Rewatching Fellowship of the Ring...
Aug. 16th, 2007 03:42 pmYesterday, I restarted my Lord of the Rings rewatch, and before I passed out, Mr. Mousie and I got as far as the Nazgul attack on the hobbits at Weathertop (where Frodo gets stabbed with the Nazgul blade).
Oh God. I still love this movie to bits: the dreamy lushness of the shire, the menace of the Nine (I was grabbing Mr. Mousie’s arm), the fluid camera moves, and the characters all perfectly stepping out of my imagination, from Frodo’s big-eyed wonder and Sam’s sturdy sense, to Aragorn’s intensity and quiet voice. And Merry and Pippin. Oh, I’ve forgotten how I loved the two. Merry is definitely the pragmatic, ‘thinky’ one even so early on, and Pippin is the baby of the group.
Mmmmm. Aragorn. Still awesome (My favorite character, I admit). I get the same sense of security when he first appears (especially when the hobbits are lost as to their course of action) as I did in the book: knowing nothing truly horrible can happen as someone so capable is there. Of course, horrible things can happen still, but you forget for a moment.
A few things really get me on rewatch:
1. Bilbo telling Gandalf that Frodo is still in love with the Shire and so shouldn’t leave. That just makes it incredibly heart-breaking, as you know after his journey the Shire will be forever poisoned to him. It’s not as if he is Bilbo, wanderlust hobbit who is bored and on to the next thing after Shire. He saved the Shire and he loved it, but he never got to enjoy it at all. (Just as Bilbo’s comment of there always being a Baggins in Bag End makes me tear up a little).
2. The hobbits are such civilians at this point: lighting a fire at Weathertop etc etc. And why should they know any better, have any other instincts like that? It’s sad that they learn.
3. The passing of the Elves fills me with sadness as well. You get the sense of something more special than every day world leaving forever, the connection with living myth. But Sam’s comment about never being able to sleep in the wilderness..oh yeah, bittersweet.
4. When Aragorn tells the hobbits of the Nazgul and says ‘they were once men’…he is thinking again of being bound by the common guilt of his ancestors, isn’t he? Even though he shouldn’t as it isn’t his fault. And some of these are literally his ancestors probably.
5. Aragorn singing the song of Beren and Luthien. I am so struck that his answer to Frodo’s question as to who was Luthien and what happened to her is ‘She died.’ Because Luthien was and did many many things, including prying a jewel from the crown of the current Big Bad’s Boss (!!!) but all Aragorn is consumed by is the thought that an Elf Maiden loving a mortal made her mortal as well. That is the only thing he can see. No wonder Elrond convinces him to give up Arwen, he is consumed with guilt.
6. Gandalf the Grey has so much hope, and humanity, and despair in him (you can’t tell whether he is devastated or relieved when for a second it looks as if the Ring isn’t the One Ring). I am never as in love with Gandalf the White, more remote.
7. Attention to detail point 1,458: when they leave the inn at Bree, Aragorn has clean hair. Because he’s stayed in a town, after all. But not so later, when they are out in the wild: his hair gets matted a bit, and his fingernails have grass and dirt stains. And he is STLL hot. Ummm, slipped out…
Btw, I love the story of Beren and Luthien. It would probably make a neat movie (or a really horrible one). There is this super long Russian-language fanfic about them which I had book-marked ages ago but haven’t read (По Ту Сторону Рассвета, Ольга Брилева). Time to pull it out.
Oh God. I still love this movie to bits: the dreamy lushness of the shire, the menace of the Nine (I was grabbing Mr. Mousie’s arm), the fluid camera moves, and the characters all perfectly stepping out of my imagination, from Frodo’s big-eyed wonder and Sam’s sturdy sense, to Aragorn’s intensity and quiet voice. And Merry and Pippin. Oh, I’ve forgotten how I loved the two. Merry is definitely the pragmatic, ‘thinky’ one even so early on, and Pippin is the baby of the group.
Mmmmm. Aragorn. Still awesome (My favorite character, I admit). I get the same sense of security when he first appears (especially when the hobbits are lost as to their course of action) as I did in the book: knowing nothing truly horrible can happen as someone so capable is there. Of course, horrible things can happen still, but you forget for a moment.
