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Best Episode yet. Even if by now I believe the entire cast needs to go either to a regular hospital, a mental hospital, jail, or some combo thereof.



The scene where he gives the market folks their papers and the man who burned his house down thanks him (ah, the irony), I get such a feeling that Kang To is doing all this for his brother - he's acting the way his brother would have, and accepts the thanks for him.





It's interesting to see Shunji's last ditch attempt to protect Mok Dan, his futile gasps of not being evil. But of course, with his father, this is fruitless. Daddy orders Shunji to slit either her throat or his own heart. WTF psycho! I dislike Shunji but I feel horrid for him here, looking like a lost kid.

I love that Damsari et. al. are wondering if Kang To is Gaksital only to dismiss it because Damsari saw KT and Gaksital in one place. Hmmmm. Of course, they are also plotting to kill Kang To, so this will be interesting.

I love how happy KT is to go to the circus (he's mellowed out in general - watch him see Abe play) and I cracked up when Mok Dan was all "I'll suck up to him so he'll stick around and not bother Damsari" and then starts wondering "How do I get Kang To to stay by my side?" Oh, all you have to do is breathe, girl. And awww, he's so excited when it seems she missed him. OTP! And then he's flirting! hH's asking her out omfg! (though of course he was not dancing all night as he was being Gaksital). And then there is staring at her in the mirror, omo. And the inevitable cuffs - this drama seems majorly into bdsm. Also, dude, stop doing the 'I am big bad evil Japanese person' speech - not the way to woo her. But the thing is, it all has no anger behind it now but she doesn't know him well enough to tell.


























She plans to kill him. Best OTP ever! But...Doesn't she wonder why he doesn't relatiate? But I guess he used to early on and she hasn't processed the change. But the poor dude is so hurt she tried to kill him. And then we get the stare-down over the murder attempt but to Shunji it must look like over love.




















Shunji, how dare you hit an ahjumma? I fucking hate you - go on, big brave man, hit an old woman because she voices your own doubts and self-hatred.

And then he points sword at Mok Dan. Dude, you are DONE. I love that SHE HAS INSANO GUTS though. And OMFG, Kang To was going to shoot Shunji because he thought he was going to hurt Mok Dan. Even though that is Shunji and it would completely out him. But hooray for Shunji, he only has her arrested. What a great humanitarian.























I love the scene in the car, with Kang To being very contained but you can see how he is panicking and miserable to see her arrested, in cuffs, having to take her to the station because to refuse would be to out himself - and to know Mok Dan is going through this to protect him, even though she doesn't know it's him.









Kishokai chair is so smart - he first controlled Rie through terror and now pride. And of course she'll be hunting Gaksital now. Hmmm. Btw, I know everyone loves Rie but I don't. She's pretty and smart but evil, i.e., not my thing.






You know, her being chained up like that and questioned is going to confirm Mok Dan's worldview that there is no point being friendly with anyone even remotely connected to the regime because eventually they will all turn into monsters. And yeah, she got chained on Kang To's orders (while he's freaking out inside) but she already views him as dirt. But it's the fact that Shunji ordered it that is the real kicker. As I commented earlier, when KT had her dragged into the police station, she was a random rabble-rouser to him. The moment he learned who she was, he'd never thought of hurting a hair on her head, despite his conversations. But Shunji knows who she is - supposedly the love of his life, and has no problem chaining her up. If he's willing to do it to his most important person, he truly is a monster. (The thing is, even when he was good, he always came across as malleable to me, much more so than Kang To who stubbornly went his own way in everything, so it's not surprising the environment and Daddy are turning him into something entirely else really quick).








OMFG, the scene when he telling her torture survival tips and telling her to give in to torture and scream and tell them everything about Bridal Mask and, of course she thinks he's telling her to betray her hero because he's a Japanese flunkie, without realizing he's giving her carte blanche to sell him out - OMFG. And of course, he asks her again 'do you really not know me?' and it's such a loaded question because he doesn't just mean her first love this time, he asks her if she really doesn't know he's Gaksital and...my heart.
































