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I have finished Que Sera Sera which remained great to the end.





However, I have a confession: by the end of this the only character I ended up emotionally caring for was the Icy Rich Guy (Joon Hyuk). I hope he is happy living in America and found a sane and warm girl to date. Tae Joo was complex and very interesting (and Eric Mun was incredible) but I couldn't muster too much sympathy for him as all that misery was of his own making. He was in hell but he placed himself there. I did find him the most interesting and fascinating one though. QSS was all about his steep learning curve, wasn't it? Like an alien learning human emotions.

Hye Lin I never warmed up to and Eun Soo? I liked her a lot, even if I wanted her to try harder in her marriage. She was the true innocent in this (Though I think part of the reason I liked her but never loved her is because she is so different from 'my' heroine type, i.e. a heroine who I can identify with. Those heroines are ones like Yu Rin, Sujini, Yi Nok, Chae Gyung: loud, hyper, cheerful extraverts).

But they were all incredibly fascinating and complicated, and yeah, broke my heart repeatedly during the last two eps.

The scenes that stick with me are:

a. when Eun Soo is in pain, collapsed on the floor and Tae Joo tries to help her only to be pushed away. And then Joon Hyk arrives and takes her away and we have a long tracking shot of Tae Joo standing there, being left behind, hands useless at his sides.

b. The scene after ES lost the baby. JH's pain and repentance and just...seriously, he ended being the only character I truly sympathized with.

c. Ohhhhh, the ELEVATOR SCENE. When Tae Joo loses it and everything he's held in and tried to suppress can't be suppressed any more and he runs to her and clutches her and begs her to run away with him and she tells him she never wants to see him again? And then she gets into the elevator and collapses and he is outside, clawing at the door and collapsing and sobbing her name? Thank you for using my heart as a pincushion, show.

d. When he throws his badge and walks away. I love that he gave it all up because he was suffocating, because it wasn't 'his' not to get ES back.

e. When he tells ES that she was his 'first.' OMG.

f. The ending. I died of glee. Died. So hopeful.

Elevator scene:













Ending:



Date: 2008-02-17 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelajewell.livejournal.com
I really REALLY loved the ending. It did an amazing job of reinforcing the idea of que sera sera: it doesn't 'end' exactly, but instead simply continues on. I love that they're given a second chance; an opportunity to try again and not make the same mistakes over and over. 'Cause REALLY... what are the chances they could screw it up so badly a second time, lol?! I just love the hopeful, relieved, everything's-going-to-be-okay, way they portrayed that final scene. We don't know for sure, of course, but we can hope.

In the end, it's nice to know it wasn't all torment, heartache, and betrayal... they all evolved as characters and it made them stronger and (arguably) better. Hopefully, now, they can all find their own measure of happiness. Of course, I'm an optimist. Even if they did bring all that angst and misery on themselves... everyone deserves a happy ending. I'm still waiting for a Romeo and Juliet movie that will show them faking their deaths, abandoning their families, and escaping together, alive and well. ^_^

Date: 2008-02-18 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Yup, the ending, with their smiles and the happiness? ajdsjfdhfhf

Date: 2008-02-17 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
the Icy Rich Guy (Joon Hyuk). I hope he is happy living in America

I have heard that the character became very popular and that the actor playing him (didn't he play the terrible boyfriend in Kim Sam Soon?) did a great job at depicting him.

I'll may be should give this another chance.. :)

Date: 2008-02-18 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
He really was excellent, the one character I ended up truly loving. I was actually rooting for him and Heroine, and if you know me, you know how freakishly rare that is.

I don't know if you'll like the drama though, I honestly don't.

Date: 2008-02-17 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
The thing about this drama was the characters were the cause of their own issues. They were all adults, but they let their childness and selfishness get in the way of other things.


Tae Joo is the cause of his own (man!)pain. The first time he left Eun Soo for Hye Lin, was because he selfishly wanted the things HL could give him. The second time, yes it may have been partly to help poor Ji Soo, but. . . he also did it because he wanted the money and power that comes with marrying a rich girl. So, I often got upset with TJ, because he didn't want ES to marry, but he was willing to have a friendly, almost romantic relationship with HL.


