Musings of the Obsessive Kind

Yes, on rewatch of S1 I ended up skipping to V/L or Logan scenes. Can't help it. I really miss their interaction this season and hope they get more. Much more.

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Oh, my friend, we are so different, for I am one of utter ship devotion.

I mean, once I get OTPed, truly, I'm in for LIFE, more or less. I think it might be, because, for me, what makes something seriously MY SHIP is that moment of utter conviction that hits me that these two people MUST be in some fashion, always. That when it all comes down to it, I can never see them being as happy with anyone else, or having as nuanced or intense or sweet or whatever relationship with anyone else.

There's this paradigm of superlatives, I guess.

To me, Lee and Kara have something between them that's so thorny and intense and dangerous and intrinsic to who they are that they could never have it with anyone else. They could have things with other people, but they would never have that...IT.

My space hufflepuffs, Simon and Kaylee, are in their universe people of such unmatched devotion and just plain goodness, that something in me almost feels like other people would...taint them. It sounds strange, but there it is.

Even when I "go off" a ship for me, which pretty much means I'm not really talking about it or whatever anymore, or even am more or less over it in the sense that I'm not even drawn to think about it anymore, I STILL have somewhere within me that conviction that each person is something to the other that no one else in their universe is.

I don't actually have a ship like that for Veronica, an OTP. I ship Veronica/Logan, of course, I also ship Veronica/Duncan, and Veronica/Leo, and Veronica/Whoever Makes Her Happy at the Time. In fact, for instance, I'm much more invested in Veronica's relationship with Wallace than I am in any of her romantic relationships (OTBFF!), and that's not a burn on them, just an indication of how important Veronica-Wallace is to me. And this is because on VM there's never been anyone who I've looked at and felt like Veronica just HAD to be with them in the end. I feel like she and Wallace HAVE to be BFFs forevah.

So, yes. That was a long comment. All to conclude with: omg absence just makes my shippy heart grow fonder. And my shipping also tends to be deeply affected by my being totally in love with both involved parties. Which...might explain my lack of definitive ship for Veronica since as much as I love her boys to varying degrees I love Veronica much, much more than all of them. And quite possibly love Keith and Wallace more than all of them too. It is also probably why John/Aeryn still hasn't caught me.

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I just have to give the most massive shout out this this:

(OTBFF!)

I love Wallace! There should be an icon.

I friendship them so hard, I have to squeeze my eyes shut over it sometimes. Just kidding. I think.

I too, am able to ship my OTPs through hell and high water. But weirdly, I can sometimes still read other pairings on occasion while in my heart of hearts the shipping remains constant.

And I'm on the Veronica/Logan train still. Hell, I'll shovel the coal or whatever. I think I'm trying to make some kind of reference to old school trains like out of Buster Keaton films but I have no idea what I'm talking about really.

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I am really odd. I like Veronica/Wallace together, but I am not invested at all. If Wallace decided to move in with Daddy, I'd be mildly upset, but move on. Especially if V bonded with Weevil instead. I just find him nice but a bit dull. I am a bad bad bad girl.

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Yes. Yes, you are.

And omg no slash please. PEOPLE MIGHT MISINTERPRET IT! Veronica-Wallace!

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I love him enough for both of us. But I do like Weevil too.

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This is one, sorta!

Well, actually it's all in the keywords, but whatev!

I mean, I like Logan/Veronica. I'm just not like OMG THEY MUST BE! This is being helped along by the fact that she and Duncan are ridiculously cute together.

I am weird with multishipping. Some pairings I can do it for, but others: nope.

Also the nature of the other ships is a big part of it. Like outside of my sekrit OT3 that they are a part of I can't ship Simon and Kaylee seriously, like an actual relationship, with anyone else. Same thing with my pilots...which might mean that perhaps it's a trend. Which clearly comes back around to these pairings being OTP since I cannot seem to seperate them from each other even when I am tossing in other characters.

My mind works in mysterious ways! Or not. I dunno.

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Heeee. No, it all makes sense. If they are an OTP, I can't ship them with anyone else either (and Logan/Veronica are an OTP of mine). If, OTOH, they are like Boomer/Chief were, i.e. I shipped them but they weren't OTP, I don't care and I multi-ship.

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It depends for me too. I don't tend to have that many OTPs. And it's all very complicated since I tend to ship pairings where everything is totally conflicted and messed up (Spike/Buffy, Mal/Inara, Logan/Veronica).

I think that in terms of fanfic, I actually try to consider pairings that split up my OTP because I'm trying to be openminded or open to new things but in the end it's just hard for me. Maybe I'm embarrassed of my quite such the rabid shipper girl that I am?

And often if my OTP is being separated then the other half of the pairing has to either have not existed yet or be very respectfully dealt with.

