Yeah, first reaction was in response to the last 15 minutes, and was rather incoherent.
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Yes, yes, it was an excellent episode: I loved V's Tom Cruise joke, her almost calling Kendall a c--- in her Dad's office (a pun on the Music Man AND a four letter word? How much more perfect can you get?), and above all, her Lamb references to Madison (is it me, or was Lamb a lot less abrasive to Keith this ep? Could it be because the incorporation failed so now he gets to keep his job and Keith's revelations about Goody are part of the reason vote failed).
And there was Dick and his party pig (Dick is pretty pathetic lately, isn't he? But I can never view him as just a rich assholish clown, not after ATttD), and the mystery starting to connect, with some sort of nexus between Lucky and Goodman and the Mannings (though if Lucky caused the bus crash, I'll scream because he is introduced much too late for that). And the storyline with Jackie and her Dad is rather touching, and Goodman is tawdry. Though I am thinking that the female, grown-up staffer was a 'cover all bases' thing, because if he got caught with her (and it looks like he was trying to cover it up, too) that when the Goodman-as-molester accusations/insinuations come up (and he's got to be worried, with Lucky's video and all), people will find them harder to believe.
So V has an STD from VD (and yes, the VD thing will never be not funny). I really hope that it's because Duncan was steppin' out (it doesn't even have to be Kendall. He could have been doing a number of girl after his first break up with V and there would be no moral problem with it). But that's because I like to blame the Donut. The other option is Meg, of course. They made her an unwed teen mother, so I suppose they can turn her from virgin to slut too.
I am warming up to Butters (Mac seems to be a magnet for guys whose nicknames start with 'B'). If her and Beaver don't work out, they should hook up.
Wallace and Jackie bore me. Wallace is a nice guy. Jackie is (now) a nice girl. They are nice. Can I snore now? I've never been interested much in either of them. But I think RT risked entirely new levels of disinterest in their relationship when he put in their sex scene after the Logan/Veronica 'epic' scene which has all of the fandom reeling. I admit I was "Wallace/Jackie having sex? Do I care? Get back to L/V!!!!!" Though they did seem to make a big production out of it being sweet, and knowing about birds and bees, so I wonder if there is going to be a nasty twist there. But hey, even the possibility of that arouses no interest. I simply don't care.
But all of the above, while holding various degrees of interest and appeal, has been steamrolled in my mind by the juggernaught that is L/V.
The 'epic' scene at the alterna-Prom is now my favorite L/V scene ever. More so than the kiss in WoCD, even. I love that Logan keeps sneaking looks at Veronica, very furtively. That after the elevator scene he greets all his guests from the elevator group but he keeps honing in on her, and he is all expectant and just not paying attention to anyone. He is talking but his mind is elsewhere.
This whole ep, prior to it, he is wearing his heart on his sleeve and has neon signs over his head. That scene by the locker in the beginning? Pure heaven.
But right, right, back to the 'epic' scene. There are SO many reasons I love it.
1. The way Logan says 'tortured' with a grin, as if he means it yet knows how terribly cliche and overdramatic the line is.
2. Veronica trying to keep it light until she realizes that the girl who broke his heart is her. He looks at her so intensely and all of a sudden it just clicks for her and the intensity ratchets exponentially, and I realize that (as he Hannah comment indicated) she has never realized before that Logan loves her. Yes, a blind newt could tell, but V is so off-kilter when it comes to Logan, she is afraid to trust her gut instincts (and after all, she never had a very good guy radar). She didn't know it even though he told her he was in love over the summer. She probably thought it's something he tells all his gfs. But after this confession, when they are not together any more, and he pours his heart out, it finally clicks.
3. The way Logan says that the year is almost over and they won't see each other again. He is panicked and desperate.
4. He keeps demolishing her walls one by one (she is putting up weaker and weaker ones as the conversations progresses) and oh, she so wants to lean into that kiss.
5. When he touches her cheek, you see this completely physically overwhelmed reaction from her. No wonder she bolts as he is trying to kiss her. It's complete emotional overload. Most of it from his speech, but some of it from his touching her face: they'd always had crazy chemistry.
6. The devastated look on Logan's face as she bolts. In S1 she lied to him when she said she had to bolt because it got too intense and he believed her (and waited for her). How ironic that her lie is made truth here, and he doesn't know it.
