Doctor Who: glorious overload

[dangermousie]

Warning, warning, warning, WARNING.

Watching the last four episodes of Doctor Who's S3 will cause your brain to hyperventilate!

I am seriously bouncing off the walls right now.

I will have tons of meta and lots of screencaps, but for now:



Jack!!!!!!!

THE MASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So insane, so evil, so impossible not to watch, so hopelessly broken (the more I learn about Gallifrey, the less I like it. Who the FUCK makes eight year olds take the kinds of test that drive a sizeable portions of them insane?)

Derek Jacobi and John Simm!

Jack and the Doctor conversations. God, I love the two of them. I want them to travel together. Lovely, lovely Jack, willing to hit anything in sight, whichever gender and species, and so awesome. Mmmmm, I really must watch Totchwood now. But I love their conversations: the hardness and affection and connection. They are much more equals now.

Creepy creepy Lucy! Horrific and pitiable at once.

Bleakness of the villains (I gasped out loud). The thought of this being the ultimate fate of humanity...serious gasps.

The Doctor losing yet again. He was crying, holding the Master in his arms. He was willing to give up travelling to take care of him. He really is a 'Doctor,' isn't he? Wanting to make everyone better. He is so desperately lonely, so in need of 'meaning' (he says he now has someone to take care of). And the Master, refusing to regenerate and dying in his arms. OMG. The two last Time Lords are so broken.

Rose mentions all over the place!!!!! And Jack going to see her a few times when she was growing up, and the Doctor's still very active missage of her and the way he shuts down and shuts out.

The Master has got The Doctor in a CAGE. With a dog bowl. OMG. Seriously, I can only imagine the kind of fic this show gets (loved Martha doing the whole obvious s/m connotations with the name of The Master).

The Doctor freaking out when he finds out who this is and his TARDIS is taken. The desperation.

'I forgive you.' OMG. I got shivers. Shivers. After all of it, after all of it, the Doctor can say that. And how that is the one thing the Doctor wants to say and the one thing the Master is unable to bear.

Doc Tom was hot and awesome. I hope Martha hooks up with him. I loved that she left and the way she left: she's proven herself to herself (I think part of her crush on the Doctor was validation: if he liked her back, she'd be validated, but she knows she doesn't need it now) and she ha admitted to herself he will never love her, never ever open up, the way he did to Rose and even to Jack, the way the Master knows him. And she decided to leave. Which was awesome. Now she has people to care for (her family, reunited). I find it interesting that so many characters in the show are looking for someone to care for, or find their meaning in that. This is literally the Doctor's goal and dream. Martha learns it by the end. Jack doesn't go time travelling with the Doctor because he has his team to take care of. Rose was taking care of her Mum before she met the Doctor and ended up taking care of him. Mickey stays in alternaworld to take care of his grandma, etc etc etc. It all goes round.

Of course, the thing with Martha (I confess to never warming up to her, but at least I stopped disliking her) makes sense. She doesn't need the infatuation. It's not true love, so once she has proven herself, once she found her meaning, there is no point in her staying. In a way, he situation is the mirror reversal of Rose. She started out having this schoolgirl crush, she saw him as some sort of shining prince, after Smith&Jones, someone charming and effortless and amazing and perfect. And she learned slowly, and even then only a bit, that this isn't the case: he is messed up, can be cruel, will never let her in. And that's the thing, she doesn't really know him, he won't let her. So he illusions are somewhat gone, she accepts reality, she has self-worth, she leaves. While with Rose, it's the other way around. She didn't fall for him off the bat: she went along because it would be cool and adventuring, but she saw him from the start as messed up, damaged, and heck, she even saved him in the first ep. (Nine was worse at hiding things and desperate for connection, and Ten let her in because he already knew/loved her and she saved him from guilt and loneliness). No way to go but up from their start of 'Rose.' So for Rose, the prime motivator was always her love for the Doctor. She would stick around no matter what, as long as he still wanted her. But for Martha, it is not like that. She choses her family over Ten (mirror reversal to Rose) because, just like Rose, she choses the most real thing in her life. Only for Rose it's the Doctor. And for Martha, because of everything, including the (lack of) feeling of Ten himself, the most real thing is 'normal' life. I am not sure if I am explaining it well.