Meeep, Goiso told Shunji that KT reached for his gun to protect Mok Dan! Shunji is going to realize KT loves her. Hmmm. Seeing he's a psychopath now, not so good. What he sees doesn't help. Btw, that's some awesome protecting you are doing now, psycho Shunji!











FUCCCCCCCK HE HITS HER! OK, I want someone to slowly gut you. I don't even care if Kang To gets out of this alive, as long as someone stabs you in the face, psycho sick bastard! I love how KT surges forward and then has to stop himself. And then Shunji orders Kang To to whip Mok Dan until she reveals Gaksital's name, which is so fucked up I have no words. They are officially the most fucked-up OTP in existence (and somewhere a BDSM person is really enjoying this) and also Shunji must die in a horrible horrible way, please! I bet he's getting extra kicks because he knows KT likes her and thinks she might like him back. Also, genius - what if she doesn't know the name?
























































Holy Fuck, Kang To looks like he wants to die, but he whips her?! UMMMMM WHUT!!! I officially just want every male character in this to die except Damsari. I mean, I know why he does it - it's not like anyone will let her go if he betrays himself, it will actually probably be worse for everyone, but still WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK.










































OK, psychopath Shunji - was it some sort of insane game of chicken, seeing how he looks appalled Kang To followed orders? If that was your way of finding out whether KT likes her, you are a sick sick fuck.














Is that Rie?! Masquerading as a nun in a holding cell to get info from Mok Dan?!











Rie holding Mok Dan in mock comfort is horrifying.





Oh, poor Kang To, you feel so bad! I don't give a fuck! Grrrrrrrr. OTOH, his pit of self-loathing now must be the size of the Indian Ocean.

















Every time I see Shunji now, I want to stab him.

YESSSS, Kang To wrote a letter of resignation and smacked it on Shunji's desk. Way to go! And he makes it about not being allowed on the Gaksital case so...ooooh, clever. "Do you think I came this far just to torture a wench whom you love in your place, Superintendant?" MMMMMM, buuuurn.























And of course Shunji asks for his help to catch Gaksital. I love the self-loathing bitter look on Kang To's face...And he hits Shunji, not for reasons Shunji thinks. (For the record, I don't think the letter was a ploy - he couldn't give the real reason for resignation of course. But once Shunji offered, he couldn't not stay on due to it being great information-gathering position, even though you see him hating himself for it).























Only in this drama would the OTP interaction be Kang To watching beaten-up and bloodied Mok Dan sleep behind bars. While sort of crying over the injuries he gave her. Of course, since Rie is there, she is going to figure out he loves her. By this point, everyone will know except Mok Dan herself.












































Something tells me Mok Dan is going to despise Shunji a lot more than she does Kang To, because she never expected anything decent from the latter, but the former was her friend who claimed he was oh-so-different.






Shunji, the fact that you have the gall to talk to Mok Dan about protecting her and then blames her for the fact that he had her whipped and makes it all about himself - oh, seriously, why has nobody killed you yet? You give me indigestion every time you appear on the screen.











I love it when she tells him off. I love even more that Shunji looks shocked - brain trust, what did you expect?











Rie is a slap-happy psycho. Oh God, I love this drama but hate most of the characters.











"I think I am becoming weird because of Gaksital" - Shunji, that's the understatement of the century. Especially since he then says he's isn't sure if he loves Mok Dan, but he's sure he'd kill Gaksital in front of her eyes if he caught him. Yo, psych ward called, they want their fave patient back!








Lamest assassination attempt ever.








Shunji is now having a good time whipping people. That's quite a trip from a gentle elementary school teacher. I knew he was a Kimura.





Holy fuck, the captive wasn't answering Kang To about the leader so he took an insane risk and put on Gaksital costume (thankfully after knocking captive out). Inside the police station! Insane! I love you!




































Hmmm, preview makes me nervous because Mok Dan seems to confess the plan to the 'nun.' Oh no!