And the scene in the morning? In the hotel? Utter devastation. I think RT has been hanging out with Joss too much. I think what really killed me is the very last bit, when Veronica is in the elevator with tears in her eyes and she is looking anywhere but at Logan (hipbones!!!!! Sorry) but then she raises her head and looks straight at him, tears in her eyes, face devastated. And the worst thing? She probably thought about this half the night and got to Logan's as early as was not crazy-stalkerish but if she'd waited longer, Kendall would have been gone. Because while logically, she has no grounds on which to reproach Logan: they are not a couple, not even on a break, and she rejected him, but emotionally it's a different story: she has just opened up her heart to be confronted with him morning-aftering with another woman (and a woman who was almost responsible for getting her Dad shot, though Logan doesn't know it). So she is back to believing he didn't mean what he said, he was just looking for an easy lay or he just says meaningless things, or whatever. Not 'he is beyond fucked up and he was reaching for one thing in life that's painless and meaningless and he meant every word he said.' Yeah. But it's not too bad, because:
a. The ball is now in Logan's court. This is the first time he's realized she loves him. He never knew that before (she hasn't cried over Duncan, but she has cried over Logan. Twice. Hmmmmm). And Logan, unlike Veronica, is not about avoidance. I can't see him not trying to do everything in his power to get her back, to convince her he loves her.
b. I feel horrible for Veronica, but hey, it's not anywhere near as bad as what she put Logan through end of last season. So it balances out a bit, but also, they bounced back from that, didn't they?
I have no clue how much of this they will have time to address (only two eps left after all). And if Aaron gets acquitted, I can see Logan having a lot more horrible messed-up stuff to deal with before he can get the Veronica thing straightened out. After all, he is overdue for angst, as he was angst free for the last few eps. So now we have this, and if Aaron gets acquitted, we are completely back to Logan hell.
I have already rewatched L/V scenes three times. Screaming was involved every time. I need help.
It's funny that my favorite character is the one who, when I saw the Pilot, I thought was a nasty spoiled brat who would hopefully get run over by a car, but meanwhile was amusing me with his nastiness. Heh.
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Yes, yes, it was an excellent episode: I loved V's Tom Cruise joke, her almost calling Kendall a c--- in her Dad's office (a pun on the Music Man AND a four letter word? How much more perfect can you get?), and above all, her Lamb references to Madison (is it me, or was Lamb a lot less abrasive to Keith this ep? Could it be because the incorporation failed so now he gets to keep his job and Keith's revelations about Goody are part of the reason vote failed).
And there was Dick and his party pig (Dick is pretty pathetic lately, isn't he? But I can never view him as just a rich assholish clown, not after ATttD), and the mystery starting to connect, with some sort of nexus between Lucky and Goodman and the Mannings (though if Lucky caused the bus crash, I'll scream because he is introduced much too late for that). And the storyline with Jackie and her Dad is rather touching, and Goodman is tawdry. Though I am thinking that the female, grown-up staffer was a 'cover all bases' thing, because if he got caught with her (and it looks like he was trying to cover it up, too) that when the Goodman-as-molester accusations/insinuations come up (and he's got to be worried, with Lucky's video and all), people will find them harder to believe.
So V has an STD from VD (and yes, the VD thing will never be not funny). I really hope that it's because Duncan was steppin' out (it doesn't even have to be Kendall. He could have been doing a number of girl after his first break up with V and there would be no moral problem with it). But that's because I like to blame the Donut. The other option is Meg, of course. They made her an unwed teen mother, so I suppose they can turn her from virgin to slut too.
I am warming up to Butters (Mac seems to be a magnet for guys whose nicknames start with 'B'). If her and Beaver don't work out, they should hook up.
Wallace and Jackie bore me. Wallace is a nice guy. Jackie is (now) a nice girl. They are nice. Can I snore now? I've never been interested much in either of them. But I think RT risked entirely new levels of disinterest in their relationship when he put in their sex scene after the Logan/Veronica 'epic' scene which has all of the fandom reeling. I admit I was "Wallace/Jackie having sex? Do I care? Get back to L/V!!!!!" Though they did seem to make a big production out of it being sweet, and knowing about birds and bees, so I wonder if there is going to be a nasty twist there. But hey, even the possibility of that arouses no interest. I simply don't care.
But all of the above, while holding various degrees of interest and appeal, has been steamrolled in my mind by the juggernaught that is L/V.
The 'epic' scene at the alterna-Prom is now my favorite L/V scene ever. More so than the kiss in WoCD, even. I love that Logan keeps sneaking looks at Veronica, very furtively. That after the elevator scene he greets all his guests from the elevator group but he keeps honing in on her, and he is all expectant and just not paying attention to anyone. He is talking but his mind is elsewhere.
This whole ep, prior to it, he is wearing his heart on his sleeve and has neon signs over his head. That scene by the locker in the beginning? Pure heaven.
