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Have just finished ep 4 of Faith and a proper post with caps coming but that flashback was the most heartbreaking, appalling thing ever. It explains so much about CY, especially his death wish.

Also, this continues hurt/comfort central.

But ultimately: Choi Min Soo!!!! They freaking got Choi Min Soo to do a cameo! Asdffghjk!


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Date: 2012-08-22 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleobulle.livejournal.com
Looks like your addiction is still going strong^^

LMH's character is going to be the reason I continue watching Faith. He's really well-written.

Re-flashback... Do you think Girl!Ninja was his girlfriend like everybody seems to believe? I got brother/sister vibes from them but that might be wishful thinking.

Date: 2012-08-22 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I did not get romantic vibes at all - he did say commander was like his father and other warriors like his siblings. I know kdramas love their incest but it would be a bit weird :) Plus, if she left the service at some point it couldn't have been a love situation (and if she died, I'd think it would be a big part of the grudge but it is not shown).

Basically, nothing makes me think more than friends and I wouldn't even care if they were, I just don't see it.

Date: 2012-08-22 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleobulle.livejournal.com
Glad to see I'm not alone there.

After all the girlfriend talk I've been seeing on the web, I was starting to wonder if I might have missed something.

I wonder if she died or if she became the new leader of their ninja group. As I recall, the commander introduced her as the 3rd in command. Since I presume Young was the 2nd in command, that would make her the de facto leader if she's still alive.

Date: 2012-08-22 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Well, people are talking about Nogook being in love with CY ad I don't see that at all (and apparently, historical Gongmin and Nogook has an unusually close marriage) so I think people just love seeing shipping everywhere.

They said this group doesn't exist any more so I doubt she is a leader - especially since it was indicated the surviving members became the King's guard though now only CY is left in the palace.

Date: 2012-08-22 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleobulle.livejournal.com
I just assumed that the ones who left would have assembled again but it's true that it's not explicitly said. Maybe they didn't and they just scattered.

Yeah, I saw that talk about the Queen having a crush on Young. It seems so obvious to me that she's crazy in love with the king that I was just left scratching my head. But I do think the drama is trying (not very subtly) to confuse us. Maybe it'll be a source of conflict between the king ang Young later on if he believes his wife favors his trusted general.

Date: 2012-08-22 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I don't even think the drama is trying to confuse us - I think a lot of fans just see shipping everywhere. Btw, did you know that Gongmin was the King in that Frozen Flower movie? If the drama makers decided to follow that narrative, the King would be a lot more jealous of the affections if CY and not his Queen :)

I think we were told that the k-ninjas don't exist any more.
Edited Date: 2012-08-22 04:10 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-22 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleobulle.livejournal.com
I didn't know about the Frozen Flower thing until I read the posts about it on Soompi. My knowledge of the Goryo era is spotty at best.

Do you know if Frozen Flower is based on facts?

I got the impression Gongmin was kind of attracted to his queen so I don't think they'll be taking the gay route but who knows?

BTW, I saw while reading the other posts that you heard about the 5F debacle. I'm of two minds about this. I won't comment on SBS's decision because the whole thing is too tangled and shady. But, re-actress change:

*Yay. The other actress kind of grated on my nerves in all her previous projects and I would vastly prefer to see JSY opposite JJH. Plus their age difference would amp the forbidden love factor and I could get behind that.

*Nay. I really wanted Mok Dan to "come back" in the last episodes. She gets even less screentime than some secondary characters these days. But if JSY is able to take on another role while still filming Gaksital, it must mean that she won't have that many scenes left to do. Here goes my last hope.

*Off to watch Arang ep 3 RAW while waiting for the english translation of Gaksital*

Date: 2012-08-22 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I am pretty sure they won't be getting into Frozen Flower stuff not because it's untrue (because it kinda is true) but due to timelines - wiki tells me Gongmin and Nogook had an unusually happy marriage and he refused to take on concubines even when she couldn't produce a child. He was also apparently a big reformer (probably helped tht he had CY to suppress nobles rebelling). This all went on until Nogook died after 16 years of marriage in childbirth (the child was dead as well). That's when Gongmin went to pieces, lost interest in stuff and also started having affairs with men (I suppose he must have been bisexual or it would have been a hell of an identity crisis). One of his guards/boyfriends who was sleeping with one of his concubines teamed up with her to kill the king because they were scares of being found out.

So unless our doctor is going to stay in the past a hell of a lot longer than she logically could, I doubt the drama would get into that.

I liked Eunjung OK but I like JSY better. Still, in childhood portions she and JJH are the same age so it will be odd.
Edited Date: 2012-08-22 04:33 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-22 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleobulle.livejournal.com
That history stuff is very interesting. I didn't know anything about it. I think you're right, we're not going to stay with the characters long enough for the drama to address that.

I haven't started watching 5F so I didn't know the characters are supposed to be the same age. I can see how JSY/JJH could be awkward. I guess we'll just have to suspend disbelief.

On another note, the wonderful Svetik has just posted the most gorgeous and touching MV about the relationship between Kang To and Shunji. It's a must watch:

Such a complex and heart-breaking relationship. She captured it perfectly. If it wasn't choke-full of spoilers for episodes 1-22, I'd show it to everyone I know to entice them to watch the drama.

Date: 2012-08-22 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
That MV is amazing!

The age thing - well, she is supposed to be the same age as Joo Won in BM so she's working her way up? Perhaps soon she will play someone the same age as Lee Byung Hun :)

After reading all this history stuff, I am even more obsessed with Faith.

Date: 2012-08-22 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I still haven't watch faith yet because sageuk tend to not be my cup of tea. Just like I can't even finish 4 episodes of The moon that embraces the sun.

