Question...

[dangermousie]

So, since I am catching up on my American shows.

Bones, Y/N? I have never seen any.

You know what I like.

Comments

[twirls.livejournal.com]

Y. There have been a few ups and downs, but it's still a good enough season that I'd say, yes, definitely catch up.

[meganbmoore.livejournal.com]

Yes.

If you find yourself annoyed the firs few eps, skip to the Christmas ep, and then The Girl in the Garden.

You should be hooked from there on out.

[arathesane.livejournal.com]

I've never really been able get into to it but I think you would like it. I don't mean that as a slam against you at all, see my mom likes it a lot, and I watch with her sometimes, it's greatly improved since it began and it has that kind of OTP thing going on with the leads that I think you would appreciate more than me. I get annoyed with that a lot, I really am not that much of a shipper. I care about the relationships as a whole, and I don't even really believe in the whole concept of OTP. so a show that has the whole "will they or won't they thing" as a huge part of its dynamic generally bugs me.

DB is great in the role, btw, he is so much more loose than he ever was in Angel or BTVS and I loved him in both of those series but it's nice to seem him in a non-brooding role.

[thelana.livejournal.com]

Well, it is a procedural. So that could be boring to you. But it is relatively character driven procedural, Bones past issues, Boothe's issues about having been a sniper, the dating side story about two supporting characters and David B. HOT as Boothe and very charming.

And the show is shamelessly in favor of the main couple even if they can't get them together for now. You got the daring dramatic recue where she falls in his arms afterwards because she is so traumatized and he holds her. You got the whole having to pretend to be a couple and wearing sexy clothes to do and he has to box and it's all hot and awesome. And you got the whole "person from the outside ship them and think they are perfect together and even blackmail them into kissing". *For a procedural* the relationship moves fast. But it might still be slow for you.

I say try a few episodes and see if you fall hard for Boothe and his hero complex. If you do, that might make it worth watching for you.

Still, if you are looking for something even more relationship based, I still reccomend La Femme Nikita. Yes, even despite the name :) And if the guy doesn't seem that hot to you at first, believe he makes it up with ridiculous backstory angst. The most fucked up weird romantic episode is where she runs away from the evil spy/terrorist company she is working for. He goes after her. They make love. They decide they have to fake that she was captured and they agree that he has to beat the shit out of her so the cover story will be believable. Or the one where they are on assignment somewhere and have to pose as a porn star couple and it's all messed up and angsty? Did I mention GRAPHIC (at least for normal tv standards) love scenes? Mvid. And their whole relationship is about how he can never acknowledge how he feels at her (and frequently has to trick HER over it) because it will make them vulnerable if the people they are working for knew about them.

[koalathebear.livejournal.com]

It's probably my favourite American television show but I know that many people don't like it for a variety of reasons. I like the leads and I like the secondary characters :)

[thelana.livejournal.com]

Wait even better, kiss/love scene compilation. I was never a huge fan of the series, but I always thought that as a couple they were ... impressive. At least compared to the couples I'm used to on a lot of US tv (well UC tv that isn't soap operas). Where you might have to wait 9 seasons for a kiss and a snuggle. Or be happy if you get like two love scenes in all of the show. Compared to that this is a feast.

[grace-om.livejournal.com]

I had read one of the books and liked it, so I tried the show...couldn't make it through one episode :-/ Despite the fact that I do like David Boreanaz and his character was good. Mostly the implausible writing, I guess, put me off.

But, that's me...

[plazmah.livejournal.com]

YYYYYYYYY! *plugs her fav show like crazy*

[crumpeteer.livejournal.com]

I have to say that Booth/Bones is the BEST OTP I've ever run into.

[bodea.livejournal.com]

Oh Yes! The OTP rules. Hell Hodgins and Angela rock as well!

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

I am so checking this out.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Heh. Best macro ever. I am getting first ep ASAP

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Ooooh, is your icon from that?

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Implausible doesn't bug me (I watch kdramas) so we'll see...