Hye Lin I do understand why she did the whole 'hiring boyfriends' thing, but I started to dislike her when she begged her dad to get TS for her. To me, that's selfish love. And, you know how much I hate selfish love. Still, she never entered my 'hate list', because she did try to maintain a good relationship with ES and all that. Plus, she really did care about TJ - even if it was mostly selfish. At the end, I was glad that she grew and let him go.


Joon Hyuk was really the guy that kind of got pulled around, wasn't he? There is no doubt it my mind that he loved ES. He wanted to make it work, but he let jealously get the better of him. I actually think that if he had slowed things down (they did rush into the marriage), he could have won ES over in the end. She wanted to let him win her over. As [livejournal.com profile] alexandral said, I like to think he found a warm and caring girl in America.


Eun Soo was way too young and naive to be involved in all of these things. I believe she was meant to be about 22, if not younger. And, she had never been in love. . . so it must have been very tring for her. I felt bad for her, because half the time she didn't seem to know what to do. She fell for TJ fast, and then he leaves, and comes back only to treat her badly. And there's JH. . . and he's kind and cute and respectful toward her and her family. So, of course she'll go to him. Only - TJ comes back with an 'I love you', only to leave again. And JH is right there, being all lovely and forgiving. But, he's jealous and rushing, so ES just has no idea what to do. Because, TJ is always right there and . . . I don't blame her for being confused. I wish she had tried harder in her marriage, but I applaud her for never giving in to TJ during the marriage and for being willing to head to America with JH. To bad that was when he decided to let her go.




You're right - this is a happier, less screwed up, verison of WHiB. I really liked the 2 years later end, with TJ, HL, and JH getting together for drinks. I loved that there was no anger there, just gentle teasing, honesty, and maybe just a little regret. But, no anger.


BTW: What ever happened that that boy/girl that was stalking Ji Soo? They just dropped that storyline after three episodes. And was I the only one that loved the fact that TJ's co-worker/friend became BFFs with Ji Soo? That was cute. Loved Ji Soo and her brother/siser relationships with TJ and his friend.

Date: 2008-02-18 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
You're right - this is a happier, less screwed up, verison of WHiB. I really liked the 2 years later end, with TJ, HL, and JH getting together for drinks. I loved that there was no anger there, just gentle teasing, honesty, and maybe just a little regret. But, no anger.

I liked it too. They moved on and developed a possibility of happiness (they were, after all, much less screwed up than people in Bali).

Re: little boy. You are right. I forgot but now that you reminded me. What was with that?

Date: 2008-02-18 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
The people in Bali all neede a doctor. None of them should have been actively pursuing romantic relationships. Screwed up is not the word, they were all worse than screwed up. And yet. . . I loved the leads.




Re:little boy. You are right. I forgot but now that you reminded me. What was with that?


My guess is they were going to do something with it. Give Ji Soo a friend, little romance. But, decided against it and decided to focus on the main plot instead. Still, it was so strange that the kid was there one episode and then just dropped. Maybe it wasn't working for the viewers? Maybe we were meant to think the kid got scared after Ji Soo's mini attack and decided to stop the semi-stalking? I don't know.

Date: 2008-02-19 04:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
The people in Bali all neede a doctor.

Jae-Min by himself could have kept a batallion of shrinks occupied. I felt awful for him. I don't think I've ever seen an abusive parent to a hero in a kdrama before (I mean, emotionally abusive, yes, but physically, nope). I also felt awful because for him being with Soo-Jung could have been a ticket to happiness and stability but of course because of his psycho family just ended up spiralling him out of control entirely. But I guess that is why I liked the story so. In RL it would be awful to be so needed, to be basically a person sole connection to sanity, but in fiction...yay!

I didn't care for SJS's character but all he needed wasn't even therapy but getting away from the rest of them :)

Date: 2008-02-19 10:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
Jae-Min's parents screwed him put so badly. He could have had employ a whole army of shrinks and still have died screwed up. I think if he had been able/brave enough to run away with Soo-Jung, then he could have been really happy and healthy. He was only happy and normal around her. I agree with you - in the real world you run away from men like JM. In kdrama world, you hold tightenly to him.



