Logan. And Veronica. Oh, my OTP!
May. 10th, 2006 01:02 pmOK, still thinking about the finale.
I am really wondering now what Beaver’s motivation was at the end of S1 for telling Veronica about Logan’s alibi being false. Before last night, I would have said it’s because he was ultimately a good kid. But now? The whole scene changes. Of course, it could be because he felt residually guilty about the rape, but I doubt that was a large part of his motivation (or any, actually). So why? In part, I think it’s because he wants to distract her from her rape investigation. He knows she is trying to find out what happened, but he doesn’t know that she’s concluded already (with finding out about Duncan). As far as he knows, she is still digging, and what better way to distract her than by effectively telling her that her shiny new boyfriend might be a murderer. And in addition, after everyone finds out that Abel Koontz didn’t really do it, the question who is a murderer is clear and open again, after all. Now, you could say that anyone who knows Logan at all knows that if there is one thing Logan is incapable of, it is of killing a woman he loves. Snarky or acting-outish as he sometimes gets, he is an unbelievable push-over when it comes to women. And Cassidy knows Logan, right? Except if there is one character who is very clear on ‘you are not what you can seem to be’ it is Beaver. Not just because in his world, ‘good guy’ Woody is a molester. It’s because he knows that truth about himself: he comes across to everyone as a geeky dweeb when he is a former rapist and future mass murderer. So I can see him thinking “just because Logan comes across as not-a-killer doesn’t mean he is.” And hey, Cassidy is left with being able to interrupt V investigating what he doesn’t want her to investigate by turning in a potential murderer. And after all, why should he help out Logan (reasons the boy). Nobody’s ever helped him, and Logan is the friend of his annoying brother.
I think this all ties in with his yelling at Veronica at the finale and taking things out on her. Beaver is someone who feels he’s been wronged and put upon by the whole world, and so any time he can take a bit of that frustration out, he does. Yes, V never did anything to him, but Beaver is not rational, he just wants to take it out on someone, and he seems to think everyone made his life awful. It’s not logical, but there it is. He is not a sociopath, as sociopath is incapable of feeling anything (Aaron, now, there was a sociopath). He is just a majorly screwed up kid, who, if the murder was left undetected, many years down the road might have felt bad about it. And he clearly cared for Mac.
And that leads me to the rape (btw, even if I didn’t like this episode, which I love, I would have still forgiven RT everything for that one brief shot of the look on Logan’s face when Veronica screams at Beaver “you raped me!”) Interestingly enough, the fact that Beaver raped her, washes away a lot of guilt in that night’s events from both Duncan and Logan. Yes, Logan is still responsible for the salt lick, but the one big thing he was responsible for was putting GHB into Duncan’s drink. But if V was raped by Beaver anyway, she would have woken up raped no matter what happened with Duncan, so Logan is off the hook for that part. And Duncan is off the hook because once again, no matter what he did, V would have woken up raped. (Sidenote: I dislike Duncan as he is dull, or was dull until the finale, but I never understood people who think he raped V. They were both equally incapacitated and equally willing in that incapacitation. So I guess they raped each other? Just because he is a guy doesn’t mean he automatically gets blamed. As for ditching in the morning and not talking about it afterward? Cowardly and lame. But understandable. The guy thought he committed incest. He just wanted to get out of there. Which doesn’t make him a hero, but I can understand. And since he had no idea V forgot about that night, he probably was very cowardly relieved about her not bringing it up. Reasons not to like him, but I don’t think he would qualify as a rapist under those facts).
Anyway, back to L/V. Do you know what is so wonderful about them and their scene on the roof? Logan is the one who is there for her. Remember how Veronica said in S1 “the hero is the one who stays,” and she clearly has abandonment issues? Well, Logan is the one who stays. Both Duncan and Wallace leave her for long stretches of time (Duncan to take care of his child, Wallace to sort out his parental issues and then after Jackie). And they have good reasons for going, understandable reasons. But the fact remains, Logan is the one person who is there for her when Keith can’t be: he is there for her at the Camelot, he is there for her at the Fitzpatricks, he is there for her at the roof. (And what a neat parallel that at the Fitzes she was the one freaking out about his gun, which wasn’t even loaded, and here she is the one with the gun, and he has to talk her down, to take it away from her. In some ways, Logan is quite mature). And the beautiful thing about that scene on the roof is, as
winterspel put it, Logan and Veronica save each other. She is not a damsel in distress. He is not a screw-up in need of saving. They are both frightened young people who work together to get the gun away from Beaver, and make a heck of an effective team. He saves her, but she saves him in turn.
