" that this character as it shown at the moment can become any of above, but at the end of the day I am not the creator of the drama. :D
I am less exited about the OTP than I usual, it is hard to explain but even thought there are obstacles for them their relationship doesn't seem to be in too much danger. I am interested in HGD's story , though.
A lot of dramas I've seen have really good other guys, but yeah, we'll see. I am not the world's biggest CH fangirl (he is just not a hero, you know: he will only get involved if there is something in it for him, or a person he cares about) but he does have the makings of a competent enough King.
I think this is one of the things I like - that neither CH nor GD are normal run-of-the-mill heroes. For both of them their motivations come from their past. HGD started a bit earlier on the hero path (but not without a struggle :D). But still even now for him and his gang it is about some people they know (like that blind man's daughter) than about abstract heroism and helping ALL people.
For CH there is much more to lose - I really thought that the fact that he gave away his chance to acquire explosives (to reach his throne) a very very big deal. Who knows when he gets another chance - his life is in danger as it is.
Oh, yes - I forgotten to add that there is only one DD :D
But still even now for him and his gang it is about some people they know (like that blind man's daughter) than about abstract heroism and helping ALL people.
I don't know, I don't think so. They have been stealing from the rich and doling it out to their victims, when they don't know the victims (see them robbing that provincial overlord and sending all the money back to his taxpayers). HGD even agreed to die so those workers at the palace would be spared, and he didn't know any of them.
he gave away his chance to acquire explosives (to reach his throne)
But did he? By that point, loan shark went insane and was blowing stuff at the harbor. He was clearly not someone good to have deals with, and if he was around (either stopped from leaving or when he came back from China), it would be bad for Yongmun as he could and would be questioned. Honestly, if I were Yongmun, I would have wanted him eliminated either way. I don't mind that calculus at all (a King can't be a noble-hearted hero rebel or supremely self-sacrificial, unless he is the wonderful DD) but I don't think it's altruistic.
HGD even agreed to die so those workers at the palace would be spared, and he didn't know any of them.
Yes, but he got them all in trouble in the first place. If not for his silly interfering with Yongmun's coup (of which he didn't understand a thing, this is why I say silly) the scenario would have been different: the Prince on the throne, no victims, etc, etc. I think it was a decent thing to do for GD to give himself up but it what any decent man should have done. The prince gave up his sword, which for him is as big - it is the proof of his rights.
But did he? By that point, loan shark went insane and was blowing stuff at the harbor. He was clearly not someone good to have deals with, and if he was around (either stopped from leaving or when he came back from China), it would be bad for Yongmun as he could and would be questioned. Honestly, if I were Yongmun, I would have wanted him eliminated either way. I don't mind that calculus at all (a King can't be a noble-hearted hero rebel or supremely self-sacrificial, unless he is the wonderful DD) but I don't think it's altruistic.
Oh yep, that was all in place, but I don't think CH would have bothered even a bit if not for YN and his remembering DG's words. They could have allowed the guy to sail away (remember, that what madam Hoh wanted)
The prince gave up his sword, which for him is as big - it is the proof of his rights.
But it's not as big! I mean, the sword is important and all, but nowhere near the importance of someone's own life. Never. IMO. And it was Yongmun's plan that got all those workers in trouble, as well, so it was equally their fault. I might like CH ok, but I rather loathe Yongmun and Madam Noh and think they aren't any better than the nutty King. My biggest problem with CH is Yongmun, actually. That these are the people who are working for him. Unless he expresses his displeasure and reigns them in, I cannot truly go for him. He is responsible for actions of his subordinates. Everything Madam Noh does, is his responsibility. Anyway, I really think it's all about perception. I admit this drama is making me into a communist revolutionary :P as I am beginning to think that everybody above peasant class (except Yi Nok who doesn't know who she is) should just be kicked out of the country for good and the next ruler shouldn't be nutty King, CH or some other noble but some sort of a peasant collective :P
Hee! Sounds good! I agree that it is all about the perception - I really like the Prince and I am finding all the reasons. HDG is still slightly too teddy-bear-puppy-fat for me so I look at it differently. I like him to bits but..
But it's not as big! I mean, the sword is important and all, but nowhere near the importance of someone's own life. Never. IMO.
I don't think GD intended to die - he was hoping to get out of it and he DIDN'T die.
rather loathe Yongmun and Madam Noh and think they aren't any better than the nutty King.