SJS's character, at the started, needed to get away from JM and whats-her-face and their boring love triangle. After that, he did need a shrink to help with his emotionlessness.

Date: 2008-02-20 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I think if he had been able/brave enough to run away with Soo-Jung, then he could have been really happy and healthy

True. of course, twice when he expressed dissent, his father not only beat him but threatened to go after Ha Ji Won, so to add that very very real threat to HJW to the probably unreasoned terror he has with his Dad, I can see why he didn't. Of course, by the time he walked out it was too late. AARGH.

he did need a shrink to help with his emotionlessness.


LOL. I wonder if SJS was on tranquilizers during the shooting, seriously.

Date: 2008-02-20 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
his father not only beat him but threatened to go after Ha Ji Won, so to add that very very real threat to HJW to the probably unreasoned terror he has with his Dad, I can see why he didn't.



That's true. But, I still wanted them to run away together. (It's the romantic in me.) But, the whole reason he pushed her away in the first place was because his crazy dad threatened to kill her. If I really stop and think about it, I so do not get their hate for people poorer than them. It's poor/middle class people that make rich people their money.



I wonder if SJS was on tranquilizers during the shooting, seriously.


LOL!! Seriously. I've seen him in three other dramas, and he was no where near as emotionless as he is in WhiB. He's sleep walking through the role. When JM's bitchy mom was showing whats-her-face the big 'affair' photos - SJS's character was just staring blankly ahead - no emotion on his face. He was either on tranquilizers or asleep or a robot throughout the making of this drama. (Side note: If there is a SJS robot out there, I want it.)

Date: 2008-02-20 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
But, the whole reason he pushed her away in the first place was because his crazy dad threatened to kill her.

And even scarier thing is he was totally capable of carrying it out (he did send the goons after her after JM walked out). Yikes. Seriously, I am totally impressed JM had a capacity for love (however dysfunctional) growing up with such a bunch of monsters.

I still wanted them to run away together. (It's the romantic in me.)

Oh, me too. I would love to read/watch an AU where they run away and she has a little hotel and they live happily ever after and he gets more normal and she gets more secure, but they never have any kids.

Side note: If there is a SJS robot out there, I want it

Heeeeee. I really liked him in MISA (only other drama I saw him in) and he was much more animated. maybe he got too much sun in Bali?

Date: 2008-02-20 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
And even scarier thing is he was totally capable of carrying it out (he did send the goons after her after JM walked out). Yikes.


And he looks like such a kind grandpa figure too. Really, all the parents were crazy abusive freaks in WhiB. I mean, Young-joo's mom beat Soo-jung's head against a desk! And, she had to have known that Young-joo wasn't in love with JM. It's all about pride and money with those parents.



I almost want to watch a nice AU that lets SJ and JM go back to their little hotel in Bali or some other lovely place. The drama ending was what it should have been, but still. . .



I really liked him in MISA (only other drama I saw him in) and he was much more animated. maybe he got too much sun in Bali?


He was awesome in MISA. Very animated, not sleep walking at all. I think, with Bali, it was just his character? Or maybe he didn't like the role and figured: "Ah, screw it. I get paid either way."



I also saw him in Thousand Years of Love with Sung Yu Ri. It's the drama he did right before Bali, which was right before MISA. And, this was Yu Ri's third drama. I don't know if it did well, but it has its moments of cute. SJS is very animated here - he gets all 'korean drama jealous', which is nice. And, you see flashes of how good an actress SYR can be.

Date: 2008-02-20 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Really, all the parents were crazy abusive freaks in WhiB

They seriously had to form a club. Ugh.

she had to have known that Young-joo wasn't in love with JM. It's all about pride and money with those parents.


Exactly. Of course, YJ is probably well on the way to becoming future abusive parent herself. She was truly awful. The way she treated SJ? Especially when she tag-teamed with JM's Mom? Yikes. Of course, it did lead to one of my fave scenes (Jae-Min offering SJ money so she'd quit working) but ugh.