But he saves her all over again, when he takes the gun away from her. I am sure he is someone who’s had thoughts of killing Aaron, even if they were just thoughts. He is someone who can understand her need for revenge. Hell, he loves her, so he is hurting FOR her, because she is falling apart, and you can see it in his face. But he knows that if she shoots Cassidy, her life is over, and not just because she’d go to jail. And the thing is, Logan is terrified at that moment, more terrified than we’ve seen him during that whole roof-top scene, with the possible exception of when he screams ‘no’ at the beginning as Beaver is about to do V in. He is terrified, because he doesn’t really know what he is doing, he is scared he would fail, he is desperate (and how spectacular that he puts any need for revenge he has aside because he knows revenge V wants would fuck her up), and the stakes are huge: it’s Veronica. And also how in character that he is more affected by the news that V was raped than by Keith’s death. Because to Logan, whose life is full of spectacularly bad stuff? All this is coming through a Veronica-filter he has on.
And I do love that he holds Veronica, and he is so comforting, and gentle, and quiet, and steady, and he keeps his eyes on Cassidy. And throughout the events on the roof, Veronica is always his priority, over seeing Cassidy fall to his death, over anything. I do love that Logan was her caretaker/protector during that night. It’s a huge thing of mine when independent and strong women can lay down their burdens for a while and know that someone is there to take care of them if they need it. No matter how strong you are (and Veronica is very strong) it’s good to know that if you break down (and everyone has a breaking point), there is someone whose shoulder you can lean on. And Logan was so THERE (it goes back to the “staying” part). He clearly carried her to bed at some point during the night, because she falls asleep on the sofa on his lap but wakes up in her bed, all her clothes on. And then he went and slept on the sofa (I imagine that’s when Keith came in, saw sleeping Logan, went ‘hmmmm?’ and went to bed), and then he got up in the morning and cooked for her, and all without any fuss or fireworks or anything. Just efficiently and quietly was there, making sure she wouldn’t wake up alone. After all, if anyone is an expert on losing a loved parent suddenly, it’s him.
And I love it when she sees it’s not her Dad but him and she breaks down and he just holds her and whispers “I am sorry” over and over (and what is he sorry for? I love that he doesn’t enumerate, because he is sorry about the whole rotten mess. Ultimately, he is sorry that the girl he loves is falling apart). Waaaaaaaaaaah. And then he leaves quickly when Keith comes back, because he knows they need time (and I wonder if it brings things back for him: we know he wanted to believe his mother wasn’t dead, wanted it desperately, and here is Veronica, actually getting that second chance).
And I adore the scene at the end, where they are both so giddy happy and relaxed and he twirls her, and his kiss takes her totally by surprise: I think he simply cannot keep his hands away from her and she from him and it’s so adorable, and the only thing more adorable is that her whole face transforms when she sees Logan come in for the bags. But yeah, they still need to talk.
I am really wondering now what Beaver’s motivation was at the end of S1 for telling Veronica about Logan’s alibi being false. Before last night, I would have said it’s because he was ultimately a good kid. But now? The whole scene changes. Of course, it could be because he felt residually guilty about the rape, but I doubt that was a large part of his motivation (or any, actually). So why? In part, I think it’s because he wants to distract her from her rape investigation. He knows she is trying to find out what happened, but he doesn’t know that she’s concluded already (with finding out about Duncan). As far as he knows, she is still digging, and what better way to distract her than by effectively telling her that her shiny new boyfriend might be a murderer. And in addition, after everyone finds out that Abel Koontz didn’t really do it, the question who is a murderer is clear and open again, after all. Now, you could say that anyone who knows Logan at all knows that if there is one thing Logan is incapable of, it is of killing a woman he loves. Snarky or acting-outish as he sometimes gets, he is an unbelievable push-over when it comes to women. And Cassidy knows Logan, right? Except if there is one character who is very clear on ‘you are not what you can seem to be’ it is Beaver. Not just because in his world, ‘good guy’ Woody is a molester. It’s because he knows that truth about himself: he comes across to everyone as a geeky dweeb when he is a former rapist and future mass murderer. So I can see him thinking “just because Logan comes across as not-a-killer doesn’t mean he is.” And hey, Cassidy is left with being able to interrupt V investigating what he doesn’t want her to investigate by turning in a potential murderer. And after all, why should he help out Logan (reasons the boy). Nobody’s ever helped him, and Logan is the friend of his annoying brother.