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

I'll check it out. If for nothing else than for hunky DB

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Despite the cheeeeesy hair, I think I am sold.

It was the vids, but I think even before that.

You had me at They decide they have to fake that she was captured and they agree that he has to beat the shit out of her so the cover story will be believable.

I am about to netflix this.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Seeee, I am a mad shipper and if ship works, I'll overlook anything (see Roswell and Moonlight). So we shall see.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

I am getting it right now :)

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Thanks! will def try!

[arathesane.livejournal.com]

yeah I'm not like that at all! with the exception of stuff like kdramas and jdramas where that's what the show is entirely built around, it bugs me when so much of a series is taken up by one OTP! for example I hated Logan/Veronica by the middle of S2 so I really hated how much of the focus of that series became about them or about who V was dating. I cared much more about the overarching mystery whether it was when they were doing season long arcs,mini-arcs or the stand alone episodes in the last part of the final season.

I was at my mom's earlier and we watched an old Bones that aired tonight- it was the first season's Christmas episode(I think anyway, I'm pretty sure it was the first season but I am not positive) and Booth and Brennan do really have good chemistry and I do like a lot of the characters but aside from the whole focus on the leads possible romance thing, I just find it lacking as a procedural. I mean my favorite shows include The Wire, Homicide: Life on the Street, DaVinci's Inquest, early NYPD Blue and back in the day - Hill Street Blues. this is also partly why, though it is probably my new favorite show, that I still often find Life a little disappointing. overall, I really like the show and I love Damian Lewis as Crews but it annoys how often they get basic police procedure wrong!

though it has gotten better, Bones as a crime based procedural is often just poorly written from that criminal investigation side to me. now it does, from what I have gathered from the random episodes I've seen, have good character development. but the procedural stuff on it bugs me, and as an old anthro major I know a lot of the stuff that Brennan does as a forensic anthropologist is just not how it is done in real life. but most fans of it, aren't fans of it for the procedural aspect of it, and I imagine that part wouldn't be an issue for you.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Oh, that makes sense. I don't like procedurals much as a genre, so I think I won't care if it's screwed up.

[thelana.livejournal.com]

LOL, the funny part is I can't even promise you that they are good. I feel like I have seen maybe only 10 episodes of the whole thing (and out of these a bunch of mindblowing Michael/Nikita ones). It's possible that I got lucky and all others suck from a relationship POV.

Worst case scenario maybe you could ask around a REAL LFN fan and ask them which ones the worthwhile shippy episodes are and watch only those :)

Hey, just covering my bases in out "OMG, we are cursed to never enjoy the same thing" thing strikes again :) Still, while the couple impressed me, I was never a dedicated fan of it (so that could be a point in favor) and a lot of times (like that episode) they really gave me this wonderful overwrought romance vibe (I mean that in the positive sense) that I think you might enjoy. Moonlight and Roswell have/had it too. It's kinda hard to explain it. It's kinda the difference between a romance being treated as a side story that sorta exists in addition to the action, romance being a commodity (like on the more soapy shows) and the romance being intentionally overwrought (I'm not even sure if I'm using this word right).

[thelana.livejournal.com]

A lot of people had/have serious issues with the science and law enforcement politics aspect of the show, but I can't possibly picture that bugging you :) Ironically the initial reaction to Bones reminded me a lot of the initial reactions too Moonlight. In the beginning before the characters really came out and started growing on the viewers it was just another procedural and one with wonky science to it. Only after a while it sort of crystalized that it is totally made by the characters and by the fact that it's in general a more character based approach. At least for a procedural.

I feel it still is/feels like a procedural but it's just a lot ... richer in the character developments. Like on a lot of shows like CSI it feels like the character interaction is purely incidental and not much thought goes into it. Yet on Bones you FEEL that the writer concern is all about the characters.

[thelana.livejournal.com]

ZOMG, Hodgins and Angela's (the quirkly looking side-OTP) first date was AMAZING. Mostly because it totally wasn't what I expected. You don't mind being spoiled, right?



