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I have started a manga which is raising all my feminist hackles. Doesn’t happen very often,* but there it is.

What is it?

Doubt. Doubt is about a very nerdy, plain girl called Ai, who after one humiliation too many, decides to transform herself. She applies to a different high school and meanwhile through strenuous diet and cosmetics and fashion make-over, becomes super hot. In her new school, she sets her eyes on the most popular guy there, Sho.

Now, in itself, while not a super-exciting concept for a manga, it doesn’t come across as super-offensive, yet, here I am ranting about it. Why?

Because it’s an equivalent of a Bratz movie. It is all about the outside, appearances, blending in.



In fact, it’s the exact opposite of such manga as Hana Yori Dango, or Peach Girl, or Wallflower (just to name the first three that came to mind) which were all about looking beyond appearances, good or bad, and being allowed to be yourself, and finding friends or boyfriend who will like you for you.

Doubt is all about just looking at appearances. Looking your best, going for the most popular guy in school just because he is hot.

In Hanadan, Makino is repeatedly portrayed as average looking. She is also much too outspoken. Yet she gives up hiding her true self, finds a core group of friends, and ends up with a guy who is richer than Croesus and who likes her because of her toughness. He falls for her, not her looks, or her pretend portrayal.

In Peach Girl, Momo has to overcome the fact that even though she looks slutty, she is not, and in Wallflower, Sunako stubbornly refuses to be anything but her scary goth self. Some people end up being fine with Makino/Momo/Sunako, others are not, but the main premise is finding what you are, not giving in to labels.

You don’t have to be a battle-ax to get my manga approval. I adore Tohru in Fruits Basket, and she is one of the gentlest souls in fiction. But Tohru is an individual. She cares about the Sohma boys because she cares for people. She is not obsessed with her looks and popularity to exclusion of everything else.

It’s not about not looking hot, either. Momo is unquestionably hot. Or, if you take the heroine of Cynical Orange (whose name escapes me), she is supposed to be very beautiful. But that’s the thing. The heroine of CO finally lets her imperfect side show to the world (she has a huge temper).

They are all people, with flaws. They don’t see the goal of being super-perfect, super-conformist as the best thing ever, and if they do, part of the manga storyline is always how to retain some individuality, or learning that you can be more than your shell.

Not so here.

Ai doesn’t have a thought in her head, no personality except for ‘I wanna be popular.’ And that is how everyone else views her, too. Sho and others like her because she is hot, plain and simple. She doesn’t demonstrate any cool traits of character, like strength of will (a la those heroines mentioned above) or bravery, or anything similar. Not even in Magical Girl genre do heroes go for the girl just because she is there. She usually is the only savior or something, but she also demonstrates positive qualities (whatever you may say about Miaka, she is portrayed as brave, cheerful, extremely good-hearted).

And the same is true about the guys. It’s just beefcake. Why does she like Sho? He is hot. He is popular. The end.

Manga guys and OTPs I care about all have something more than ‘he/she is cute.’ In Hanadan, the story is Makino discovering that despite the not-inaccurate first impression of Domyouji as a jerk, he is actually a strong guy who cares madly for her and with whom she is compatible. In Wallflower, which is all about defying labels in a lot of ways, Kyohei and Sunako are incredibly compatible (and both have been limited by their outward appearance, different as it may be). In Peach Girl, Momo ends up with her best friend, someone who might be a cute flirt, but who supports her, cares for her, and has been there for her. In Fruits Basket, Tohru goes for Kyo. You know, the hot-tempered, messed-up, boyish guy she has known for a long time, not some abstract personification of desired traits. Miaka doesn’t fall for Tamahome because he’s the hottest male she sees around (he isn’t. See Hotohori :D), but because they are compatible, he rescues her etc etc. In Cynical Orange, the heroine ends up with someone who has helped her since they were kids. In Hana Kimi, Sano is drawn to Mizuki’s adorableness and good heart, and Mizuki falls for Sano’s kindness and protective streak as much as his hot body. Even in something as fluffy/silly/girly as Kare First Love, the hero notices the heroine when she is still plain, and they grow closer gradually. Basically, in all of the above, there is a reason for liking, there is something more there than just ‘hot.’ They know each other as people, or they develop this knowledge.