I think this all ties in with his yelling at Veronica at the finale and taking things out on her. Beaver is someone who feels he’s been wronged and put upon by the whole world, and so any time he can take a bit of that frustration out, he does. Yes, V never did anything to him, but Beaver is not rational, he just wants to take it out on someone, and he seems to think everyone made his life awful. It’s not logical, but there it is. He is not a sociopath, as sociopath is incapable of feeling anything (Aaron, now, there was a sociopath). He is just a majorly screwed up kid, who, if the murder was left undetected, many years down the road might have felt bad about it. And he clearly cared for Mac.
And that leads me to the rape (btw, even if I didn’t like this episode, which I love, I would have still forgiven RT everything for that one brief shot of the look on Logan’s face when Veronica screams at Beaver “you raped me!”) Interestingly enough, the fact that Beaver raped her, washes away a lot of guilt in that night’s events from both Duncan and Logan. Yes, Logan is still responsible for the salt lick, but the one big thing he was responsible for was putting GHB into Duncan’s drink. But if V was raped by Beaver anyway, she would have woken up raped no matter what happened with Duncan, so Logan is off the hook for that part. And Duncan is off the hook because once again, no matter what he did, V would have woken up raped. (Sidenote: I dislike Duncan as he is dull, or was dull until the finale, but I never understood people who think he raped V. They were both equally incapacitated and equally willing in that incapacitation. So I guess they raped each other? Just because he is a guy doesn’t mean he automatically gets blamed. As for ditching in the morning and not talking about it afterward? Cowardly and lame. But understandable. The guy thought he committed incest. He just wanted to get out of there. Which doesn’t make him a hero, but I can understand. And since he had no idea V forgot about that night, he probably was very cowardly relieved about her not bringing it up. Reasons not to like him, but I don’t think he would qualify as a rapist under those facts).
Anyway, back to L/V. Do you know what is so wonderful about them and their scene on the roof? Logan is the one who is there for her. Remember how Veronica said in S1 “the hero is the one who stays,” and she clearly has abandonment issues? Well, Logan is the one who stays. Both Duncan and Wallace leave her for long stretches of time (Duncan to take care of his child, Wallace to sort out his parental issues and then after Jackie). And they have good reasons for going, understandable reasons. But the fact remains, Logan is the one person who is there for her when Keith can’t be: he is there for her at the Camelot, he is there for her at the Fitzpatricks, he is there for her at the roof. (And what a neat parallel that at the Fitzes she was the one freaking out about his gun, which wasn’t even loaded, and here she is the one with the gun, and he has to talk her down, to take it away from her. In some ways, Logan is quite mature). And the beautiful thing about that scene on the roof is, as
But he saves her all over again, when he takes the gun away from her. I am sure he is someone who’s had thoughts of killing Aaron, even if they were just thoughts. He is someone who can understand her need for revenge. Hell, he loves her, so he is hurting FOR her, because she is falling apart, and you can see it in his face. But he knows that if she shoots Cassidy, her life is over, and not just because she’d go to jail. And the thing is, Logan is terrified at that moment, more terrified than we’ve seen him during that whole roof-top scene, with the possible exception of when he screams ‘no’ at the beginning as Beaver is about to do V in. He is terrified, because he doesn’t really know what he is doing, he is scared he would fail, he is desperate (and how spectacular that he puts any need for revenge he has aside because he knows revenge V wants would fuck her up), and the stakes are huge: it’s Veronica. And also how in character that he is more affected by the news that V was raped than by Keith’s death. Because to Logan, whose life is full of spectacularly bad stuff? All this is coming through a Veronica-filter he has on.
And I do love that he holds Veronica, and he is so comforting, and gentle, and quiet, and steady, and he keeps his eyes on Cassidy. And throughout the events on the roof, Veronica is always his priority, over seeing Cassidy fall to his death, over anything. I do love that Logan was her caretaker/protector during that night. It’s a huge thing of mine when independent and strong women can lay down their burdens for a while and know that someone is there to take care of them if they need it. No matter how strong you are (and Veronica is very strong) it’s good to know that if you break down (and everyone has a breaking point), there is someone whose shoulder you can lean on. And Logan was so THERE (it goes back to the “staying” part). He clearly carried her to bed at some point during the night, because she falls asleep on the sofa on his lap but wakes up in her bed, all her clothes on. And then he went and slept on the sofa (I imagine that’s when Keith came in, saw sleeping Logan, went ‘hmmmm?’ and went to bed), and then he got up in the morning and cooked for her, and all without any fuss or fireworks or anything. Just efficiently and quietly was there, making sure she wouldn’t wake up alone. After all, if anyone is an expert on losing a loved parent suddenly, it’s him.