A few things really get me on rewatch:
1. Bilbo telling Gandalf that Frodo is still in love with the Shire and so shouldn’t leave. That just makes it incredibly heart-breaking, as you know after his journey the Shire will be forever poisoned to him. It’s not as if he is Bilbo, wanderlust hobbit who is bored and on to the next thing after Shire. He saved the Shire and he loved it, but he never got to enjoy it at all. (Just as Bilbo’s comment of there always being a Baggins in Bag End makes me tear up a little).
2. The hobbits are such civilians at this point: lighting a fire at Weathertop etc etc. And why should they know any better, have any other instincts like that? It’s sad that they learn.
3. The passing of the Elves fills me with sadness as well. You get the sense of something more special than every day world leaving forever, the connection with living myth. But Sam’s comment about never being able to sleep in the wilderness..oh yeah, bittersweet.
4. When Aragorn tells the hobbits of the Nazgul and says ‘they were once men’…he is thinking again of being bound by the common guilt of his ancestors, isn’t he? Even though he shouldn’t as it isn’t his fault. And some of these are literally his ancestors probably.
5. Aragorn singing the song of Beren and Luthien. I am so struck that his answer to Frodo’s question as to who was Luthien and what happened to her is ‘She died.’ Because Luthien was and did many many things, including prying a jewel from the crown of the current Big Bad’s Boss (!!!) but all Aragorn is consumed by is the thought that an Elf Maiden loving a mortal made her mortal as well. That is the only thing he can see. No wonder Elrond convinces him to give up Arwen, he is consumed with guilt.
6. Gandalf the Grey has so much hope, and humanity, and despair in him (you can’t tell whether he is devastated or relieved when for a second it looks as if the Ring isn’t the One Ring). I am never as in love with Gandalf the White, more remote.
7. Attention to detail point 1,458: when they leave the inn at Bree, Aragorn has clean hair. Because he’s stayed in a town, after all. But not so later, when they are out in the wild: his hair gets matted a bit, and his fingernails have grass and dirt stains. And he is STLL hot. Ummm, slipped out…
Btw, I love the story of Beren and Luthien. It would probably make a neat movie (or a really horrible one). There is this super long Russian-language fanfic about them which I had book-marked ages ago but haven’t read (По Ту Сторону Рассвета, Ольга Брилева). Time to pull it out.
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Date: 2007-08-16 07:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-08-16 08:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-08-16 08:30 pm (UTC)(also, I dare you not to cry your eyes out in certain part of the books. it's literally brimming with angst, but never of 'woe-is-me-i'm-so-pitiful' variety., just real, palpable desperation of fighting unwinnable war),
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Date: 2007-08-16 08:34 pm (UTC)I know it was published in book form, so I might see if any of the bookstores that ship to the states would have it (normally I'd be lazy and go to kniga.com but they don't have it and something like ozon.ru is sort of a pain to order from if you are abroad).
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Date: 2007-08-16 08:39 pm (UTC)she also wrote a very cool new book lately, heart of the sword, which I enjoyed greatly. basically it's 'fifteen years old captain' retold as a catholic space opera - it's original, it's good written, it has some amazing characters and well-paced actions. (and lots of good h/c too).
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Date: 2007-08-16 08:43 pm (UTC)Eeeee! 15 year old captain! I read it in third grade and was mad about it. He seemed so grown up at the time :)
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Date: 2007-08-16 08:46 pm (UTC)but it always seemed more like outline of the book rather than actual book for me. well, she fixes it so very neatly (and for now there's only first part written and published, it will be a trilogy; she writes second part right now).
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Date: 2007-08-16 08:50 pm (UTC)It was a fairly slim novel. And seriously, looking back, even then I liked h/c as the thing I remember most vividly, aside from them going over the waterfall, is him being tied up to a stake as a sacrifice.
I love this book. Almost as much as Children of Captain Grant.
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Date: 2007-08-16 08:52 pm (UTC)(and well, you'll like HotS in this aspect. it, well, delivers. in spades).
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Date: 2007-08-16 09:50 pm (UTC)P.S.