But right, right, back to the 'epic' scene. There are SO many reasons I love it.
1. The way Logan says 'tortured' with a grin, as if he means it yet knows how terribly cliche and overdramatic the line is.
2. Veronica trying to keep it light until she realizes that the girl who broke his heart is her. He looks at her so intensely and all of a sudden it just clicks for her and the intensity ratchets exponentially, and I realize that (as he Hannah comment indicated) she has never realized before that Logan loves her. Yes, a blind newt could tell, but V is so off-kilter when it comes to Logan, she is afraid to trust her gut instincts (and after all, she never had a very good guy radar). She didn't know it even though he told her he was in love over the summer. She probably thought it's something he tells all his gfs. But after this confession, when they are not together any more, and he pours his heart out, it finally clicks.
3. The way Logan says that the year is almost over and they won't see each other again. He is panicked and desperate.
4. He keeps demolishing her walls one by one (she is putting up weaker and weaker ones as the conversations progresses) and oh, she so wants to lean into that kiss.
5. When he touches her cheek, you see this completely physically overwhelmed reaction from her. No wonder she bolts as he is trying to kiss her. It's complete emotional overload. Most of it from his speech, but some of it from his touching her face: they'd always had crazy chemistry.
6. The devastated look on Logan's face as she bolts. In S1 she lied to him when she said she had to bolt because it got too intense and he believed her (and waited for her). How ironic that her lie is made truth here, and he doesn't know it.
And the scene in the morning? In the hotel? Utter devastation. I think RT has been hanging out with Joss too much. I think what really killed me is the very last bit, when Veronica is in the elevator with tears in her eyes and she is looking anywhere but at Logan (hipbones!!!!! Sorry) but then she raises her head and looks straight at him, tears in her eyes, face devastated. And the worst thing? She probably thought about this half the night and got to Logan's as early as was not crazy-stalkerish but if she'd waited longer, Kendall would have been gone. Because while logically, she has no grounds on which to reproach Logan: they are not a couple, not even on a break, and she rejected him, but emotionally it's a different story: she has just opened up her heart to be confronted with him morning-aftering with another woman (and a woman who was almost responsible for getting her Dad shot, though Logan doesn't know it). So she is back to believing he didn't mean what he said, he was just looking for an easy lay or he just says meaningless things, or whatever. Not 'he is beyond fucked up and he was reaching for one thing in life that's painless and meaningless and he meant every word he said.' Yeah. But it's not too bad, because:
a. The ball is now in Logan's court. This is the first time he's realized she loves him. He never knew that before (she hasn't cried over Duncan, but she has cried over Logan. Twice. Hmmmmm). And Logan, unlike Veronica, is not about avoidance. I can't see him not trying to do everything in his power to get her back, to convince her he loves her.
b. I feel horrible for Veronica, but hey, it's not anywhere near as bad as what she put Logan through end of last season. So it balances out a bit, but also, they bounced back from that, didn't they?
I have no clue how much of this they will have time to address (only two eps left after all). And if Aaron gets acquitted, I can see Logan having a lot more horrible messed-up stuff to deal with before he can get the Veronica thing straightened out. After all, he is overdue for angst, as he was angst free for the last few eps. So now we have this, and if Aaron gets acquitted, we are completely back to Logan hell.
I have already rewatched L/V scenes three times. Screaming was involved every time. I need help.
It's funny that my favorite character is the one who, when I saw the Pilot, I thought was a nasty spoiled brat who would hopefully get run over by a car, but meanwhile was amusing me with his nastiness. Heh.
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Date: 2006-04-26 04:23 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2006-04-26 04:39 pm (UTC)This would explain so, so much.
I wish to run about with capslocks of ragejoy, but unfortunately I have class. How can there be school when there are important L/V developments to discuss? Unfair!
Epic speech = cutest Logan moment ever.
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Date: 2006-04-26 04:43 pm (UTC)Yup. The guy is so utterly open and vulnerable at the moment.
And CAPSLOCK was invented for this ep.
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Date: 2006-04-26 04:55 pm (UTC)Dick did seem pathetic, he's been coming off as a major loser for several episodes now. If he's not quilty of something (which I still can't seem to latch onto), I'm sure he'll be gone next season.
I think Goodman will go down next week, Keith will bust him on something related to Lucky (if we're lucky he'll get the Mannings too). But Veronica is going to relieze something more, somehting fuzzy and circumstantial, but since she's Veronica she's always right. Then in the finally she deals with Kendall and the Fitzpatricks.