And I love it when she sees it’s not her Dad but him and she breaks down and he just holds her and whispers “I am sorry” over and over (and what is he sorry for? I love that he doesn’t enumerate, because he is sorry about the whole rotten mess. Ultimately, he is sorry that the girl he loves is falling apart). Waaaaaaaaaaah. And then he leaves quickly when Keith comes back, because he knows they need time (and I wonder if it brings things back for him: we know he wanted to believe his mother wasn’t dead, wanted it desperately, and here is Veronica, actually getting that second chance).
And I adore the scene at the end, where they are both so giddy happy and relaxed and he twirls her, and his kiss takes her totally by surprise: I think he simply cannot keep his hands away from her and she from him and it’s so adorable, and the only thing more adorable is that her whole face transforms when she sees Logan come in for the bags. But yeah, they still need to talk.
Epic.
Date: 2006-05-10 05:35 pm (UTC)Re: Epic.
Date: 2006-05-10 05:36 pm (UTC)I've been grinning all day.
I can't wait to see icons for this ep come in.
Re: Epic.
Date: 2006-05-10 06:37 pm (UTC)Same here. *dreamy sigh*
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Date: 2006-05-10 05:36 pm (UTC)I never thought he raped her but I thought she was raped. Which is a confusing but important distinction I think.
And then he leaves quickly when Keith comes back, because he knows they need time
I adored this. Logan at his very best. Truly.
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Date: 2006-05-10 05:38 pm (UTC)Oh, I understand it, and I agree. Even before the Beaver reveal, she thought she was raped. And because she couldn't give legit consent to Duncan, she was. But because he himself was equally high, he didn't rape her. I was just commenting on people who think he is a rapist. I don't like the boy but can't see him as a rapist.
I adored this. Logan at his very best. Truly.
Oh yes. So mature. Sigh.
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Date: 2006-05-10 05:39 pm (UTC)He's sorry he's not Keith.
He is someone who can understand her need for revenge. Hell, he loves her, so he is hurting FOR her, because she is falling apart, and you can see it in his face. But he knows that if she shoots Cassidy, he life is over, and not just because she’d go to jail.
Yes. He is, strangely enough, her humanity for that moment. And what a great thing to have Logan be representative of the best part of someone, not the petty, vengeful part.
Great post.
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Date: 2006-05-10 05:48 pm (UTC)True. But I think he is sorry about everything, not just Keith: about her being raped, about seeing someone plummet to their death, everything. It's interesting how still Logan can be at the very important moments, for someone who is all fidgeting normally.
And what a great thing to have Logan be representative of the best part of someone, not the petty, vengeful part.
How brilliantly put. I love that he is her humanity, as you put it.
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Date: 2006-05-10 06:17 pm (UTC)I didn't even think of that! Aww Woobie!
I love this, I love them, and if it's ok with you, I would love to link this from my LJ, because ITA with all you've said, and you've said it much more eloquently than I ever could.
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Date: 2006-05-10 06:33 pm (UTC)What an excellent point! I hadn't even thought of that angle, but I'm sure you're right.
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Date: 2006-05-10 07:03 pm (UTC)YES. Yes yes yes. That is a huge thing for me, too, and I cannot express how thrilled I am that Logan took her home, stayed there, and took care of her. It's more than I expected and hoped for, and I AM THRILLED.
Anyway, I love this post, so, SO much. I want to print it out and frame it.
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Date: 2006-05-10 07:25 pm (UTC)It's more than I expected and hoped for, and I AM THRILLED.
Yeah. The most I was hoping for was a bit of interaction that was friendly. What we got was SO much more than that, that I am a bit speechless. I can be very patient and happy during hiatus, with what we are left with.
I love your icon.
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Date: 2006-05-10 07:25 pm (UTC)YES YES YES. YES. That's one of the reasons I loved the scene on the roof, and why I love L/V in general. And also why I love pairings like Sydney/Vaughn on Alias. I get so annoyed with female characters who are so I'm-strong-and-independent that they can't lean on anyone when they really ought to be for their own mental health, lol.
And I adore the scene at the end, where they are both so giddy happy and relaxed and he twirls her, and his kiss takes her totally by surprise: I think he simply cannot keep his hands away from her and she from him and it’s so adorable, and the only thing more adorable is that her whole face transforms when she sees Logan come in for the bags.
Ugh, yes. They are so wonderful.
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Date: 2006-05-10 07:26 pm (UTC)Exactly. That becomes either:
a. They never need anyone, with is unrealistic and Mary Suish or
b. They have no one to lean on which just makes me upset at their near and dear.
But here, it was perfect.