JACK IS THE FACE OF BOE. I am in love with this show. Makes so much sense.

Oh Jack. Getting executed all over. Eeek.

Did I mention the Doctor crying?

Because...

OK, I guess I did meta some. But more to come, I swear, my head is buzzing. But not drumming.

Comments

[svilleficrecs.livejournal.com]

Heh. It's been fun watching you go from la la la, I don't know about this season to "hating" it less to capslock glee.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

The beginning of S3 was rough but it get to be incredibly excellent.

[fire-snake.livejournal.com]

Along with the face of boe (actually, not sure I believe it, since Jack is a practical joker and he might have known about Boe from his travels, but it makes a weird sort of sense), Doctor in cage, Utopia revelations, etc, I have two scenes stuck in my head: the first is with Master and Doctor stuck on that plain with the rockets behind them, very apocalyptic and even reminiscent of the biblical images (hope I don't offend anybody), and the second of Master dying in Doctor's arms. I had a slightly different take on that scene. I agree that Doctor needs somebody to depend on him and to take care of on a basic level to validate himself. More importantly, Master was the last one in the Universe who shared his memories and childhood, his struggles and triumphs, all his early experiences. He was the last of his kind, and after him there will be no more, as far as Doctor knows. BTW, Doctor could not have hurt Master more than when he said that he forgave him, but Master took his revenge in full, when he chose to die. I found a few parallels with "Human Nature" and "Family of Blood," especially with Doctor's unique brand of forgiveness. It is universal and tailored to suit him, but necessarily those in whose judgment he sits. In the end, he is like one of gods, infinitely cruel in his kindness because he never gives what is truly deserved.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

I don't know about the Boe thing: I don't think the Doctor would have mentioned it to him, and after meeting the Doctor, his chronometer was broken so he couldn't have time travelled. But who knows...

Doctor could not have hurt Master more than when he said that he forgave him, but Master took his revenge in full, when he chose to die. I found a few parallels with "Human Nature" and "Family of Blood," especially with Doctor's unique brand of forgiveness. It is universal and tailored to suit him, but necessarily those in whose judgment he sits.

But forgiveness, the concept of forgiveness, by its very nature, is not about the person being forgiven, it's about the person doing the forgiving. It puts 'the victim' center-stage, gives him/her agency, is about the victim's reaction to the horrible act, not about the act and the actor of said act. In a way, it's a way to reorient the power balance, to take back control. But the whole point of it is that it's about the way the person choses to take control: through forgiveness as opposed to revenge, just as what differentiates a good and bad person is not their feeling of pleasure, but what he gets his pleasure from. A good person from helping old ladies across the street, and a bad person pushing said old ladies under the wheels of oncoming cars both get pleasure. It's what this pleasure is sourced in, that's important.

I wonder why the Master didn't want to be forgiven. I wonder if that made him feel inferior, made him feel that the Doctor is better than him, that he failed to really 'get' to him. They have such a twisted relationship of caretaking and dependency (somehow mutual) and need. It's sort of terrifying.

The Doctor does give what is deserved, a lot of times. Not to the Master, but then the question of what he deserves is so complicated: after all, he is insane, made insane by their bizarro society, and further messed up by the war, so how responsible is he? But yes, forgiveness in this case is as much or more about Doctor's own needs, his own crippling desire not to be lonely, than anything else Master related. The Doctor is very very powerful but not a God, even if all those people were chanting his name.

[yavannie77.livejournal.com]

Yay, you liked it! I'm so with you on so many points. (See my previous posts, where I'm being fangirlish and incoherent. Heh.)

The Face of Boe was an awesome solution - and I love the fact that this way Jack gets to see his dear Doctor (and even Rose!) several times more during the following milennia AND he gets to die with the Doctor by his side. How awesome is that? *mad fangirl squees*

And OMG, go for Torchwood already, will you! :) Jack is soooooo complex and troubled (and funny) and the series is love! (Uhh, sorry, I'm kinda hyperventilating here, too. Ahem.)

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

It was incredibly amazing.

I loved the face of Boe thing: it would also explain why Boe would want to see the Doctor.

I am getting Torchwood as we speak.

I am addicted to the Whoverse. who would have thought: I saw an old Who ep and kinda laughed at the cheapness of the sets and that was it. And now I am fixated.