I almost want to watch a nice AU that lets SJ and JM go back to their little hotel in Bali or some other lovely place. The drama ending was what it should have been, but still. . .

Though I don't think they would ever be able to afford Jae Min's therapy bill on a small hotel keeper's income. The ending really made so much sense and couldn't have ended any other way (happy ending just wouldn't have worked with it) but I was spoiled for it and still ended up wandering in a depressive daze.

He was awesome in MISA. Very animated, not sleep walking at all.

I have yet to finish MISA, much as I love it, because it's making me so depressed (though I am thoroughly spoiled, so that helps) but it is excellent.

Maybe I should watch 1000 years.

Date: 2008-02-20 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
YJ is probably well on the way to becoming future abusive parent herself. She was truly awful. The way she treated SJ? Especially when she tag-teamed with JM's Mom?


YJ is so going to be an abusive parent. I hope her kids fight back. She treated SJ like an animal. When she dropped the phone into the water, for no reason? I mean, for all she knew YJ was making plans to meet with her roomate or brother or a new boyfriend. It might not have been anyone YJ knew. YJ was a bitch, I'm sorry. But, from the word 'go', she was a selfish bitch - to everyone. And, she was even worse when JM's Mom was around, I agree.



JM's Mom was awful to SJ too. When she started to beat her in the apartment, just because SJ had come to visit? WTH, lady. Your son is 27 years old, if he wants to invite a co-worker over, it's none of your business.



Though I don't think they would ever be able to afford Jae Min's therapy bill on a small hotel keeper's income. The ending really made so much sense and couldn't have ended any other way (happy ending just wouldn't have worked with it) but I was spoiled for it and still ended up wandering in a depressive daze.



No. And somehow, I think if they would have had kids, JM would either be the world's best dad or just repeat the cycle. I still want to write a little something, though.



I have yet to finish MISA, much as I love it, because it's making me so depressed (though I am thoroughly spoiled, so that helps) but it is excellent.

Maybe I should watch 1000 years.




MISA is so sad, simply because you know from the start that it won't end well. It's an excellent drama, and I am looking forward to SJS's new project.


1000 years is cute, a bit confusing at times, but a cute drama. You should watch it when you have time.

Date: 2008-02-20 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
When she dropped the phone into the water, for no reason?

UGH. Seriously, it was such a 'world centers on me' attitude. As if the only people SJ knows are the two guys YJ is slavering over (and she never paid the slightest attention to Jae-Min until she saw how uninterested he was and then it became an ego thing. Ugh).

When she started to beat her in the apartment, just because SJ had come to visit? WTH, lady. Your son is 27 years old, if he wants to invite a co-worker over, it's none of your business.

That family seems to solve everything with violence (which part of why Bali ended up the way it did: Jae-Min wasn't exactly taught to talk out his problems). But yeah, time to let go of the leading strings when the kid is in his late 20s. I do love it that JM is so direct in telling his mother that he loves SJ (and how in character that he first yells it to his Mom, with SJ the observer, as opposed to a proper confession). And the thing is, she is not a good parent. She doesn't want for him what's best for him or what he wants, but what she thinks he deserves as her son.

think if they would have had kids, JM would either be the world's best dad or just repeat the cycle

Yeah, he'd either spoil them rotten, like he tried with SJ or buy a set of golfclubs. He did seem to be very awesome with SJ and sort of like putty in her hands but then at the end...He was driven over the edge but clearly in order to act the way he did, capacity for violence had to be there.

I'd like to imagine that if he tried, SJ would nip it in the bud, but who knows. He's had no healthy role models at all and no relationships with love whatsoever until SJ. Seriiously, no kids is best for those two. Not like SJ is super-stable as is.

I still want to write a little something, though.


Please. *begs shamelessly*

I am looking forward to SJS's new project.

It keeps getting postponed which is driving me up the wall. The plot sounded so cool, too.

Date: 2008-02-20 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
As if the only people SJ knows are the two guys YJ is slavering over (and she never paid the slightest attention to Jae-Min until she saw how uninterested he was and then it became an ego thing. Ugh).


