Logan and Veronica thoughts
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dangermousieYeah, I am obsessed. Whatever :)
There actually only two scenes in Veronica Mars that get me emotionally worked up. One is the scene in the Pilot where Veronica wakes up "the morning after" and stumbles in her wrinkled finery and makes her way to the Sheriff to make her rape allegation. And Lamb laughs in her face. You can see her crumble as she realizes that she can't make him believe her, and I think that is the last straw that breaks her (only for her to rebuild herself, of course). The other scene that gets me worked up is the scene from the Season Finale: Logan on the beach with Veronica. Because there is so much desperate hurt there, and I think what pushes him over the edge is when Keith comes running up and he sees his chance for explanation slipping away and thinks she won't believe him. I guess they both learn how horrible it is to not be believed when you've exposed something really vulnerable in those scenes (and that's why I love Logan on the ledge telling Weevil "What do you think you can do to me?" It's not bravado. It's honesty. Because really, there is not much you can do to make it worse for the guy who is teetering on the edge contemplating suicide already).
The thing is, I think Logan and Veronica are a thing of painful beauty, but I am actually glad they are apart for now. I have no problem with Logan having meaningless hot sex with Kendall or Veronica going back to Duncan for some normalcy. I think they both need to rebuild themselves and figure out what they want for the relationship to work long-term. Because what they had before was hot, and romantic, and very not healthy. Their relationship was not functional. It could have grown to be, if it wasn't for Neptune-flavored obstacles. If there were together for a long time, she would have gotten over her trust issues as she learned he was to be trusted. And he would have gotten over his fear that she would cheat on him or abandon him, and not be so desperate to overlook anything to keep her.
But that's not what happened and now there is too much baggage. They need to work through it. Because you know, he went back to her after she stood him up on a date (OK), accused him of rape, ran off without explanation right after he stood up for her in front of all the 09ers (quite a contrast to Duncan, I might add), and capped off the relationship by turning him in for murder. And even after all that, he still turned up on her doorstep. Part of it is because he has nowhere to go, and part of it is because he is so grateful for any affection, and it's utterly sweet but it's severely not healthy. In fact, I was watching VM season 1 with my husband and her thought that the rape accusation or the murder accusation would cause Veronica to lose Logan. No, my husband is not a vindictive evil bastard. In fact, it would be a reasonable reaction to have resentment. I know I would if I was in his place.
But not Logan. Logan just keeps running back for more. It's a pattern he had with Lilly as well. Lilly clearly treated him like dirt (he knew she was cheating on him), but he just loved her and kept taking it. Even the letter he wrote to break it off? Who knows if his resolution would have held if she didn't end up murdered. (I suspect it would, seeing that he's stopped running after Veronica in Season 2, so he does have a breaking point.)
Any girlfriend of Logan's should write a big thank-you note to Aaron and Lynn, because their "wonderful" parenting resulted in a guy who is so desperate for affection somewhere he'll put up with more stuff than any normal boyfriend ever would.
If you think about it, his self-esteem must be severely damaged, both because of Aaron's abuse and Lynn's non-interference in it, and the fact that all the girls he'd dated so far seemed to leave him and/or cheat on him. He must wonder if there is something wrong with him, if he isn't worthy of affection. So when he does get some, he ends up so grateful, he overlooks some pretty glaring flaws. I think that's where a little matter of idolizing the girl he loves comes into as well (because honestly, he had to have Veronica on some sort of pedestal not to have gotten further than second base with her all summer. It's Logan, after all. Of course, guilt for his unwiting involvement in her "rape" might have also contributed.)
And of course, there is the fact that he really gets no affection or love anywhere, so he is desperate for some and when he finds someone willing to show him any, he grabs onto them like a drowning person. He is so starved for it, that he will put up with almost any treatment to get it.
Plus, he is used to loving really flawed people. Lynn didn't show any indication she cared for Logan at all. She certainly let Aaron abuse him, and I didn't see any maternal actions at all on her part during the whole show. But Logan loves her and misses her desperately. Heck, he even ends up being concerned for Trina when she is beat up. He is used to being treated badly, so when Veronica does something that hurts him, it does not register to him the way it would to someone with a normal upbringing and family. He has no bearings for "normal" in that regard.
Basically, he keeps putting his heart out and it gets stomped on. I think that's why he is with Kendall. She can't hurt him because she means nothing to him. Of course, someone I know said there is a whole other thing about how in VM, the gender roles are reversed where Logan is all about being dependent on Veronica and Veronica able to detach and very hormonal :P I am not sure if I agree, but if that's the case than my L/V ship would definitely fit into a pattern of my other ships where the guys are the more emotionally dependent ones: John/Aeryn, Lee/Kara.
So yes, I really do think they need to be apart for a bit, because power imbalance in a relationship is not good. He needs to find himself as a person and let go of codependency (just as she needs to figure out who she really is and who she really wants) if that relationship is to work long term.