[yavannie77.livejournal.com]

Hello there, fellow addict... *waves* I've gotten so addicted that I'm actually pondering about the old Doctors' stuff too. I need to find out where I can get them. Some of the movies were on TV here in Finland a few years back, but I only saw one bit of one movie. (They were on in ungodly hours of the night and I fell asleep...) I especially want to see Paul McGann's Doctor, whee!

Oh, and of Torchwood. My favourite eps were mostly in the second half of the season and there are a few eps that aren't great. But all in all, watching Jack's character grow and get "more meat to his bones" is very interesting throughout the season. Watch out for the finale, again. Captain Jack Harkness and End of Days were my faves of the season, hands down. There's so much that Jack has to, in lack of a better word, survive.

(And also, I liked the eps Out of Time, They Keep Killing Suzie and ah, well, about three other eps very much.)

Watch out for the guntraining bit... *grin*

And boy, am I glad when I finally get my hands on Torchwood S2! Apparently I was in Cardiff when they were finishing up the shoot (and I must've missed being in the same city with James Marsters by mere days, hngh!), but at that time I didn't know much about Torchwood yet. Although I did meet one of the scriptwriters of the show in London. In a party. Taught him some Finnish. He was probably too drunk to remember it the following day, though. *lol* But he was a funny guy. And I'm friends with a friend of his. :) I know, it's ridiculous, but I get such a kick out of having met a Torchwood scriptwriter. :)

(Oh, and should you later want to browse my opinions of the S1, I posted about them in August, on 18th through 24th, to be exact. Heh.)

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

That is such a neat Torchwood story! I am going to browse your Torchwood opinions prior to watching. Love spoilers :)

Re: Who. I don't think I want to see the older ones, as I saw one some time ago and didn't care for it, but agree, am so tempted.

[artic-fox.livejournal.com]

*gurgle*
I saw these episodes a very days ago too, and did the whole outpour in my LJ too. DW makes you do that.

The one shot that sticks with me from the final episodes is the Doctor crying. CRYING. The only other time we've seen him cry is when he says goodbye to Rose, and then again as John Smith. In all those situations he was losing something, or really... someone. It all comes back to the fact that he longs for companionship, but can do nothing but watch these people leave him. That is the curse of the Time Lords.

OHHHH, POOR TEN. (Seriously, he has every right to be emo during this series no matter how much people complain about him).

And great picking up about the 'caring' thing - I'd never thought of it before, but it is so true. It all ultimately comes down to caring for people - something the Doctor is now struggling to do even more so than ever.

I think Martha, in some respects, became more aware of the Doctor's faults or issues than Rose did. Nine was just so desperate for someone, but he never really opened up - that was Ten. With Rose he seemed much calmer and more carefree. Losing her bought to the forefront all that ugly nasty emotion, and Martha got a front row seat.

[artic-fox.livejournal.com]

Oh, and I think I just squeed a little when I saw your 'Nine' icon :P

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Ooooh, I hope you don't mind if I check out your LJ write-ups on this.

Yes, to see the Doctor crying is heart-breaking and amazing and awful. He just feels so...without his shields, as if his immense sadness and loneliness breaks through.

And yes, he has every right to be emo. Heck, the fact that he is functional and rescuing people etc etc is super impressive.

Losing her bought to the forefront all that ugly nasty emotion, and Martha got a front row seat.

Hmmmm. Interesting. I don't know though. She obviously knows he can be impersonal and put up walls better than Rose did, but Rose did see him do some ruthless things. I don't know. Of course, in a way, Ten Martha knows is different from Ten Rose knew, because they are different people as different experiences continue to change them. Martha's Ten is broken. But broken in a very different way than Nine was.

But yeah, he can be incredibly cold. The bit when he explains to Martha that the key is sort of like when you have a crush on someone and they don't even know you are there. Yikes. He was so attuned to Rose (heck, didn't he come out of Time Lord coma or whatever, in Christmas Invasion, when she yelled for help) but he is so studiously oblivious to Martha's feelings.

And eeeem I love my Nine icon too!