I'm not sure if the Clymidia will even come up this season. Remember how we were all desprate to know who was at the door and what happened to Logan on the bridge? I think this will be one of the summer long WTFs that we have to deal with.
I'm not going to touch the epic scene with a 10 ft pole beyond saying I can't get into Logan unless he's being snarky. He can snarky in a sweet way, or even just friendly, but the character (not the actor) just doesn't fit mushy for me. However I do want to give all 3 actors cudos for the morning after scene, it felt real not contrived like so many other TV angst scenes do.
I can see Logan asking her if there's any reason for him to stay in Neptune as part of the finale. Probably not the last scene (because that's to WB drama), but sometime when she can't give him an answer and have it be left unresolved.
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Date: 2006-04-26 05:05 pm (UTC)OK now to the good stuff-
+ LoVed the "epic" talk. Although, it began rather strangely- Logan was all "Oh whoa is me, so alone..glug, glug" Veronica equally weird with her, close my eyes and groove to the tune. ummm, little weird. The hand to her face, stroke of genius!!! Had me screaming!
+ Followed with devastation with the morning talk. UGGGGHH! RT! Logan appeared to be off the Kendall wagon. (Random note about this...Kendall really sux because she must have known about the whole Fitzpatrick tie to Logan's murder charge-right? Logan, Logan, Logan...why can't you be the good guy?)
Last note....so at the end, elevator doors closing, I swear I saw VM's eyes turn from the "I am so hurt" look to the "never again!" look. Logan is going to need to work overtime to fix this!
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Date: 2006-04-26 05:12 pm (UTC)Dohring nailed that scene. Every so often, he just sets the bar higher. I'm amazed at how good he can be. Not to mention the hipbones. *fangirly sigh*
I agree about Wallace and Jackie. I don't buy the Jackie turnaround-it's not organic. And I love Wallace, but they don't seem to know what to do with him besides making him a horndog.
I really hope that Meg isn't the one who gave it to Duncan. Her character has been assassinated enough, as it is. I liked "cartoon birds braided your hair Meg" better than "pregnant and in a coma and possibly STD afflicted Meg". Anyway, Duncan was fooling around with another girl in season 1-when he moaned Veronica's name. Who was that? And also in the flashback at the party, some girl was nibbling on his ear or something. So obviously, he was getting around after he broke up with Veronica. (But he's *so* pure.)
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Date: 2006-04-26 05:17 pm (UTC)I would be very surprised if there was any significant L/V progress for awhile. Logan's having a calm-before-the-storm moment, and there is much angst in his future. That's my prediction.
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Date: 2006-04-26 05:28 pm (UTC)Hello Logan hipbones...very nice!
Also, I loved how in a bunch of the Alterna-Prom scenes, Logan was in the hidden in the background totally checking out Veronica. Not to mention the welcome scene, where he likes what he sees and lets us know.
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Date: 2006-04-26 05:30 pm (UTC)Same here. I hated Logan in the first few episodes, and wondered why/how the heeeeeeell ANYONE would/could every ship Logan/Veronica.. :P
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Date: 2006-04-26 05:42 pm (UTC)I think Logan knows how much he cares about her when he is sober: just the way he looked at her when he invited her to alterna-prom, when he kept checking her out etc etc. And now he knows she cares.
I just wish we got to see what Logan was trying to say to Veronica before she wouldn't let him speak.
Yeah. Though I am not sure how much more angst and baring of hearts I could take.
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Date: 2006-04-26 05:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-04-26 05:44 pm (UTC)Yeah. He is so tentative and almost shy. He is afraid of getting burned again (and I can see why) but he can't help but try. I think that's why I love Logan so much: no matter how emotionally hurt he gets, he is willing to always put himself out there again.
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Date: 2006-04-26 05:48 pm (UTC)You could see that it was completely throwing her world off-kilter and she didn't know what to do with the revelation.
right up until he touched her and then she let out that breath and bolted. That's Veronica. But she came back! And broke my heart
Oh yes. I get knots in my stomach just thinking about it. And looking at jems' caps, when he leans in to kiss her, her eyes are closed. I just love that bit, somehow.
Not to mention the hipbones.
Do, do, do mention them :P
I love Wallace, but they don't seem to know what to do with him besides making him a horndog.
I've never been particularly interested in Wallace, not even in S1. Like him? Sure. But sweet, uncomplicated and nice don't usually make for good fiction (and hey, Logan agrees!) So lovelife or not, he is kinda dull to me, unless he is with Veronica or some other character I actively care about.
But he's *so* pure.
Like drain water.
But don't even get me started on the pure thing, or there will be a capslock of rage moment.