So far, I find Sho not appealing in the least. Ai is all into him solely because he is hot. There is no indication of her caring if they are compatible, or any reason why she goes for him other than he is the most popular. He is an OK enough guy, but he has not done anything to win her devotion. I see no glimmer of any depth at all.

It’s a manga dedicated to the ‘go for the most popular look/person/brand, no matter what, and whether it fits you or not’ concept. I am sure plenty of teenagers and people older than that subscribe to that theory. But I personally find it pretty unappealing. Neither Sho nor Ai are likeable, nor are Ai’s goals any I can sympathize with. Climbing the popularity ladder by getting super-popular and going for the super hottie? Suppress any of your true self whatever it is? Fitting in as most important? Count me out.

Of course, I am a volume and a half in, I might change my mind later (I did with HG, ended up liking it a lot) but for now? Yikes.

* Only other two that did it were Hot Gimmick (which bugged me much less. Whatever else, it’s pretty clear that Ryoku is much more emotionally dependent on the heroine than she on him, so the balance of power is illusory) and Haou Airen which was just…even viewed as the author’s fantasy thing, pretty disgusting.

Date: 2007-08-03 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
Yup, pretty much the problems I had with it. I wouldn't have minded it if Sho, his friend, etc. had liked Ai also for her energy and determination, but nope, it was just her looks. Yeah, they were often impressed by her determination, but more as "well, we'd better not piss her off" than "Man, that's impressive."

I wasn't reading as many manga at the time I was reading it(when it was first coming out) so I stuck with it for 3-4 volumes...up until they said it was OK to cheat and have as many girlfriends as you want("they" being the mangaka and all but one cast member) as long as you plan to eventually narrow it down to one(which none of the other characters knew, but they all immediately assumed-and were right-that he was cheating and thought it was natural)

So..yeah...didn't think it got better myself. Of course, my tolerance shuts down 90% of the time at the hint of cheating(Mars almost got thrown across the room, and they'd even had a nasty breakup and weren't seeing each other when it looked like he had)

Date: 2007-08-03 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I don't mind cheating in the story if it makes sense, as in the person doing it was:

a. drugged or
b. so drunk they thought it was their otp or
c. grovelled afterwards and worked hard to get back to the person and some time passed since or
d. sacrificed self for other person in some weird way

Mars I wouldn't even consider cheating, as they were broken up. Not that he did anything obviously, but I mean if he had.

Heck, in Sensual Phrase (by far not the best manga out there), the guy never cheated even when seduced/drugged/whatnot. Come on, mangaka, why have someone like that as a man character?

Date: 2007-08-03 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
a. nope
b. nope
c. not hardly
d. eeeh...I seem to recall one or two mild rescues.

Basically, iirc, she gets mad, he and everyone else throws the "it's just how he is" thing around, she challenges one of his other girlfriends, and it's said to be ok because he was planning to dump the other girls anyway (oh, so it's ok to cheat as long as you plan to stop cheating later?)

Yeah, it wouldn't have been cheating in Mars, but it raises hackles at the idea because you know he still loves her and is trying to prove he doesn't(but again, not even really cheating, and ultimately a moot point)

There are so many books out there NOT about looks(heck, how about something like Kenshin, SDK or Basara where the heroine is portrayed as the plainest female in the series? granted, only 1 is shojo, but...) and where the guy would never consider "cheating," even with EXTREMELY good reasons too(broken up, mortal enemies, one engaged to another, etc.) that I don't really consider something like Doubt worth wasting my time on.