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Date: 2006-05-10 08:16 pm (UTC)So do I. They are definitely in my Top 10 ships.
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Date: 2006-05-10 08:48 pm (UTC)my reasoning for why it totally makes sense and is completely in character that Cassidy raped Veronica, repeatedly tried to hurt her relationship with Logan (in LitB and CCBB), would have killed her father, and tried to kill her (which he actually thought he did twice, since he thought she was on the bus when he made the call) (this is mostly copied from my post on TWoP):
I think Cassidy's purpose in telling Veronica about Logan's return to Neptune in "Leave it to Beaver" was mainly to hurt Veronica by making her suspect Logan for the murder, especially since the whole having V spy on Kendall thing was just a plan to have V turn his dad in for fraud, so him taking the thing with the pictures from Java the Hut to "warn" his father was totally fake, and he thus probably just left the picture of Logan w/Kendall up to also hurt Veronica.
I think Beaver is probably projecting his anger over being molested onto Veronica, since she survived him raping her (and all the other shit that she went through in season 1--most of all, in that season she's a survivor) to have (what appear to Beaver as) healthy relationships with several guys and actually be tough and brave, whereas he can't really have a healthy relationship with Mac (and thus wanted to destroy Veronica's, I could see him encouraging Logan in the "class war" stuff for the same reason) and is only tough and brave in an evil way (and thus tried to break and then kill Veronica to make her as broken by rape as he was, really I think the mention of talking to Veronica is a big part of what made him dump Mac too because of the way it seems like he projected much onto Veronica)... and I think the fact that Logan loved Veronica enough to stop her from becoming a killer like Cassidy (as a response to her rape, etc) probably helped seal the deal for him about whether to jump or not, as he didn't have anyone who would do that for him...
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Date: 2006-05-10 08:58 pm (UTC)It is going to long summer....
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Date: 2006-05-11 01:45 am (UTC)Logan & Veronica! I love applying "the hero is the one who stays" to Logan, that's genius! (And desperately needs to be an icon.) And my attempt to make a comment is totally failing, because I'm just rereading your post and nodding.
I do have to say that Logan always being there for her when she really needed him was something I didn't doubt (no matter how many romantic shenanigans the writers pulled) and that's really one of the things that makes this work so well as an OTP.
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Date: 2006-05-11 02:15 am (UTC)Yes, because ultimately, Veronica can rely on him. And she knows that. And hey, I think having a guy who will be there for you during the bad times and take care of you is the most important criteria for a relationship.
How much of season 2 was planned when they wrote LitB
According to RT, they planned to have Beaver be the S2 culprit from the moment they introduced him. They thought of him as the rapist about a month after they wrote ATttD and realized there was a believable gap in the stories...
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Date: 2006-05-11 06:40 am (UTC)That is an interesting theory about Beaver, and it explains why he freaked when Mac told him she'd been talking to Veronica. I knew there was something strange going on there.
You know what I'm thinking? I wonder if burning down the pool last summer was his idea. I mean, he had a knowledge of explosives, so he would probably know how to best burn stuff down too. And that led to Veronica breaking up with Logan for acting reckless. So I guess another thing we can blame Beaver for is keeping them apart all year, grr. :P
I would have still forgiven RT everything for that one brief shot of the look on Logan’s face when Veronica screams at Beaver “you raped me!”
I loved that. I mean, that is pretty much the worst way to violate someone and I love how outraged he was for her. The other stuff he could take, but not that.
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Date: 2006-05-11 02:21 pm (UTC)Oh yes. But he still took the gun away from her, because she is the paramount concern for him. Shippy sigh....
I wonder if burning down the pool last summer was his idea. I mean, he had a knowledge of explosives, so he would probably know how to best burn stuff down too. And that led to Veronica breaking up with Logan for acting reckless
Could be. Still waters certainly ran deep, in his case.
And I do think feelings for Logan entered in somewhere. Logan is after all the head of 09ers, best friend of his brother, both of which entities, in his view, belittle him and make fun of him and what not (granted, neither Logan nor Veronica nor anyone else ever realized how much it bugged him e.g. to be called "Beaver" but we can see at the end that it really did). So if he can commit some arson against people who were awful to him (because in Beaver's worldview, everyone in the world is against him), and also as a result get Veronica unhappy and mess things up for Logan, so much the better...
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Date: 2006-05-12 03:15 am (UTC)That is a very good point. I hadn't even thought of that. But I guess it sort of makes sense that he'd want to punish her then.
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Date: 2006-05-22 04:35 am (UTC)AND THE TWIRL! OF GLEE! SO CUTE!!
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