For example, reading Spike stories before he came to Sunnydale or the recent rash of crossovers where he ends up on Serenity centuries after he has lovingly laid Buffy to rest, etc.

Or in some cases, I've been happier to see one half of the pairing die and the other grieve and then move on than to see them actually break up. That's a little twisted but this is fiction.

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That's interesting, and makes perfect sense. However, for me, John/Aeryn is my all time OTP, so if they broke up and/or died I would probably cease watching. They are what made the show for me, one of those rare cases where I'd watch any interaction of theirs and slurp it up.

Re: Veronica Mars. I am a shipper by default, apparently. And Veronica/Logan really grabbed me last season. I loved their chemistry and their interaction, but what usually sells me on a ship is the concept (in my head) behind it, and I loved the whole "Veronica finds a boyfriend who makes her happy and who can keep up with her mentally and who'll stand up to the 09ers for her" and "Logan finds someone to love him and be happy with and drag him out of his horrible life, who is strong and honest." And I don't see other characters on the show fitting this for them, so I only ship them together. Of course, it also has to do with Logan being my favorite character. I want him to have what makes him (non-self-destructively) happy, and it my stubborn little head it's Veronica. And I don't think any other guy on the show fits Veronica better, either. Of course, YMMV, but that's how it works for me :)

So if they are not together, and I am not shipping them, it feels a bit off: Veronica with Duncan bores me. She might be happy, but from m knowledge of her character that just seems bizarre and I lose interest. Veronica with most other characters would do the same. It doesn't mean I can't see her with someone other than Logan: I adored Troy before we found out he was a drug dealer, though. He was smart and charming and didn't care about 09er opinion, like Logan, but he didn't have Logan's issues. It's just there isn't anyone currently on the show who could do a "Troy" and plus I've already got sort of invested in Logan.

OK, this is a real ramble going nowhere, so I better stop :)

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They are what made the show for me, one of those rare cases where I'd watch any interaction of theirs and slurp it up.

This is me and my pilots.

dearladydisdain and I were actually discussing the other day how though it's good and we like it, we don't so much think of BSG as "our show" (Firefly is. Veronica Mars is. But BSG isn't quite there.) as much as we think of Lee and Kara as our pilots. They supercede the show in our minds!

And this again goes back to the whole character love thing. Because, as is clear to anyone who talks to me for more than three seconds: I love Lee Adama. A lot. But what is less clear because I don't blabber on about it nearly as much is the fact that I love Kara just as much. So, as much as I love other people on the show and other things, those two in any interaction, in any context, make the show for me.

re: L/V, D/V.

See it's funny you should mention that, because I find Logan/Veronica most interesting when they're at each other's throats and snarking and whatnot. When they're being all schmoopy I'm just sort of like, "Meh." And I don't think I view their relationship and what it does for them in the same way that you do at all, because on many levels I feel like their romantic relationship wasn't actually all that good for either of them. Not that that's ever stopped me from shipping anyone before, but it is why I don't see them as IT for each other.

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because I find Logan/Veronica most interesting when they're at each other's throats and snarking and whatnot. When they're being all schmoopy I'm just sort of like, "Meh."

The thing is, they were snarky with others, so I don't have to have them snark at each other. I think they were too busy groping to snark much at the other :P Plus, they can grope and snark at the same time, hopefully :)

I don't think their romantic relationship was good for the other necessarily: Veronica was too control freak and Logan too codependent. In fact, if they do get together in the future, it is likely to be healthier than what they had. But hey, that doesn't stop the shipping. I love Kara/Lee but I don't think they'd be that good for each other, off the bat. Kara has emotional, unworthiness issues and she is all about the personal while Lee is about ideals. In some ways, I could see him having a conversation about what makes him tick, internally, easier with Laura than with Kara. But I ship them anyway, because they are fucked up but compatible over-all and with work, could get there. And then there is the crazy chemistry and angst. Which is how I think of Logan and Veronica, come to think of it. Not perfect for each other. But could be.

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As is the case with me often, I ship Veronica and Logan not for what they did have but for what they could have (i.e. if she learned to trust, etc.).

And they can have such snarky, gooey love in fanfic. ::sighs::

Same with Spike and Buffy. Although there were hints. If you mix up certain aspects of S5, S6, and S7 and mix them up in a cauldron, you get my Spike and Buffy. It almost never happened all at the same time on the show.

And then there's always the hotness. And the drama.

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Yes! Yes! That's me, too. I ship them for their what could have been. As with Spike and Buffy--Veronica and Logan have that heat, that intensity, that defies all logic.

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what they could have been

Defies all logic is right. Although I suppose I could pull some out of my ass if necessary.

And here's hoping for ....what could BE.

I'm pretty certain that some form of Logan/Veronica will come back because you don't have a love triangle like that and let it be. Besides there are hints (really, there are). I just hope that they use this added friction to add drama to some kind of real getting together that isn't too easy and unbelievable.