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Date: 2006-04-26 05:50 pm (UTC)Oh yes, I loved that you could see him watching her in the background. The boy is so far gone, it's not even funny.
Kendall really sux because she must have known about the whole Fitzpatrick tie to Logan's murder charge-right?
I think so. I don't think Kendall cares for anyone but Kendall (and possibly that Fitzpatrick guy she took a fall for).
"I am so hurt" look to the "never again!"
I hope not!
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Date: 2006-04-26 05:50 pm (UTC)Yes. Exactly. This moment just cemented to me how much Veronica never GOT IT before. Just now, she JUST NOW realized how he felt all along.
GOD, THE PAIN. My stomach seriously is still upset, like, I still want to throw up a little bit.
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Date: 2006-04-26 05:51 pm (UTC)Agreed. He is funny, but he has no place, really, not any more. I like seeing him and all, but can't imagine him in S3.
And yes on Butters. He does seem oddly prominent all of a sudden. I wouldn't mind seeing more of the boy.
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Date: 2006-04-26 05:54 pm (UTC)Just now, she JUST NOW realized how he felt all along.
And that is so crazy that she never realized it before, but entirely in character. She has such a hard time opening up and trusting her own instincts when it comes to Logan simply because he has the potential to hurt her so much. But if she never realized he loved her, her behavior the rest of the season all of a sudden makes so much more sense.
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Date: 2006-04-26 05:59 pm (UTC)YES AGAIN. That's exactly what I said to..somebody...last night--knowing that she didn't realize the depth of his feelings and how he felt about their relationship explains SO MUCH about her earlier this year. It explains why she was willing to invest so much in Duncan and why she seemed to shrug off Logan so easily. She never knew. Which is, of course, HEARTBREAKING.
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Date: 2006-04-26 06:02 pm (UTC)Your description gave me hope. The ball is in Logan's court and he can't just leave it like that.
She has never realized before that Logan loves her.
It's so true. I knew she didn't believe it in that car scene, but it's so clear that it hit her in this episode.
And, of course, Veronica has never seemed really good at confronting or admitting her own feelings, so when she puts herself out there for Logan, it hurts that more.
This show is so full of pain.
Thanks for your review! It made connections that I was still avoiding making because of the pain of that last scene.
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Date: 2006-04-26 06:14 pm (UTC)They have this thing where it's gender stereotypes reversed: she is the emotionally controlled one, the closed-off one, and he the emotional, open, vulnerable one.
Argh. Need more now. It's like crack.
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Date: 2006-04-26 06:38 pm (UTC)And I need more too. It is like crack. I'm going to end up watching this episode at least once a day until next Tusday.
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Date: 2006-04-26 07:10 pm (UTC)Because he needs love that badly. Which is so boyish and wonderful and heartbreaking. When you put it like that, it makes me want to hug him and bake him cookies, and scold Veronica for him.
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Date: 2006-04-26 10:39 pm (UTC)I think the real double whammy of that scene was that Veronica actually opened up and made herself vulnerable, which was an incredibly unusual thing for her to do and shows how important it was to her, and that she did so because she believed what Logan was telling her, that he wasn't about the bimbos, that she'd broken his heart, that he thought of them as epic. And while we know that Logan acts out with very poor judgment when he feels lost, Veronica already has serious trust issues--her life has taught her that starting out with the assumption that people are lying is usually the right way to go--and I don't think she's going to trust Logan again without a lot of water under the bridge.
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Date: 2006-04-26 11:32 pm (UTC)I think RT has been hanging out with Joss too much.
*hee hee hee*
The thought of the finale two episodes of the season makes my head explode in anticipation!!!!!!!! EEE!
Sorry for the lack of coherence!!
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Date: 2006-04-26 11:48 pm (UTC)And yeah, I am scaaaaaared of the finale.
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Date: 2006-04-26 11:50 pm (UTC)Agreed. I think her experience with Lianne taught her that when you trust you get hurt (and her experience with Duncan, who dumped her without explanation as well as her experience with Troy would have also helped). For her to open up this way was incredible and incredibly hard and she is bound to shut down after this latest 'proof' that her caution was right.
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Date: 2006-04-27 01:34 am (UTC)Also, with you on the LoVe Epic scene...I love that you broke it all down. :D
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Date: 2006-04-27 02:29 am (UTC)Truer words have never been spoken. Me too! Me too!
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Date: 2006-04-27 04:01 am (UTC)hipbones!!!!!
OMG yes. *drools* And his cute stubble.
That's all I can say for now because I'm pretty well speechless.
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