I agree with this entirely - and I'll probably will end up being disillusioned with the Prince if he doesn't end this. I think he is on the way but I could be getting wrong messages. This is what makes me worry so much, you see. :D I'll love him to bits if he finds his way but what if not!!!
I don't think GD intended to die - he was hoping to get out of it and he DIDN'T die.
Really? Not initially, certainly, when he was looking for culprits in the theft. But after he went to his father, the Minister and made the agreement with him to basically hand over the sword and be killed by his men, and after he made that explicit bargain with Prince (where he agreed he will have to die, OMG his face), he knew he was going to, and he accepted it. He didn't run (except to keep Yi Nok far away and safe) and he drew them to him. And he let go of the sword on purpose so they would clearly shoot him (that's what they were even saying).
I think that is why I could never truly love CH no matter what. He told GD he would have to die in order for the men to be freed. He wasn't going to face up to things himself but have an innocent guy take blame on himself and agree to get killed. Just because GD survived through a drama-miracle doesn't make it any better on CH's part or any less desperate on GD, as nobody involved thought he would.
But yeah, YMMV.
HDG is still slightly too teddy-bear-puppy-fat for me so I look at it differently. I like him to bits but..
Really? Not initially, certainly, when he was looking for culprits in the theft. But after he went to his father, the Minister and made the agreement with him to basically hand over the sword and be killed by his men
Ok, I'll give him some credit. :D
I think that is why I could never truly love CH no matter what. He told GD he would have to die in order for the men to be freed. He wasn't going to face up to things himself but have an innocent guy take blame on himself and agree to get killed.
You see, I understand CH's position here. He doesn't view himself as anything or doesn't want anything for himself (not at least until YN appears), he is all about the idea of revenge. He can give his life but he is responsible for other people, for his mother's last wish who died to save him, blah blah blah. That sword is for him like a banner for Soviet soldier in the WW2 (remember - die yorself but save the banner? I could never get it but!) and is more important to him than his life. And anyways, he thinks he is a dead man already, some more blah blah blah.
But yep- CH need to shake up and see the world differently, not just his revenge and his "responsibilities"
But yep- CH need to shake up and see the world differently, not just his revenge and his "responsibilities"
Yup. But CH is younger than GD so it makes sense why it's taking him some time to find his path. But there is hope for him to grow and learn. I hope...
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Date: 2008-02-18 10:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-02-19 04:10 am (UTC)I wonder why people at soompi think he will go evil btw. I don't love him the way you do, but I see a potential to become a good King in him. In two previous Hong Sisters dramas, one 'other guy' was a total darling (Lee Junki in My Girl) and I loathed the 'other guy' in Delightful Girl Chun-Hyang, but even he ended up easing up by the end...
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Date: 2008-02-19 08:44 am (UTC)I think this has something to do with the book. "My Girl" gives me hope, but it is quite unusual - we get a nagging/passive-aggressive/possessive second guy/girl as a general rule of doramas. And even if they become "better" as Yul I don't like them. We'll see - I also don't "feel" that this character as it shown at the moment can become any of above, but at the end of the day I am not the creator of the drama. :D
I am less exited about the OTP than I usual, it is hard to explain but even thought there are obstacles for them their relationship doesn't seem to be in too much danger. I am interested in HGD's story , though.
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Date: 2008-02-19 04:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-02-19 05:10 pm (UTC)For CH there is much more to lose - I really thought that the fact that he gave away his chance to acquire explosives (to reach his throne) a very very big deal. Who knows when he gets another chance - his life is in danger as it is.
Oh, yes - I forgotten to add that there is only one DD :D
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Date: 2008-02-19 06:04 pm (UTC)I don't know, I don't think so. They have been stealing from the rich and doling it out to their victims, when they don't know the victims (see them robbing that provincial overlord and sending all the money back to his taxpayers). HGD even agreed to die so those workers at the palace would be spared, and he didn't know any of them.
he gave away his chance to acquire explosives (to reach his throne)
But did he? By that point, loan shark went insane and was blowing stuff at the harbor. He was clearly not someone good to have deals with, and if he was around (either stopped from leaving or when he came back from China), it would be bad for Yongmun as he could and would be questioned. Honestly, if I were Yongmun, I would have wanted him eliminated either way. I don't mind that calculus at all (a King can't be a noble-hearted hero rebel or supremely self-sacrificial, unless he is the wonderful DD) but I don't think it's altruistic.