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I can't help you!!!! I'm very fickle - I feel very intensely for shows and ships and then when the latest obsession grabs me, I blow away in the wind until something rekindles the flame.

To be honest, I know exactly why you're in that space and that's kind of why I'm not watching the series until have something tangibly coo-worthy to coo over ... I'm sorry I can't help you but you are looking at the most fickle person in the world ;) You don't now how many times I've obsessively raved on about a show, got a whole bunch of friends hooked, supplied them with episodes and THEN gone off to another show leaving them high and dry and without a source for episodes ;) ....... (In Australia we're often 1-2 seasons behind the US)

It's no wonder you threatened me with delisting ;)

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I'm very fickle - I feel very intensely for shows and ships and then when the latest obsession grabs me, I blow away in the wind until something rekindles the flame.

Any chance we were separated at birth? :)

I am not worried about my L/V ship stuff because I am sure they'll have more interaction and if they do I'll jump back on the train, it's just weird to be so intensely into them and then go lukewarm. As I said, I usually watch my shows when they are already on DVD, seasons at a time, so this pacing thing is really new to me and it's kinda odd...

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Aww, you are not off the train, you are just on a bread ;) Plus not every couple can break up the Max/Liz way.

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break, break, break, grrrr.

(though bread is fun, too)

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And of course, Veronica Mars is a mystery show, unlike Roswell, which was a relationship drama, with Max and Liz being equally the main characters, so it's understandable the show would dwell more on the ship, as the ship IS the show. Of course, I also watched Roswell Season 2 in about 2 days, so that helped immensely. It's the whole stringing it out week after week that makes me lose attention (I am not made for TV it seems).

Though we couldn't have Max/Liz heartbreak on this show anyway, too OOC. Max and Liz are very young and "innocent" and totally committed to each other (heck, they are the only couple where when they got married at 18 it really made sense). If Logan came to pick Veronica up and saw her in bed with Duncan, he wouldn't slink off, but there's be a huge and entertaining scene (and if they weren't together at the time, he'd probably snark and be upset but no falling apart for the boy)...

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I think this is probably why I consider the Wallace/Veronica friendship my main OTP (as a friendship). In a "Boyfriends come and go, but BFFs stay forever". Veronica/Logan might have the spark, but I have a really hard time seeing them in the forever way (even though I'm willing to concede that they definitively deserve some more time together).

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But do friends really stay forever? I can easily see Wallace and Veronica drift apart as they go to different colleges, choose different paths in life and what not. Happens to many a close friendship.

I can also see Logan/Veronica working out long term. Or it could implode spectacularly. Neither the friendship nor the love is guaranteed to work out forever. It may, or may not. I guess I am more interested in romance. And I also find Logan a lot more interesting than Wallace.

Because if we are thinking forever bond, the only one that's going to stick for sure is Keith and Veronica's. And that's nice and I like it. But if the show revolved just around that, I'd be bored.

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It might just be a LoganFF vs. VeronicaFF (FF=Fan First). I think I just don't buy that Veronica loves him nearly enough. I think she wants him and there is a big connection (not to mention pity), but I'm just not getting the great love vibe from her.

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Oh, I agree about Veronica not being madly in love with Logan. I don't think she's Bollywooded about him :P Might in the future, might not. I guess the possibility of it is enough for me (I shipped Kara/Lee on BSG before I went a bit lukewarm and they didn't even kiss at the time and were just Best Friends with Subtext. So no full-on Max/Liz Romeo/Juliet thing necessary).

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I think I just might have not enough patience with those kind of things. At least on tv. :) I kind of like clear fronts.

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I know you like pre-established couples and don't like UST. But I am the other way around :)

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Actually you don't ;) You just like UST when you know if it pays off. :p

Me, I don't care if UST pays off or not. UST for the sake of UST always annoys me.

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But the aaaaaangst! It brings on the aaaaaaangst! :P

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Naw it's just lousy communication. ;)

Or I'm just a sucker for supportive relationships. Where they can angst too but over, you know, things. Like the world ending, fighting evil, whatever occupies them.

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Yeah, but that is boooooooooring :) (I love my extra vowels).

I want them to angst over each other. Heee.

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I don't like angsting over each other because it always implies to me that they don't know each other or are, well, stupid. Both things that would throw me off rooting for a couple.

It's the infamous "They are their own worst enemies". Many people like that. But for me it's something I just can't feel sorry for. Because it strikes me as stupid.

If they angst over each other for multiple episodes I can only conclude that they must be exceptionally dense. (and cowardish if they don't have the guts to just go and ask the other person about what they are feeling)

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Given that Rob Thomas said that they were going to "use Logan to death" this sesason, I'd say that good 'ol Veronica/Logan interaction will be back before long. (This based on no spoilers, so you could know something I don't.)

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