[artic-fox.livejournal.com]

LOL! Sorry, your term "Time-Coma" made me giggle. Although I can't think of a better term so we'll go with that! But yes, you're right. She spoke in his ear that she needed help, and he bounced up and killed the Xmas tree (?) with his sonic screwdriver. Seriously, of all season 2, I just ADORE The Christmas Invasion.

Losing her bought to the forefront all that ugly nasty emotion, and Martha got a front row seat.

What I meant was, although yes, Rose saw him be ruthless and tough at times, he was never really COLD towards her... (perhaps a little in Fathers Day but she messed up there). And while the Doctor was not COLD to Martha, he held her at arm's length in a way that Rose never was. He was ever concious of those walls (think of the end of Family of Blood when he pretends he does not know she loves him). It comes down to the letting people in, and in losing Rose he lost that ability and Martha (who wanted to be let in - who wouldn't?) bore the brunt of the rougher side of his personality. As you said, he was attuned to Rose, but not to Martha - he probably couldn't bear the thought of letting her in enough to 'atune' to her.

[artic-fox.livejournal.com]

Oh, and of course you are welcome to read my write up in my LJ. It is far less eloquent than yours, and was written immediately after... and late at night. I'll probably change my mind about half of what I said in time. Ha, don't you hate that?

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

I think that icon just broke my heart. Where do you get all these awesome Who icons?

Oh, the changing mind thing happens all the time. Once I discuss things (luckily for Who geekiness, both my husband and best friend like it) I end up changing my mind 17 times :P

[beck-liz.livejournal.com]

Where do you get all these awesome Who icons?

I'm not her, obviously, but if you want, you can check my userpics page. I've got... a whooooole bunch there. And for most of them, I've put the URL in the comment so for most of them you can go and see what else that person has done, icon-wise.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

One of the differences between Martha and Rose to me was that Rose was delighting in the adventure. She loved the odd and the quirky and the adrenaline as much as the Doctor. She went at it with the same gusto he did (which is a problem because unlike him, she can’t regenerate). Martha’s reaction was never the sheer giddy childlike glee. In part because the Doctor’s relationship to her was never as personal, and in a way she is always aware of the walls. She didn’t have that same sense of fun Rose did, but then neither did the Doctor. Not any more.

Seriously, of all season 2, I just ADORE The Christmas Invasion.

The Xmas Invasion is one of my favorite things. So funny and crazy and sharp. And with some amazing ruthlessness (at the end, the Doctor on the ship, no second chances). And I loved Jackie (as always) and the fact that xmas seems always evil and the newness of Ten and Rose and *becomes hyperventilating fangirl*

[artic-fox.livejournal.com]

That's true! Rose was just thrilled to escape what she saw as her mundane life, whereas Martha was a medical student - she had plans for her future - she, in turn, was probably more sensible than Rose. I think for Martha the journey was more on an intellectual level, but for Rose it was all about the adventure.

There is nothing I don't love about the Xmas invasion. It is sharp, as you say. It strikes the right balance between Rose really not knowing who this man is who says he is the Doctor - torn between trusting him because that what she always does, and curiosity keeping her with him. And I love again, the Doctor discovering who he is, and us along with him. The whole thing is basically a huge discovery of Ten, and learning to trust him as we did Nine. I mean... I was heartbroken when we lost Nine and thought I couldn't hope, but the Xmas invasion made me love Ten almost instantly. That is down to sharp and clever writing, and well... David Tennant certainly didn't hurt.

I always love the end scene when they are in the snow/ash, and the Doctor is trying to test whether Rose still wants to come with him, while Rose is still wondering if he wants her with him now he has changed. It is such a touching scene, and really started Ten/Rose off perfectly.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

That's true! Rose was just thrilled to escape what she saw as her mundane life

Rose did have a dead-end, horrid life before she met Nine. That is part of the reason I adored her so: it was truly rising above your circumstances, nowhere to fall if she was left. Martha gets to go back to a large family, middle class, rewarding career, and promising future. What did Rose have at the beginning? Nothing.

That is actually part of the reason I never warmed up to Martha: she didn't 'need' love and adventure and the Doctor the way Rose did (and of course the Doctor didn't need Martha the same way either). Martha was well-adjusted and with no huge stakes, Doctor-less, so there isn't as much too root for.