Btw, after this episode, I am angry at Kang To - I don't care what sort of situation he was in - whipping Mok Dan is unacceptable. I don't want him to be happy with her - I want him to suffer and suffer and suffer. And get an epic beating himself. I might reconsider if he saves her life at the risk of his own. 'Might' being the operative word.


I need tomorrow's ep!

Date: 2012-07-05 11:27 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think Kang To was shocked at himself for choosing to whip Mok Dan so as not to give rise to any suspicion that he might be on her side or worse connected with Gaksital. He is slowly realising the hard choices Kang San had to make in the name of noble cause, like sacrificing their family's well-being by acting as an idiot, sacrificing Kang To, his beloved brother, to work for the Japanese since he himself cannot provide for the family, sacrificing their mother so that his secret of being Gaksital will not be revealed.

Kang To is not there yet as he was ready to take out the gun when all thought Shunji might kill Mok Dan with the sword. But he was willing to let her get tortured or actually worse, torture her so that the his loyalty to S will not be questioned. I wonder why he made all those fuss about removing his jacket, unbutton his collar and crack the whip in the air. To frighten her or S? To make her say something so this will end or S to give in? Anything otherwise will mean he is a nutcase too. The psycho ward is crowded.

Date: 2012-07-05 11:27 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think Kang To was shocked at himself for choosing to whip Mok Dan so as not to give rise to any suspicion that he might be on her side or worse connected with Gaksital. He is slowly realising the hard choices Kang San had to make in the name of noble cause, like sacrificing their family's well-being by acting as an idiot, sacrificing Kang To, his beloved brother, to work for the Japanese since he himself cannot provide for the family, sacrificing their mother so that his secret of being Gaksital will not be revealed.

Kang To is not there yet as he was ready to take out the gun when all thought Shunji might kill Mok Dan with the sword. But he was willing to let her get tortured or actually worse, torture her so that the his loyalty to S will not be questioned. I wonder why he made all those fuss about removing his jacket, unbutton his collar and crack the whip in the air. To frighten her or S? To make her say something so this will end or S to give in? Anything otherwise will mean he is a nutcase too. The psycho ward is crowded.

Date: 2012-07-05 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
My problem is that I viewed KS' actions as reprehensible - I actually agree with early KT in placing people above principles.

I am mad enough at KT for the whipping, if he was OK at having Mok Dan killed at the circus, I'd be done with him (but then even KS had his breaking point - he wouldn't let anyone kill his little brother). The thing is, objectively it is a lesser evil to have Mok Dan be injured rather than Kang To to be killed. But the fact that KT was able to make the same calculus (while also realizing his being killed would stop his atonement to his brother and saving people from bad guys), while Mok Dan is the woman he loves - I am NOT happy. He feels horrible afterwards - boo-hoo, he should! Seriously, my blood boils every time I think of it.

As to why the elaborate prep - I think he was trying to postpone it as much as possible in some sort of forlorn hope Shunji would come to his senses or something else would happen to stop it.

Hmmm, ep 11 means my thoughts of Mok Dan potentially being attracted to Kang To as Kang To, since he's the newer gentler version, have gone kaput - I don't think she's going to get over him whipping her, orders or no orders. She's gonna hate him more than ever and serves him right!

Date: 2012-07-05 11:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleobulle.livejournal.com
As to why the elaborate prep - I think he was trying to postpone it as much as possible in some sort of forlorn hope Shunji would come to his senses or something else would happen to stop it.

This. Also, I think he was trying to steel himself to do what he had to. He needed those few seconds to prepare himself.

Date: 2012-07-05 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Yup, you could tell he was pretty much dying by inches.

Date: 2012-07-05 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smothered-pith.livejournal.com
This right here!
How'm I supposed to root for Kang-to and Mok Dan if he goes and WHIPS her?! I know he was backed into a corner but there had to have been SOME way he could have turned that around, right??

