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Recent scouring of amazon for period novels brought forth the following:

1. I cannot resist any book involving Rupert of the Rhine. I blame reading Margaret Irwin's The Stranger Prince during my formative years. I mean, normally I at least read the reviews first before buying a book, but throw in "Rupert, civil war, battles, and some romance" and I click "purchase" like a Pavlovian dog.

2. There is apparently a whole sub genre of novels about ladies who married Elizabeth I's boyfriends. Ummm...

3. It is impossible to find a good pirate novel that doesn't involve heaving bosoms and coy references to fleshly swords. I love romance novels but seriously - just one (in print, available on Kindle) pirate novel that doesn't fall into that genre, please! I can find few scenarios less appealing that being stuck, seasick, with a man who likely has both a death warrant and pubic lice.

4. I am still obsessed with reading books on Richard III but remain confused by the "did he off the princes in the tower" fixation books about him have (good or bad) - umm, he could have, who cares? Medieval (and after) kings were all a nasty lot and did a lot worse to stay in power - look at Henry VIII wholesale rooting out of anyone with any claim to the crown or the whole Richard II/Henry IV thing.

Date: 2012-07-25 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muffinkath7.livejournal.com
I love Richard III. I think it's Shakespeare's railroading of him as Tudor propaganda that upsets most Richardians. You're right that it doesn't really matter who did it, either Henry VII or Richard might have. Have you read "The Daughter of Time" by Josephine Tey? It's the Richardian Bible on this. Awesome, awesome book.

Date: 2012-07-25 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I love Daughter of Time!!!

Yeah, the propaganda is obnoxious but I guess I wouldn't hold it against him even if he did kill the princes because medieval monarch doesn't share modern morality. Man made a good king and was at least as honorable as your average medieval nobleman, so I don't know - I guess I am trying to say I'd love him whether he killed the princes or not.
Edited Date: 2012-07-25 03:06 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-07-25 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stardreemer.livejournal.com
I think what makes Richard III so fascinating is that no one knows, and he never confessed or denied that he did anything. Other kings were pretty vocal about their wrong doings (or vocal about denying they did anything), but Richard was silent on the subject. Add to it the fact that the princes just up and disappeared makes the whole thing interesting.

Anyway...on to pirates! Have you read "Frenchman's Creek" by Daphne du Maurier? It is kind of a romance, but not the heaving bosoms kind.

Date: 2012-07-25 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I love FC! Even though the ending makes me :( It makes sense, it just makes me :(

Richard never had the time to confirm or deny - he only reigned for a few years. Who knows how the issue would have come up (or not) if he ruled for twenty.

Date: 2012-07-25 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stardreemer.livejournal.com
Yeah, I didn't like the ending either, but it did make sense. Though really she didn't seem all that attached to her life, so I don't think it would have been big of a leap for her to take off with him, though I know that wouldn't really fit in with the time period.

And that is what makes it such a great mystery! The whole 'what if' of the situation. The whole thing just fascinates me; add into that the whole Tudor propaganda and it's just a whole big pile of we will never know. Love it! :)

Date: 2012-07-25 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] algelic.livejournal.com
I have a huge pile of books waiting to be read. And I've been looking forward to reading them for so long!

But for some reason my attention span has been SO SHORT that I can't even finish the first page. :(

Date: 2012-07-25 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I get like this sometimes so I sympathize

Date: 2012-07-25 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com
There is apparently a whole sub genre of novels about ladies who married Elizabeth I's boyfriends. Ummm...

*sporfle*

Have you read Captain Blood? I haven't read it myself, but I hear it's the pirate novel.

Date: 2012-07-25 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I read Captain Blood when I was a kid and I think that is the book that accounts for my fixation with blue eyes :)

Date: 2012-07-25 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com
This tickles me, I don't know why. Is it good? I'd also love to read a non-heaving-bosom pirate book.

Date: 2012-07-25 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
It's super good. I had a crush on Blood for years...

Date: 2012-07-25 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] penny-lane-42.livejournal.com
I will have to check it out, then.

Date: 2012-07-25 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charlie-bz.livejournal.com
Have you read Valerie Sherwood's books? She has lots about pirates (or, rather, buccaneers) and while bosoms are heaving, the stories are really good. Most take place in the 1660's.

Or, Johanna Lindsey's pirate books.

Or, Laurie McBain.

Or, Kathleen Woodiwiss' Shana which is not strictly a pirate book but there are pirates.

All the above are 80's historical novels so the hero's are pure alpha and there's some non-con and other stuff. I used to love pirate romances and there were lots and lots but other than the above, I can't remember a single author.

Date: 2012-07-25 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Oooh, thanks for the recs! I don't mind pure alpha stuff...

Date: 2012-07-25 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cecilialambiel.livejournal.com
About the pirate novel, have you tried Till Dawn Tames the Night by Meagan McKinney. I don't know if it's available on Kindle, though. And then maybe Thief of Hearts by Teresa Medeiros. Those are, actually, the only two pirate novel I've ever liked.

Date: 2012-07-25 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cecilialambiel.livejournal.com
I almost forgot Only with Your Love by Lisa Kleypas.

Date: 2012-07-25 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Thank you! And thank you for Kleipas rec. I didn't read much of her stuff, but what I did, I liked.

Date: 2012-07-25 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mainemilyhoon.livejournal.com
The only pirate romance I've ever read was "Pirate", by Fabio. It was terrible, but I was 13 and didn't care. I wish the library still had it so I could laugh over it without having to buy the silly thing! :-P

Have you ever read any of Susanna Kearsley's books? Hers aren't really historical so much as time travel (The Rose Garden, probably my favorite and so wonderfully romantic) or reincarnation (Mariana, also good) or past-life memories (The Winter Sea, ALSO also good), but she manages to do it in a non-cheesy, non-hokey way that I love. She has one coming out next spring called The Firebird that has characters from The Winter Sea and is set partly in Russia, and I can't wait to read it!

Date: 2012-07-25 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Oooooh, I love time travel, will def. check it out. Thank you!

Date: 2012-07-26 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ulkis.livejournal.com
2. There is apparently a whole sub genre of novels about ladies who married Elizabeth I's boyfriends. Ummm...

weird. I barely care about Elizabeth's boyfriends when she's dating them, let alone when they're with other people. (For some reason I can't peg, I've never really been interested in Leicester, even though usually I'd be all over a forbidden love story like theirs.)

Date: 2012-07-27 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I don't find Elizabeth I herself that interesting - smart and strong but not a great fictional subject.

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