Right? For all YJ knew, SJ could have been very popular, with lots of friends and possible boyfriends. It's none of YJ's business who calls SJ. At the start, it seemed like YJ was perfectly fine if JM did whatever he wanted. They weren't in love, just dating - mostly because of their families. But, the moment JM shows interest in SJ, she gets all interested. She wanted both guys, mostly due to the fact that she couldn't stay a poor girl having their love. Ugh.



I do love it that JM is so direct in telling his mother that he loves SJ (and how in character that he first yells it to his Mom, with SJ the observer, as opposed to a proper confession). And the thing is, she is not a good parent. She doesn't want for him what's best for him or what he wants, but what she thinks he deserves as her son.


Yup. I liked that SJ was direct with his mother. JM really reminded me of
an older, more screwed up Domyoji. Anyway, you are right - it was what JM's Mom thought he should want, not what he actually wanted.



Yeah, he'd either spoil them rotten, like he tried with SJ or buy a set of golfclubs. He did seem to be very awesome with SJ and sort of like putty in her hands but then at the end...He was driven over the edge but clearly in order to act the way he did, capacity for violence had to be there.

I'd like to imagine that if he tried, SJ would nip it in the bud, but who knows. He's had no healthy role models at all and no relationships with love whatsoever until SJ. Seriiously, no kids is best for those two. Not like SJ is super-stable as is.




And, he was so happy when he was buying her things, wasn't he? But, the violence was always there. He did grow up in a house that solved everything with violence, so he decided to solve h is problem - SJ apparently 'leaving him' - by violence.


Throughout the last fifteen minutes of the drama, you could just tell he had lost it. He must have been thinking that SJ had used him, that he had loved her and that she hadn't loved him. So, he snapped. But. . . the second he did it - it was like he got his mind back. Those last moments between JM and SJ get me every time.



Please. *begs shamelessly*


Mmm. . .maybe I should write something.




It keeps getting postponed which is driving me up the wall. The plot sounded so cool, too.

It's been postponed for what, a year? And, it seems like he is costing them a lot of money. The secondary male lead even dropped out. I hear it will be out in April, but who knows? It sounds really good, though, I agree.

Date: 2008-02-20 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
the moment JM shows interest in SJ, she gets all interested. She wanted both guys, mostly due to the fact that she couldn't stay a poor girl having their love

Exactly. I really loved the direct way JM (who is a pretty direct guy which is a huge problem in that devious environment, you are right, he is very much like an older, more screwed-up Domyouji) tells her off every time. Like when she shows up uninvited to stay the night so he leaves. Or when he won't let her touch him after marriage.

Throughout the last fifteen minutes of the drama, you could just tell he had lost it. He must have been thinking that SJ had used him, that he had loved her and that she hadn't loved him. So, he snapped. But. . . the second he did it - it was like he got his mind back. Those last moments between JM and SJ get me every time.

Oh yes. He clearly thought he loved her so much and gave up everything for her while she's been lying the whole time. And he watches her be seemingly happy with SJS and yeah...he does look like a mad person. Drives me insane that he doesn't overhear her tell SJS that she wants to leave him and go back to JM. Argh.

Of course, he probably wouldn't have snapped so badly if his family didn't steadily drive him more and more insane and off the edge.

But you are right, as soon as he shoots, even before she says saranghae, he snaps out of it and the horror on his face and the way his hands and...argh. OK, I am going to start crying or something. And she finally finally tells him she loves him but it's such a circumstance. OMG.

he was so happy when he was buying her things, wasn't he?

The thing with the phone was so adorable. And he cooked for her! Heee.

maybe I should write something.

Please? *puppy eyes*

And yes, Cain and Abel sounds so awesome. I seriously hope they film it.

Date: 2008-02-21 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
I liked that JM baiscally told YJ to go play in a ditch when ever she came near him. IW did the same after a while, which was great. Really, YJ could have/should have disappeared after, like, episode four. No one was interested in her anymore. She was just there to cause drama for poor SJ and JM.


Like when she shows up uninvited to stay the night so he leaves. Or when he won't let her touch him after marriage.