I know he hates himself for it, but it doesn't do much good because I might for his position but I can't be okay with it either. Same like I wasn't okay with Kang san deceiving his brother for the cause. The end result still ends in pain and people getting hurt!

Date: 2012-07-05 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
The thing is, I can understand he had no choice (I can't think of any alternatives - even if he didn't just admit he was Gaksital but said he can't do it, the wheels would start turning in Shunji's head, as he's nobody's fool) but yes - that just still doesn't make me happy. If he does something to reverse that (like the thing with the gun earlier on), I could possibly move on, we'll see.

Date: 2012-07-05 11:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleobulle.livejournal.com
I adored episode 11 as well. Definitely one of the best yet.

I can't bring myself to be angry at Kang To for whipping Mok Dan. I loved the fact that he was appalled at what he had done. It kind of ecchoed what Kang San was thinking in regards to doing nothing when his mother put herself at risk and died. It makes me think that maybe Kang To won't be able to do it again. He won't put preserving his secret above saving Mok Dan. At least I don't think so. But when Mok Dan is aware of his real identity, I bet she'd be willing to endure any number of beatings and even sacrifice herself. She's hardcore like that. Kang To will have his hands full trying to keep her alive.

I'm with you re-resignation letter. He didn't give the true reasons for it but I too think he really intended to quit, too heartsick and disgusted with what he has become to continue.

Shunji... well, I really appreciated that he tried to mend fences with Kang To and that he acknowledged he was all f*cked up in the head because of Gaksital. He's down a very slippery slope but he hasn't completely gone over yet. When I watched the episode RAW, I was ready to confine him to the seven circles of hell for doing this to Mok Dan but when I watched it with subtitles, I got a bit more lenient. Daddy dearest gave him the kind of ultimatum he couldn't ignore. It still doesn't excuse all he did though. And I think you got it right with that game of chicken thing. And he was playing both fields:

*he wanted to test his new shiny theory about Kang To loving Mok Dan
*he thought the prospect of getting whipped would scare Mok Dan so bad she'd spill everything before she got hurt too much.

All kind of fucked up.

LOVED LOVED LOVED Kang To's expression when Mok Dan tried to kill him. He plays it off lightly but you can tell he's crushed his love wants him dead. His life really sucks. I want to say it couldn't suck more than it currently does with all the crap that happened to him but I've learned that everything can always get worse in a Kdrama.

Only 3 hours before I can watch episode 12. Time crawls by so slowly.

Date: 2012-07-05 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Yeah, the scene with the knife really made me feel for Kang To - but then, of course, what else can he expect - to her he is only a collaborationist, and one who mistreated her as well. And if he thinks she wanted him dead before ep 11, I think he hasn't seen anything yet - I am dying for her reaction to him post-whipping and his reaction to her reaction - whether her reaction is going to be flinching or open hatred or a combo of both, you know he's going to hate himself more.

Sure, Shunji's Dad gave him an ultimatum. But my issue with Shunji is that he was OK with carrying it all out with whatever provocation - not to mention using it as a side-test for Kang To's feelings - only a very sick and twisted individual would do that (let's say Shunji was right - Kang To is solidly pro-Japanese but loves Mok Dan. Then the order Shunji gave is going to break KT's heart. KT was, until recently, his best friend. Nobody ordered him to torment KT and I severely doubt KT is the only person in the station with working arms. And yet, he's quite eager for his little test. Hello evil!)

I agree that KT is going to have his hands full trying to protect Mok Dan. Because I didn't think about it before you mentioned it, but you are right, I think the whipping was his breaking point and he won't be able to sacrifice her well-being again. Which is going to get interesting because not only people know Mok Dan is Gaksital's weakness (which was, ironically, not true for the original Gaksital despite appearances), but too many people are beginning to realize she is KT's weakness too and so people can try to get Mok Dan from both sides.