Date: 2007-08-16 08:36 pm (UTC)*dies*
The two books of that are in my Top 10 books in any language. I love them so incredibly much. Though all the stuff post Hypolita death in 'Bull from the Sea' made me cry and cry and get depressed.
Re: P.S.
Date: 2007-08-16 08:43 pm (UTC)I think I liked Crete part most of all - he was so young and so sure already, this king-without-kingdom (hello, Aragorn), and he did pull everybody through. everything after this feels like going down.
Re: P.S.
Date: 2007-08-16 08:49 pm (UTC)Oh, agreed, that was my favorite part. I think nothing in his life ever compared to that brief high where everything he had and was had to be put on the line hourly. It's a very PTSD/adrenaline junkie thing. Some people get it in war. He wanted nothing but to get away from it, and to save everyone but once he did, nothing could compare to that intensity.
Until Hypolita, and he found a substitute (though that sounds denigrating and I don't mean to) for that Cretan intensity of experience in loving her and in being with her as equals, but that was different and once she died, everything went with her. And of course he wasn't as young then, either, to start again.
I still remember the first time reading these books and I got to her death and my parents had a dinner party so I had to present myself but my face was all blotched.
And yes, I love that he is flawed: too arrogant, too 'barbarian,' too young (in the beginning) in others, but overall...one of my favorite fictional characters.
Re: P.S.
Date: 2007-08-16 09:02 pm (UTC)and poor Hyppolytus, who doesn't deserve this fate at all. and this really creepy scene with Oedipus. and also that one, when he, paralyzed, becomes aware of losing his earthquake premonitions, his only link to his God - ahhh, I wish I'd stopped reading at Hyppolyte part, while everything were good.
I think what loved most about him was how actually good with people he was - not exactly manipulative, but rather seeing them through and bonding with them directly, and really caring. you can feel his people's loyalty, and it isn't forced or bought - he earns it honestly all the time and deserves it.
Re: P.S.
Date: 2007-08-16 09:49 pm (UTC)The Oedipus thing was very very trippy, but the earthquake power loss broke my heart because it was the one certainty he had left and he needed it so much earlier in life (in order to believe he'd survive) but he needed it now even more in order to continue living.
seeing them through and bonding with them directly, and really caring
And I loved that Renault is so good at writing this because it's first person so if he said something 'i care for people' it would just come across as stupid, but somehow you get this sense anyway.
Re: P.S.
Date: 2007-08-16 09:55 pm (UTC)Re: P.S.
Date: 2007-08-16 10:00 pm (UTC)A long time ago. So long I barely remember Fedra (which is the one I read) so should reread.
Re: P.S.
Date: 2007-08-16 10:09 pm (UTC)1
Оставленной быть - это втравленной быть
В грудь - синяя татуировка матросов!
Оставленной быть - это явленной быть
Семи океанам... Не валом ли быть
Святым, что с палубы сносит?
Уступленной быть - это купленной быть
Задорого: ночи и ночи и ночи
Умоисступленья! О, в трубы трубить -
Уступленной быть! - Это длиться и слыть
Как губы и трубы пророчеств.
21 апреля 1923
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О всеми голосами раковин
Ты пел ей...
- Травкой каждою.
- Она томилась лаской Вакховой.
- Летейских маков жаждала...
- Но как бы те моря ни солоны,
Тот мчался...
- Стены падали.
- И кудри вырывала полными
Горстями
- В пену падали...
Ariadna's story is probably saddest of all, because she gave him his victory - and he got scared and run. dark.
(erm, I've just realized that I'm probably spamming your post somewhat hardcore; sorry for this, I seem really talkative tonight).
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Date: 2007-08-16 10:13 pm (UTC)No worries about spamming, I love it.
and he got scared and run. dark.
But I could also see why he did it.
Btw, I started PTSR and it's amazing.
Re: P.S.
Date: 2007-08-16 10:20 pm (UTC)I love this one even more:
ЖАЛОБА
Ипполит! Ипполит! Болит!
Опаляет... В жару ланиты...
Что за ужас жестокий скрыт
В этом имени Ипполита!
Точно длительная волна
О гранитное побережье.
Ипполитом опалена!
Ипполитом клянусь и брежу!
Руки в землю хотят - от плеч!
Зубы щебень хотят - в опилки!..