There actually only two scenes in Veronica Mars that get me emotionally worked up. One is the scene in the Pilot where Veronica wakes up "the morning after" and stumbles in her wrinkled finery and makes her way to the Sheriff to make her rape allegation. And Lamb laughs in her face. You can see her crumble as she realizes that she can't make him believe her, and I think that is the last straw that breaks her (only for her to rebuild herself, of course). The other scene that gets me worked up is the scene from the Season Finale: Logan on the beach with Veronica. Because there is so much desperate hurt there, and I think what pushes him over the edge is when Keith comes running up and he sees his chance for explanation slipping away and thinks she won't believe him. I guess they both learn how horrible it is to not be believed when you've exposed something really vulnerable in those scenes (and that's why I love Logan on the ledge telling Weevil "What do you think you can do to me?" It's not bravado. It's honesty. Because really, there is not much you can do to make it worse for the guy who is teetering on the edge contemplating suicide already).
The thing is, I think Logan and Veronica are a thing of painful beauty, but I am actually glad they are apart for now. I have no problem with Logan having meaningless hot sex with Kendall or Veronica going back to Duncan for some normalcy. I think they both need to rebuild themselves and figure out what they want for the relationship to work long-term. Because what they had before was hot, and romantic, and very not healthy. Their relationship was not functional. It could have grown to be, if it wasn't for Neptune-flavored obstacles. If there were together for a long time, she would have gotten over her trust issues as she learned he was to be trusted. And he would have gotten over his fear that she would cheat on him or abandon him, and not be so desperate to overlook anything to keep her.
But that's not what happened and now there is too much baggage. They need to work through it. Because you know, he went back to her after she stood him up on a date (OK), accused him of rape, ran off without explanation right after he stood up for her in front of all the 09ers (quite a contrast to Duncan, I might add), and capped off the relationship by turning him in for murder. And even after all that, he still turned up on her doorstep. Part of it is because he has nowhere to go, and part of it is because he is so grateful for any affection, and it's utterly sweet but it's severely not healthy. In fact, I was watching VM season 1 with my husband and her thought that the rape accusation or the murder accusation would cause Veronica to lose Logan. No, my husband is not a vindictive evil bastard. In fact, it would be a reasonable reaction to have resentment. I know I would if I was in his place.
But not Logan. Logan just keeps running back for more. It's a pattern he had with Lilly as well. Lilly clearly treated him like dirt (he knew she was cheating on him), but he just loved her and kept taking it. Even the letter he wrote to break it off? Who knows if his resolution would have held if she didn't end up murdered. (I suspect it would, seeing that he's stopped running after Veronica in Season 2, so he does have a breaking point.)
Any girlfriend of Logan's should write a big thank-you note to Aaron and Lynn, because their "wonderful" parenting resulted in a guy who is so desperate for affection somewhere he'll put up with more stuff than any normal boyfriend ever would.
If you think about it, his self-esteem must be severely damaged, both because of Aaron's abuse and Lynn's non-interference in it, and the fact that all the girls he'd dated so far seemed to leave him and/or cheat on him. He must wonder if there is something wrong with him, if he isn't worthy of affection. So when he does get some, he ends up so grateful, he overlooks some pretty glaring flaws. I think that's where a little matter of idolizing the girl he loves comes into as well (because honestly, he had to have Veronica on some sort of pedestal not to have gotten further than second base with her all summer. It's Logan, after all. Of course, guilt for his unwiting involvement in her "rape" might have also contributed.)
And of course, there is the fact that he really gets no affection or love anywhere, so he is desperate for some and when he finds someone willing to show him any, he grabs onto them like a drowning person. He is so starved for it, that he will put up with almost any treatment to get it.
Plus, he is used to loving really flawed people. Lynn didn't show any indication she cared for Logan at all. She certainly let Aaron abuse him, and I didn't see any maternal actions at all on her part during the whole show. But Logan loves her and misses her desperately. Heck, he even ends up being concerned for Trina when she is beat up. He is used to being treated badly, so when Veronica does something that hurts him, it does not register to him the way it would to someone with a normal upbringing and family. He has no bearings for "normal" in that regard.
Basically, he keeps putting his heart out and it gets stomped on. I think that's why he is with Kendall. She can't hurt him because she means nothing to him. Of course, someone I know said there is a whole other thing about how in VM, the gender roles are reversed where Logan is all about being dependent on Veronica and Veronica able to detach and very hormonal :P I am not sure if I agree, but if that's the case than my L/V ship would definitely fit into a pattern of my other ships where the guys are the more emotionally dependent ones: John/Aeryn, Lee/Kara.
So yes, I really do think they need to be apart for a bit, because power imbalance in a relationship is not good. He needs to find himself as a person and let go of codependency (just as she needs to figure out who she really is and who she really wants) if that relationship is to work long term.