I feel bad for Eunjung because I liked her in Coffee House better than PSY, but it was really because of the character itself. She may not be the best actress but SBS is just wrong to pull her out because of the scandal, especially when promo shoots are done and she rejected other lead roles for this role.

But also, i feel that T-ara shouldn't air their dirty laundry on twitter which is so PUBLIC, they should know better what kind of consequences it will lead to. Anyways, even though I'm not a big fan of T-ara, I just think that the cyber bullying should stop. I think it's the way their CEO is handling things that made the whole fiasco worse.

But if Jin Se Yeon is taking up the role, YAY!!! I like her from My daughter is flower too and gaksital, her management is good to get her projects nonstop but i bet the girl is super tired. Her role in Gaksital is not that huge and that show is ending so I hope she can still participate in 5F but at the same time, i feel that she needs rest too. So conflicted about JSY taking up the role in 5F. I hope the t-ara fans don't bash her for taking up the role.

Date: 2012-08-22 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I don't have much opinion on the scandal as I don't follow kpop and thus haven't paid much attention but it has got to suck to be Eunjung.

If JSY takes it, it means she would have acted with both JW and JJH. All she needs is LMH and my trifecta of face young actors is complete.

Date: 2012-08-22 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleobulle.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm afraid she'll get bashed as well. I've already read some pretty nasty messages about JSY on the web and I hope it won't become too wide-spread. This could end up being a really bad move on her part. I hope it won't hurt her career.
Edited Date: 2012-08-22 09:05 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-22 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The flashback was heart crushing!!!!! I actually couldn't watch the screen during the scene in the palace. That was awful!

I warmed up on Faith... I was wondering if I would go on after the first ep. but yesterday I binged on the folowing three eps (ep 4 mostly raw on Viki...)
LOL

Emma

Date: 2012-08-22 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
He was so happy and full of life before. But realizing that he fought and bled and had his comrades die for an utter degenerate who mocked them, almost violated his friend and killed his father figure, and to whom he had to swear fealty and pretty much be a slave to, all the while knowing how unworthy the King was - and to do that not out of misguided loyalty but to save his comrades - that's going to fuck you up for life, especially since he knew his honor would bind him to serve unless he is released no matter how much he hated it or even if there was no one of his comrades left to protect.

He really must hate the monarchy.

I hope Eun Soo and having a worthy king will bring him out of his given-up on life self and five him some happiness and something to live for.
Edited Date: 2012-08-22 03:53 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-22 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
OTT but have you heard that 5F just dropped Eunjung just a day before shooting? And guess who they rope in to replace her, it's Jin Se Yeon aka Mokdan *tear out hair*

Date: 2012-08-22 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I've heard and that is totally insane!!! Not to mention JSY is still in the middle of filming Gaksital, how can she star in two dramas at once?

Date: 2012-08-22 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
i seriously think this is bad career move on JSY's part but what do i know...

one possibility that DB threw out is that MD gets killed before the finale. if they even so much as think of going there, I'm throwing all my love out the window and get out, seriously! *shudder*

but on positive side, she could be like JW, juggling 1N2D with drama filming...

Date: 2012-08-22 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I doubt the writers of Gaksital are going to kill off their lead when they weren't planning to and screw their story just so she could act elsewhere.

I think JSY is a bit young to act as someone JJH's age.

I don't want JJH comeback to be screwed up so I do hope rhu find a heroine.

Date: 2012-08-22 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] threebits.livejournal.com
I've read somewhere that her shooting would overlap at a week at most, so 5F would most probably either extend the childhood phase or introduce her character at a later ep, say, ep 7.

but godfuckingdamnit this is so frustrating... sbs and the actors didn't even KNOW eunjung was gonna be removed until it came out in the news -_- sponsors are apparently threatening to pull out or something :|

i was hoping 5F would be eunjung's chance at recovering whatever she can from her messed-up career but now even that is taken away :|
Edited Date: 2012-08-22 07:20 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-23 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
This is an insane way to handle it - very unprofessional. This scandal is not new so they should have either stuck with her or let her go weeks ago.

I feel awful for Eunjung - yikes.

Date: 2012-08-22 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thinking-lotus.livejournal.com
LOL when I saw that I KNEW you would love it ♥

Date: 2012-08-22 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
It's like somebody took my id, asked it what it wanted, and then wrote a drama to specs. When he collapsed and she dropped her priceless vase? Eee!

Also, I cannot describe how much I love that her nickname for him is "psycho"

Date: 2012-08-22 10:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] craxycat-76.livejournal.com
They got my crush to be in this!! Ahh! IDK what I am going to do with myself, LMH is crush worthy, but CMS is just awesome on so many levels. I am appalled at this flashback IDK if I am going to be able to watch it all the way through...oh lord I HATE the king.

*growls*

Date: 2012-08-23 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I am so glad that King died. I hope the Yuan disemboweled him.

CMS = my ultimate ahjusshi crush.

Date: 2012-08-23 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sanaenam.livejournal.com
Choi Min Soo in Sandglass = my heart broke. Have you seen Father's House with CMS and Kim Soo Hyun? Awesome.

Date: 2012-08-23 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I confess to disliking KSH (I know, I know) so I haven't watched it. I am a bad fan.

CMS = pure amazingness.

Date: 2012-08-23 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sanaenam.livejournal.com
I'm not a fan of Kim Soo Hyun either, but Father's House is totally worth it for Choi Min Soo. It's more about CMS's character than KSH's. Totally heartbreaking. Can't there be a CMS vehicle in which he gets his happily ever after?

Date: 2012-08-23 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I am sure there must be something, but I haven't seen it yet...

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