Basically, a few episodes earlier they revealed that Hodgins is actually filthy rich, like millionaire rich, but nobody at his job knows about it because he doesn't want them to treat him differently. So then he finally asks Angela out and I'm like "OMG, that's when he's gonna reveal to her that he's filthy rich and he'll like shower her with diamonds and take her on a cruise and everything". And instead of taking her anywhere he takes her to a playground and they sit on the swings and talk and he pushes her on the swings and it's actually all weird to describe but so *right* in a way. Or maybe that was just because it was so the opposite of what I expected.

[tatterpunk.livejournal.com]

I think No.

Don't get me wrong, *I* like it -- but only because I laugh myself half to death on all the insider science geek/general nerd jokes. As a procedural, it's... eh. I usually guess how it all will go down halfway through.

And I don't think you'd like Booth and Brennan as a 'ship. They are incredibly slow in development, eminently practical in their dealings with each other, and are in general more of the "awww, such clueless cute!" type of 'ship rather than swoon-worthy and grandly gestured.

On the upside, I've found a new Korean drama that I'm willing to be money is your new crack. It's about a guy whose girlfriend dies, and her last wish sends him to apologize to a woman... because she accidentally gave that woman's adorable little girl HIV positive blood in a botched transfusion! And the guy is cold and repressed and, of course, all woobie about the death of the woman he loved, but meeting this family and slowly falling in love shows him how to live again!

You game?

[tatterpunk.livejournal.com]

*g* Never mind! I see that you've already seen it posted online... maybe even blogged about it? ... yes, I see that you have! Silly me.

[fivil.livejournal.com]

YES. I have to run to work like RIGHT NOW but when I come back I will ramble more and explain etc.

Though I see people have also pursuaded you to watch it, yay. I agree with Megan, some eps of S1 are poor but S2 is stronger.

[thelana.livejournal.com]

I think somebody needs to make a list of the shipiest/angstiest B&B episodes. Then she can watch only those and can then decide whether it's worth watching the others as well.

AND WHY DON'T B&B HAVE A SHIP MANIFESTO! Who do I try to blackmail into making one? Are there any good B&B communities where I could ask?

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Well, you seem to like Moonlight too.

But yeah, I'll check it out and see.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Heh. All the sciencelaw stuff on TV is dead wrong anyway.

I'll see how I like it.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

OMG, the kdrama? Thank You, right? I have it but haven't watched it.

But the whole repressed and woobie part got me hooked. I think I am moving it way up the list now!

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Heee. I like the icon!

[thelana.livejournal.com]

So, don't the interferences of Moonlight bother you yet? Like Mick's dead and evil Darla like vampire ex and Beth's sorta boyfriend Josh?

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Darla-lite hasn't popped up yet, but I know she will and I live in anticipation. Kdrama favorite trope is the lead guy being initially torn between his past, high-maintenance bitchy old love and gradual 'conversion' to the sweet new one, and as Moonlight is kdrama in American clothes, this must happen :)

Re: Josh. He is sweet and nice but:

a. what is an OTP without an OTP interferer (sweet other guy who is just not the heroine's Twu Wuv because she wants the woobie is also a kdrama thing) and
b. I'd care about his feelings but am too busy wanting Beth to ditch him for senior citizen with diatary problems :)

[fire-snake.livejournal.com]

Yes. A pretty decent show with a better dialog then Moonlight. Although sometimes you can get a truckload through the holes in their plots. There is some chemistry, but not much angst, between the main characters.
I got mildly hooked on Life. It got started only this season, so there are only 11-12 episodes out so far.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

As my obsession with Moonlight shows, I don't really need good dialogue :)

But it helps.