Yes, I liked that. I do believe (unless I'm forgetting something) that once he met SJ, JM didn't even touch YJ (romantically speaking). Though, I'm a bit fuzzy - did they ever have sex after the marriage, even on the honeymoon? There was one bit, after SJ appears to be with IW, when JM opens the bedroom door to see YJ in bed, and she turns to look at him, before it fades to black. Or am I making that up?



Oh yes. He clearly thought he loved her so much and gave up everything for her while she's been lying the whole time. And he watches her be seemingly happy with SJS


But, the thing was - SJ clearly loved him. If his dad hadn't threatened to kill her, if they had had a chance to talk post-their first time, I think she would have told him. She was ready to, and that was when he began pushing her away - to keep her safe. But, neither could know those things.



Drives me insane that he doesn't overhear her tell SJS that she wants to leave him and go back to JM. Argh.


Something that drives me crazy is, at the airport, SJ is clearly looking around for JM. But, of course he's not there. So, she goes with IW.

And, I think if JM was in the room, he wouldn't have heard SJ - he was too gone at that moment. It wasn't until he hurt her that he knew what he was doing.



as soon as he shoots, even before she says saranghae, he snaps out of it and the horror on his face and the way his hands and...argh.

His expression - like, he can't believe, can't comprehand, what he's done. But, he knows it's over. He knows he's killed the only person he ever loved, the only person that ever cared for him. And, his hands - agh, it gets me every time.


And then, she says "Saranghae", and he - Oh!


And she finally finally tells him she loves him but it's such a circumstance.


And, she's wanted to tell him for so long, and he's wanted to hear it for even longer. When she says it, I love the expression that just comes to his face. Perfect.



The thing with the phone was so adorable. And he cooked for her!


Those scenes were adorkable. You get to see that JM and SJ could be happy together, if there hadn't been family and money and pride in the way. I loved that he didn't even know how to cut food properly - cute.





Alright - I'll write something.




I think Cain and Abel began filming late last month.

Date: 2008-02-21 04:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I liked that JM baiscally told YJ to go play in a ditch when ever she came near him.

I loved that. I don't remember re:sex after marriage. I thought not, but I am a bit fuzzy because I've watched it long ago. Time for a rewatch.

SJ clearly loved him. If his dad hadn't threatened to kill her, if they had had a chance to talk post-their first time, I think she would have told him. She was ready to, and that was when he began pushing her away - to keep her safe

True. She really was ready to tell him then. After all, she let go of the last of her pride. And then she ran after him repeatedly. ARGH. ARGH. I wonder what would have happened if Jae-Min just explained to her they can't be together because his father is a psycho and threatened her life. I don't think he was capable of rational thought at that point though.

It wasn't until he hurt her that he knew what he was doing.

You are right. And then he snaps out of instantaneously but it's too late. I know people went insane over the ending but to me it so made sense: I couldn't see it going differently.

he can't believe, can't comprehand, what he's done. But, he knows it's over. He knows he's killed the only person he ever loved, the only person that ever cared for him. And, his hands - agh, it gets me every time.

Yes. JIS is very expressive, isn't he? I love that it's like he literally doesn't know what to do with his hands. And it's like he is in so much pain and loss that it's almost on an animal level because he can't be fully conscious and bear it any more, if it makes any sense.

And, she's wanted to tell him for so long, and he's wanted to hear it for even longer. When she says it, I love the expression that just comes to his face. Perfect.

Yes. And the fact that she says it then, when he's done such a thing to her, when there can possibly be no games ot gain in it for her, and she looks at him with those eyes which are just loving, not angry or anything, because it's so important for her to get it out before she dies, it's just...

And I love how it makes it both infinitely better (she did love him, that proves it beyond doubt) and infinitely worse (because he's not only killed only person he loved but only person who loved him, and he was so wrong). I think he would have killed himself afterwards no matter what, once she was dead, but I wonder if it made it better or worse for him.

I loved that he didn't even know how to cut food properly - cute.


And had that dorky apron on!

Alright - I'll write something.

Yay!!!!! And also yay about C&A filming.

Date: 2008-02-21 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
I know people went insane over the ending but to me it so made sense: I couldn't see it going differently.