Xmas Invasion is just such an amazing episode. I remember I was so apprehensive because I absolutely loved Christopher Eccleston as Nine. A huge reason why I checked out Dr Who at all (never saw any before barring five minutes some time long ago, I was not impressed) was because I loved him so much in Elizabeth and Jude (just rewatched and posted about the latter, actually :P) and wanted to see more with him, whatever it was. And from the first moment on screen, I loved him. And then he is gone and there is this 'David Tennant' whoever he is, there instead. And yet, somehow, within the first five minutes of S2, I fell for Ten like a ton of bricks.

I love how in Xmas Invasion, Rose has to really cope with a feeling of loss and betrayal because he is the same man and yet he is not...

[artic-fox.livejournal.com]

Yes, much love for Chris Eccleston (I just watched him in Gone in 60 Seconds this afternoon playing a complete bastard). I haven't seen Jude so I won't read your write-up yet, but I am expecting it to arrive next week (I ordered the DVD a couple of weeks ago, but it was on backorder and I feel like I've been waiting FOREVER). Man, he is great in Elizabeth as Norfolk.

I think Eccleston did such a great job with Nine, that many people were worried about how the new guy would fair following him up. I admit I was familiar with Tennant before I saw him in Who (Blackpool, for one). But the Xmas invasion, or even the idea of a Christmas Special at all, really was a fun ride into getting to know Ten, and I think it successfully endeared him to most. It is not that I love him more than Nine, because Tennant and Eccleston are impossible to compare, but love them in completely different ways.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Jude is a wonderful movie and he is wonderful in it. I loved the book for years, so was a bit apprehensive about a movie version, but it was perfect. Made me want to see a comedy with him, though to balance it out :)

Elizabeth is a movie I find somewhat problematic (historically, it drives me up the wall) but he was brilliant in it. I had no idea who he was, but I was 'OMG, who the guy playing Norfolk?' I loved the intensity.

I admit the Doctor Who fixation has sort of reinvigorated CE love. I ended up ordering Our Friends in the North series. Let's see how it is.

I have never seen Tennant in anything before Who and was a bit apprehensive. I mean, I loved Nine so much, and I looked at some pics of Tennant and wasn't imprssed (he is incredibly charismatic but not classically good-looking, obviously). I was won over ASAP though. Now I want to watch everything he's ever been in. Am waiting for Blackpool to arrive.

[artic-fox.livejournal.com]

I loved Elizabeth as a film, and didn't find it too bad historically, especially compared to some stuff out there that calls itself "historical". But then again, as long as it does it convincingly, I'm okay with it. And that is coming from ME, who has a HISTORY degree! LOL!

Yes, I'd agree with you about Tennant. If you had never seen him act in anything before, you have every right to be a little apphrensive as to why everyone fangirls him. He is not classically handsome as many leading men are, but still (in my opinion) good looking in an entirely different way. I think the appeal of him comes down to seeing him in action. You just cannot deny the charisma and intensity he brings to all his characters, and even off screen as well. In terms of the roles he does, he lends to a very charming Doctor, quite cheeky. And then on the flip side does roles like Casanova which is certainly not the "type" you would imagine him as, looking at him (have you see it? It is amazing!)

Enjoy Blackpool! I just adore it. DT gets to be his natural Scottish self - always a bonus.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

I first saw Elizabeth when I was still in college and for some reason, the historical thing was big for me back then (I was actually also a history major :P) Which is rather a problem, as most movies are ahistorical.

Re: Tennant. You are so right. I have just posted Doomsday caps last night, and I remember thinking that it's like a switch: now that the 'he is attractive' switch flipped on, I can't see him as anything but, and get highly swoony. It's all this giddy energey.

I haven't seen Casanova, but I really want to, at least after I found out he is in it. Normally I am 'OK, guy slept around Europe, blah.' But what can I say, I am easily swayed :P

[artic-fox.livejournal.com]

Yay for history majors! :D

Yes, he has an attractive switch! One that won't turn off once your eyes have been opened! Damn him! :P

The BBC Casanova is great. Partially larking about, and another part trying to focus on the story of Casanova's life. Very different from the Hollywood version with Heath Ledger. DT is so charismatic. Even I, loving him, was intially a bit wary of him playing a role like Casanova, but he pulls it off so easily, and is so fabulous. Plus I just adore Venice, so I love seeing it captured on film.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

I put my order for Casanova in and we shall see. I liked the HL movie, though of course it didn’t feel historical. It was funny though, and had neat clothes, and was good enough to kill two hours with.