Вместе плакать и вместе лечь!
Воспаляется ум мой пылкий...
Точно в ноздри и губы - пыль
Геркуланума... Вяну... Слепну...
Ипполит, это хуже пил!
Это суше песка и пепла!
Это слепень в раскрытый плач
Раны плещущей... Слепень злится.
Это -- красною раной вскачь
Запаленная кобылица!
Ипполит! Ипполит! Спрячь!
В этом пеплуме - как в склепе.
Есть Элизиум - для - кляч:
Живодерня! - Палит слепень!
Ипполит! Ипполит! В плен!
Это в перси, в мой ключ жаркий,
Ипполитова вза - мен
Лепесткового - клюв Гарпий!
Ипполит! Ипполит! Пить!
Сын и пасынок? Со - общник!
Это лава - взамен плит
Под ступнею! - Олимп взропщет?
Олимпийцы?! Их взгляд спящ!
Небожителей - мы - лепим!
Ипполит! Ипполит! В плащ!
В этом пеплуме - как в склепе!
Ипполит, утоли...
7 марта 1923
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ПОСЛАНИЕ
Ипполиту от Матери - Федры - Царицы - весть.
Прихотливому мальчику, чья красота как воск
От державного Феба, от Федры бежит... Итак,
Ипполиту от Федры: стенание нежных уст.
Утоли мою душу! (Нельзя, не коснувшись уст,
Утолить нашу душу!) Нельзя, припадя к устам,
Не припасть и к Психее, порхающей гостье уст...
Утоли мою душу: итак, утоли уста.
Ипполит, я устала.. Блудницам и жрицам - стыд!
Не простое бесстыдство к тебе вопиет! Просты
Только речи и руки... За трепетом уст и рук
Есть великая тайна, молчанье на ней как перст.
О прости меня, девственник! отрок! наездник! нег
Ненавистник! - Не похоть! Не женского лона - блажь
То она -- обольстительница! То Психеи лесть -
Ипполитовы лепеты слушать у самых уст.
- "Устыдись!" - Но ведь поздно! Ведь это
последний всплеск!
Понесли мои кони! С отвесного гребня - в прах -
Я наездниица тоже! Итак, с высоты грудей,
С рокового двухолмия в пропасть твоей груди!
(Не своей ли?!) - Сумей же! Смелей же!
Нежней же! Чем
В вощаную дощечку - не смуглого ль сердца воск?! -
Ученическим стилосом знаки врезать... О пусть
Ипполитову тайну устами прочтет твоя
Ненасытная Федра...
11 марта 1923
Re: P.S.
Date: 2007-08-16 10:23 pm (UTC)But I agree it was the beginning of his fall because it evoked Minos' curse...
Those poems are beautiful.
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Date: 2007-08-16 08:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-08-16 08:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-08-16 08:58 pm (UTC)But as she went he swiftly came
and called he with the tender name
of nightingales in elvish tongue,
that all the woods now sudden rung :
"Tinúviel ! Tinúviel !"
And clear his voice was as a bell ;
its echoes wove a binding spell :
"Tinúviel ! Tinúviel !"
His voice such love and longing filled
one moment stood she, fear was stilled ;
one moment only ; like a flame
he leaped towards her as she stayed
and caught and kissed that elfin maid.
As love there woke in sweet surprise
the starlight trembled in her eyes.
[...]
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Date: 2007-08-16 09:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-08-16 09:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-08-16 11:48 pm (UTC)Siiiiigh.
One of my very favorite parts of Tolkien is the story of Beren and Lúthien. "He called her by her Elvish name, and there she halted listening. One moment stood she, and a spell his voice laid on her." It's absolutely gorgeous.
I don't know if I've ever mentioned this, but I love it whenever you do a post about LOTR because your adoration for it is so palpable. I don't usually delve into a lot of detail in response, partly because I could talk about LOTR ad nauseam, and partly because it's a very personal thing for me, but reading your entries regarding the trilogy always make me remember why it's so special and beautiful and...perfect.
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Date: 2007-08-17 06:23 pm (UTC)But yeah, I love the book and the movies so much. There is always something new to discover there.
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Date: 2007-08-17 01:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-08-17 06:22 pm (UTC)