Same here. The ending ripped my heart out and stomped all over it, but - it was the perfect ending for the show. It was the type of show that couldn't have a happy ending. And, I think if it had had another "sad" ending, I would have been disappointed. Like, if SJ and IW had gone off and lived together, while JM had lived in regret - that would have sucked. The double murder/sucide was best.



JIS is very expressive, isn't he?

So expressive. He does raw emotions so well. You know an actor is talented when they look. . . real and a little gross when they cry - and he can do that. Why doesn't he act more? I want him in a new drama, like now.


I love that it's like he literally doesn't know what to do with his hands. And it's like he is in so much pain and loss that it's almost on an animal level because he can't be fully conscious and bear it any more, if it makes any sense.


Perfect sense. That scene is just perfectly played out. He just has no idea what to do, but he wants, needs to do something, so he's moving his hands around, trying to find something to do with them. It's like a person whose just been raped violently - they try and fix their apperance, just because they need something to do. They need to get back some control.



when he's done such a thing to her, when there can possibly be no games ot gain in it for her, and she looks at him with those eyes which are just loving, not angry or anything, because it's so important for her to get it out before she dies, it's just...


Heartbreakingly perfect. Some people were confused about why she said it then. I remember someone telling me that she wanted JM to feel better. But, that wasn't it. I'm sure she did want him to not be upset, but she said those words because she loved him and she wanted him to know that before she died. She had wanted to tell him for so long, so she finally did.



I think he would have killed himself afterwards no matter what, once she was dead, but I wonder if it made it better or worse for him.


I think it could have made it worse. If he had gone on believeing that he was used, at least he could think that her death was what she had coming. But, knowing he killed the only person that loved him for him? That's no good.




Oh, that apron was dorkyJM!love.

Date: 2008-02-22 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Why doesn't he act more? I want him in a new drama, like now.


Do you know if his Shoot for the Stars was any good? I have the drama but know next to nothing about it.

But, knowing he killed the only person that loved him for him? That's no good.


True. But at least I suppose he knows she loved him. it's such a lady or the tiger dilemma, I guess.

I remember someone telling me that she wanted JM to feel better. But, that wasn't it. I'm sure she did want him to not be upset, but she said those words because she loved him and she wanted him to know that before she died. She had wanted to tell him for so long, so she finally did.


Agreed. I mean, how would it make him feel better, anyway? I really think it was because it was the most important thing in her life to be able to say before she died. I loved that she was able to do that, even if he shot her (God, they were SO dysfunctional).

Like, if SJ and IW had gone off and lived together, while JM had lived in regret - that would have sucked. The double murder/sucide was best.


Yes. I couldn't see a happy ending at all. Not only were they all too damaged, the circumstances were too brutal. Doesn't stop me for dreaming of happy AUs, but honestly, once JM's awful family got involved, that was it.

It's so creepy to me, that they don't even seem to notice or care that he is completely self-destructing. As long as they get what they want. it's not as if they see him as a person they want to hurt, they don't see him as a person at all. He literally has no one outside of SJ.

Date: 2008-02-22 04:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
Do you know if his Shoot for the Stars was any good?


Mm, no idea. Sounds like it would have a happy ending though.


It's so creepy to me, that they don't even seem to notice or care that he is completely self-destructing. As long as they get what they want. it's not as if they see him as a person they want to hurt, they don't see him as a person at all. He literally has no one outside of SJ.


I know, right? JM is having a mental break down and self-destructing, and his family doesn't care. They just care that he stays away from SJ, who was the only person that even cared what happened to him.

Date: 2008-02-22 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Mm, no idea. Sounds like it would have a happy ending though.


It does.

will check it out asap

Date: 2008-02-23 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
Cool. Let me know how it is. Meanwhile - am making a HDG vid!

Date: 2008-02-23 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
Just finished video. Will post on journal later.

Date: 2008-02-24 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
Let me know what you think.

Date: 2008-02-24 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Just watched it and it's incredibly appropriate and gorgeous!

Date: 2008-02-24 03:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walkwithheroes.livejournal.com
Oh, thanks! I just had to show all their different levels. I kind of want to make another one now. Off to find a song. . .

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