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Date: 2008-02-19 06:13 pm (UTC)Yes, but he got them all in trouble in the first place. If not for his silly interfering with Yongmun's coup (of which he didn't understand a thing, this is why I say silly) the scenario would have been different: the Prince on the throne, no victims, etc, etc. I think it was a decent thing to do for GD to give himself up but it what any decent man should have done. The prince gave up his sword, which for him is as big - it is the proof of his rights.
But did he? By that point, loan shark went insane and was blowing stuff at the harbor. He was clearly not someone good to have deals with, and if he was around (either stopped from leaving or when he came back from China), it would be bad for Yongmun as he could and would be questioned. Honestly, if I were Yongmun, I would have wanted him eliminated either way. I don't mind that calculus at all (a King can't be a noble-hearted hero rebel or supremely self-sacrificial, unless he is the wonderful DD) but I don't think it's altruistic.
Oh yep, that was all in place, but I don't think CH would have bothered even a bit if not for YN and his remembering DG's words. They could have allowed the guy to sail away (remember, that what madam Hoh wanted)
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Date: 2008-02-19 06:19 pm (UTC)But it's not as big! I mean, the sword is important and all, but nowhere near the importance of someone's own life. Never. IMO. And it was Yongmun's plan that got all those workers in trouble, as well, so it was equally their fault. I might like CH ok, but I rather loathe Yongmun and Madam Noh and think they aren't any better than the nutty King. My biggest problem with CH is Yongmun, actually. That these are the people who are working for him. Unless he expresses his displeasure and reigns them in, I cannot truly go for him. He is responsible for actions of his subordinates. Everything Madam Noh does, is his responsibility. Anyway, I really think it's all about perception. I admit this drama is making me into a communist revolutionary :P as I am beginning to think that everybody above peasant class (except Yi Nok who doesn't know who she is) should just be kicked out of the country for good and the next ruler shouldn't be nutty King, CH or some other noble but some sort of a peasant collective :P
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Date: 2008-02-19 06:26 pm (UTC)But it's not as big! I mean, the sword is important and all, but nowhere near the importance of someone's own life. Never. IMO.
I don't think GD intended to die - he was hoping to get out of it and he DIDN'T die.
rather loathe Yongmun and Madam Noh and think they aren't any better than the nutty King.
I agree with this entirely - and I'll probably will end up being disillusioned with the Prince if he doesn't end this. I think he is on the way but I could be getting wrong messages. This is what makes me worry so much, you see. :D I'll love him to bits if he finds his way but what if not!!!
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Date: 2008-02-19 06:32 pm (UTC)Really? Not initially, certainly, when he was looking for culprits in the theft. But after he went to his father, the Minister and made the agreement with him to basically hand over the sword and be killed by his men, and after he made that explicit bargain with Prince (where he agreed he will have to die, OMG his face), he knew he was going to, and he accepted it. He didn't run (except to keep Yi Nok far away and safe) and he drew them to him. And he let go of the sword on purpose so they would clearly shoot him (that's what they were even saying).
I think that is why I could never truly love CH no matter what. He told GD he would have to die in order for the men to be freed. He wasn't going to face up to things himself but have an innocent guy take blame on himself and agree to get killed. Just because GD survived through a drama-miracle doesn't make it any better on CH's part or any less desperate on GD, as nobody involved thought he would.
But yeah, YMMV.
HDG is still slightly too teddy-bear-puppy-fat for me so I look at it differently. I like him to bits but..
LOL.
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Date: 2008-02-19 06:41 pm (UTC)Ok, I'll give him some credit. :D
I think that is why I could never truly love CH no matter what. He told GD he would have to die in order for the men to be freed. He wasn't going to face up to things himself but have an innocent guy take blame on himself and agree to get killed.
You see, I understand CH's position here. He doesn't view himself as anything or doesn't want anything for himself (not at least until YN appears), he is all about the idea of revenge. He can give his life but he is responsible for other people, for his mother's last wish who died to save him, blah blah blah. That sword is for him like a banner for Soviet soldier in the WW2 (remember - die yorself but save the banner? I could never get it but!) and is more important to him than his life. And anyways, he thinks he is a dead man already, some more blah blah blah.
But yep- CH need to shake up and see the world differently, not just his revenge and his "responsibilities"
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Date: 2008-02-19 09:00 pm (UTC)Yup. But CH is younger than GD so it makes sense why it's taking him some time to find his path. But there is hope for him to grow and learn. I hope...
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Date: 2008-02-19 06:14 am (UTC)no subject
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