:)

[arathesane.livejournal.com]

yeah, since you aren't a fan of procedurals or cop shows, I would imagine that some inconsistencies in investigation procedure wouldn't bother you. with me, shows like the CSIs or now the Law and Orders(though the original recipe L&O was good back in the day, I mean it was a solid show when it began until about the 9th or 10th season I think. then it started to slide a bit, become more sensational in its story-telling and lose a bit of its realism) can be enjoyable but have often they distort or out and out change how police and criminalists really do things, and that just bugs me. I think The Wire and to a certain extent Homicide: Life on the Street and the Canadian program DaVinci's Inquest and its spin-off DaVinci's City Hall have spoiled me, for life, with police procedurals. those three shows are so realistic, especially in portraying how cops or forensic teams actually do things, that most other TV show that feature similar stores pale in comparison. but if you are just watching it more for the leads, their chemistry and some of the side ships, I think it would be pretty enjoyable. for me, I could never get into to it enough to feel compelled to watch every week, but I don't mind tuning occasionally with my mom.

[fivil.livejournal.com]

Okay, so I think you would like Bones because like people have said, amazing OTP and the show writers know it so they won't invent a random character to make sure OTP never gets together again. Well, they haven't thus far and the quality of the show is steadily improving, so I have faith on this team of writers. They know the fans, they mostly know what the fans like, they do good on the show.

I half-agree, half-disagree with tatterpunk. What she said about B/B is true -- they are slow-moving, sort of clueless, "oh just kiss already!" type of pairing. On the other what makes them enjoyable, even if they're not flirting with each other openly or flat-out together, is the character clashes that occur between her liberal, scientist view and his more conservative, intuitive, down-to-earth ones. They're both smart, but in very different ways. The way they bicker, the way they learn about each other, the way they etch together into partners, it's just an amazing lovely thing to follow.

It's procedural but so character-based and filled with odd dark comedy moments, mostly thanks to the great side characters (of scientists who work with Brennan). Really, all the characters of this show are just so great.

plazmah taught me to acknowledge the fact Bones also has its typical cheesy-ass American TV show type of moments. Occasionally Booth's character's patriotism irks me, but then I shrug and keep enjoying, and the cheesy parts were most awkward in S1, in S2 and 3, they don't really grate anymore.

Oh, and David Boreanaz is hot, but I assume you knew that already. I recently had an internet pal who's big on Buffy & Angel (the shows but also the pairing) get into Bones, she didn't like it at first but after she marathoned S1 she concluded even the characters who she didn't like at first grew on her & now she loves them. I on the other hand was not really into Angel but DB is so amazing as Booth, I am totally hot for him.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

David Boreanaz is hot, but I assume you knew that already.

LOL, yes. Huge B/A shipper once upon a time.

Booth's character's patriotism irks me,

I am American so it won't bug me :)

[tatterpunk.livejournal.com]

On the other what makes them enjoyable, even if they're not flirting with each other openly or flat-out together, is the character clashes that occur between her liberal, scientist view and his more conservative, intuitive, down-to-earth ones. They're both smart, but in very different ways. The way they bicker, the way they learn about each other, the way they etch together into partners, it's just an amazing lovely thing to follow.

Oh, no, I agree with you totally there. I just didn't think their slooooooow relationship development (which I enjoy!) would appeal to Ms. Mousie, but maybe I underestimated her since usually what we watch together are Asian dramas.

[tatterpunk.livejournal.com]

I watched the first five minutes and am IN LOVE. TOTES IN LOVE.






He wipes his shoe on a kids' PJs! I'm so sold! Because I like my fictional boyfriends to be assholes. (Only the fictional ones, though.)

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

I have first ep so I;ll see. After I mainline the kdrama goodness of Moonlight

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Heeee.

Now I must watch

[plazmah.livejournal.com]

Yes'm! I can't get enough of my Bones icons. ;D

[plazmah.livejournal.com]

Bones also has its typical cheesy-ass American TV show type of moments.

Yes! You have to embrace how utterly cheesy and ridiculous the show can be. That's why we love it! :)

[fivil.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I think as long as you go in knowing there won't be kdrama type of romance focus (just character, ship focus but not them making out several times and actually doing stuff), it should be fine. Or so I would assume anyway.