I have always wanted to go to Venice.

[artic-fox.livejournal.com]

Oh great! Let me know your thoughts! (Although I'm sure you will share them on your LJ!)

DT's Casanova is written by Russell T. Davies, which is quite a cool fact. This version is far more historical, and far more focused on the facts we do know about Casanova, rather than just having him swanning around Venice all the time (a lot of it isn't based in Venice at all). It feels like RTD did a lot of research to get a fuller picture of the real man, rather than doing the same as the Hollywood version and glossing over it and working with what people already knew.

Venice is amazing and beautiful and so unique. I think everyone should go to Venice, and I would love to go back. It always looks amazing captured on film too.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Oh, I am definitely going to balb about it ad nauseam. Blackpool is first though...

[ysrith.livejournal.com]

It's been fascinating reading your reactions to S3. I must admit I enjoy Dr Who but am not a passionate fan. There were parts of S3 I loved "Human Nature" and John Simm as the Master, then there were parts I just loathed. Daleks again! The Doctor as Dobby the House Elf.

Of course I love Jack, but felt he was criminally underused in the last three episodes, though the reveal of the Face of Boe was almost worth it.

I like your analysis of how Martha and Roses's reactions and interactions differ. I loved Rose and I loved Martha. The moment she told The Doctor "Dr - thats a title you have to earn" I grinned. I actually think the Doctor is a selfish bastard, but then again Timelord so not Human, and I love the two very different way both women interact and deal with him

However after all the hope the season 3 ending left me cold. It was so disappointing. And I am not even going to get started on Catherine Tate's stunt-casting. I know everyone in the US is all "wow look a normal woman", but she has one note, thats it, and trust me it is irritating. She is a plague on UK television. At a recent Scifi convention I was at in the UK, I did not meet one person who was actually enthusiastic about her casting. I have lost any Dr Who squee the moment it was announced she was the new Companion. Even my fanatical Dr Who friends and a few who are more connected with the show than just fandom are dubious. I hope to be wrong, really I do.

I think that RTD's decision to take a break after this season is a good one, as anymore stunt casting and Dalak resurrections once again will kill it for a lot of people I know over here.

OTOH, Torchwood is excellent. Martha on Torchwood is even better, and Jack/Martha/character played by James Marsters is even better.

[ysrith.livejournal.com]

BTW that last bit is fandom wishy-squee over here, based on some interesting comments by JB. I doubt we will actually get it

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Martha is on Torchwood? EEEEE! I could see that. There is James Marsters on the show????

OMG. Must get this yesterday. People should have told me earlier :)

I liked the first two parts of the three parter better than the last part, but I did like it.

I haven't seen Catherine Tate in anything before, so I have no idea if she is irritating in general. But we'll see. I really didn't care for Martha (and in first few eps, she actively annoyed me) so we'll see...no way to go but up for me :)

But I do think a break is a good idea.

[ysrith.livejournal.com]

Martha will be joining the misfits in Cardiff at some stage. Personally I love it, as I think she will work much better there, and I love Martha and Jack together. She is also going to be in three episodes of Dr Who.

James Marsters is guest-starring in season 2. So no need to run out and get season 1 straight away :)

Don't get me started on Catherine Bloody Tate. It is not Donna, though the character irritates me, it is the fact that she will be like that all the time and never, ever change. Both Rose and Martha developed as characters. I loved the first Xmas special, with Rose and Jackie. I loved Jackie. Last year's made me cry, it was so awful and this year we get to look forward to Kylie Minouge on the Titanic. Cries.


Focuses on Torchwood and Dark Jack and all that angst and swagger.

BTW Torchwood is flawed as they can't shed the fact that it is not a kids programme, but the second last episode of Torchwood "Captain Jack Harkness" is one of the loveliest episodes of anything ever and so heart-breakingly poignant.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Oh, I love poignant. I’ll definitely check it out and see if I like. Why would Donna not change, btw? (I confess to liking Runaway Bride but I noticed fandom was very polarized about the ep).