Date: 2007-08-03 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Yeah, Doubt is just...better than being bored staring at the walls but only just...

Date: 2007-08-04 01:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
being bored and staring at the walls can result in fun posts, though...

but...yeah...if i'd been more aware of what was out there and not still being fairly timid about my reading at the time, I never would have bothered with it after the first volume.

Date: 2007-08-03 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wistfulmemory.livejournal.com
I wasn't even able to get halfway through the first volume of Doubt before I stopped. It was pissing me off too much for me to read more of it.

Date: 2007-08-03 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Yeah, it's pretty irritating.

Date: 2007-08-03 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janlake83.livejournal.com
i totally understand.... *being suckered into taking my little cousin to bratz movie* and i don't get it.... kids today are all about trying to fit in it seems... and i don't know but mangas shouldn't just be about being popular and getting a hot guy... it seems soooo shallow...

when i read this post it made me think of this article.... i'm still in school and the biggest thing i spend on is my tuition and books... and when i was in high school i bargain shopped and although i can afford some of those things now i still wait for them to go onsale...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/homestyle/07/31/student.luxury.ap/index.html

Date: 2007-08-03 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Your wedding dress was beautiful, btw! And you are very pretty! (I am trying to find the post you posted it in, but can't so am replying here instead).

That is a fascinating article, thanks!

Date: 2007-08-04 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janlake83.livejournal.com
your welcome... but that article just makes teenagers of today seem sooo shallow... there has to be more to them than just designer bags but seriously why would you buy a teenager $300 sunglasses???

and thanks i loved my dress, happy that my mom help pick it out...

Date: 2007-08-03 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tatterpunk.livejournal.com
I read Doubt all the way through (I am a finish-ist, which explains some of my more inexplicable reading experiences) and there was a note at the end from the mangaka which made a lot of sense; she never intended for it to be more than a month-long run, but the popularity blew up (and then disappeared, so she finished it in a hurry) and she was forced to draw it out much longer. I'm better she either a) threw the characters and plot together to meet a deadline, without putting any real heart into it or b) had a cohesive plotline that was blown to bits when she learned she had to stretch it out over half a dozen volumes.

It's amazing to think how much publishing politics must interfere in the production of these stories, and how lucky we are in the survival of the ones we love.

Date: 2007-08-03 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Am a completist too, so will be finishing this.

The explanation above makes a lot of sense, thanks!

Want to hang out next week?

Date: 2007-08-03 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tatterpunk.livejournal.com
The explanation above makes a lot of sense, thanks!

Sucks about the story, though. And I especially liked some of the art.


Want to hang out next week?

Yes! Hopefully by then I will have recovered from the sinus infection eating my brain.

Hate planes. HATE.

Date: 2007-08-04 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carviangli.livejournal.com
uggh....!!

Being a teenager I found this repulsive. I loved Hana Yori Dango and Peach Girl was great my love for Fruits Basket is too big to even try and explain but...eww!!

Teenagers are not that shallow! I swear!! Ok...some are...but wtf? This manga seems to be made with the likes of bratty teens...I can't believe such a manga with no depth or plot would be popular...sad!

Date: 2007-08-04 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Exactly. Some people of any age are that shallow, but do I really want to read about them? Yikes.

Date: 2007-08-05 10:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carviangli.livejournal.com
Yeh...you don't wanna read that kind of crap...ughh...I would rather read a manga that is good and depthful:P

Date: 2007-08-04 01:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thinking-lotus.livejournal.com
I only read a bit of doubt. I liked the art, but otherwise ... boooooorrrrrrriiiinnnnngggg. As boring as "instant teenager."

whereas HYD is worth reading and re-reading!

Date: 2007-08-04 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
The art is very pretty but the story is sort of nonexistent.

And Hanadan? So much love.
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Date: 2007-08-09 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I'll check out KD. Sounds good. And I am now on volume 5 of Doubt and it didn't get any better!

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