I was SO angry at Kang To for the whipping, I temporarily got off the ship! The fact that he was able to make the chilling calculus that it is better for Mok Dan to be whipped than for him to be exposed/executed/revenge incomplete/atonement incomplete, while MD is the woman he loves and he's the one wielding the whip - yeah. I know he was put in an untenable position and was horrified by what he's done, enough to try to quit the job which was his sole information link for his plans, but still - eeeeek. I've calmed down now but I won't fully forgive him until he does something to protect her or save her or show me that her well-being is paramount to him, over his own (the reason I am calmed down and back cautiously on the ship is due to the circus/gun scene - he was going to kill Shunji, everything his own life included be damned, to save her life. And because I agree he won't be able to sacrifice her again. But I need some atonement too).
Edited Date: 2012-07-05 12:06 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-07-05 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleobulle.livejournal.com
I think you're going to get your wish re-atonement. From the spoilery pics posted over at Soompi and which you posted here, he's going to save her (in his Gaksita persona) pretty soon. I loved that gun scene at the circus. I think they put it here precisely so that we would know Kang To wasn't Kang San and that he wouldn't be able to put the cause above anything else.

You know, I wonder if Mok Dan will actually dial up her hate after the whip thing. It seems his words about being someone who has obeys orders got to her. She was pretty confused at his change of behavior and it must have been obvious even to her that he so didn't want to torture her that he gave her tips to make it easier on herself.

The real betrayal came from Shunji (as you said, she didn't expect anything better from Kant To but Shunji was her friend) and I think that will monopolise all of her anger for a while.

And, yeah, Shunji's behavior towards Kang To was inexcusable. I thought so from the beginning and it worried me. I guess the pressure was too big for him. He had his father kind of threatening him, the whole police force against his appointment as Captain and then he learns that Kang To was supposed to get the post. Maybe he has a slight inferiority complex?

I'm looking forward to seeing how they'll deal with their tentative truce. I hope it'll last for at least a few episodes.

Also, what do you think about the probability of a time jump? Kang To seriously needs to hone up his skills if he doesn't want to be skewered by Shunji at some point. We didn't get a "hero in training" sequence. Maybe they're saving it for later? Looks like Mo Dan is also talking about going away for a while in the preview of episode 12. That could all point to a time jump in the near future.

Date: 2012-07-05 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I can't wait to see any possible atonement :)

Re: whipping. I don't know - it's cold comfort to know someone beat you up only under orders and she's pretty black and white, not to mention not fond of KT to start with. But we'll see. I mean, if they had more of a relationship before (that she knows of) then yes.

Shunji is pretty horrible and I agree, a lot of it is overcompensation - he is clearly not yet suited/experienced enough for the job.

I can see a time jump happening but I hope they won't do it. I think this drama does well without one. Poor KT is always going to be in a fighting disadvantage because flute v. gun = no contest.

Date: 2012-07-05 11:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleobulle.livejournal.com
I don't know if it's possible for her to hate KT more than she already does tbh. Those two lashes he gave her are like a drop in the ocean of grievances she has against him. Probably didn't even register on her radar. ^^

Yeah, about the flute... I wish he would upgrade to a badass sword but I guess they're staying close to the source material. I don't know why though. If Gaksital made a point of never killing anyone, the flute thing would fine and nicely symbolic. But since he's clearly after revenge of a bloodthirsty type, why not updgrade his weapon? Luckily, Joo Won can fight in white pyjamas waving a flute around and not look completely ridiculous doing it.

Date: 2012-07-05 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleobulle.livejournal.com
Sorry to post again but... OMG episode 12!!!! Mok Dan is so badass. I love her. She might be one of my favorite heroines ever. You need to watch it ASAP.

Date: 2012-07-05 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I am about to...so excited.

Date: 2012-07-06 12:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleobulle.livejournal.com
Enjoy!

I've just finished translating it and it was even better with all the dialogues explained.

Altough I think your Shunji hate might reach a whole new level after this episode. There's a scene at the beginning of the episode in which he looks completely frightening. You'll know at once what scene I'm talking about.

Date: 2012-07-06 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Just finished - so goooood! Am about to post.

Re: flute fighting. Haven't seen it outside of wuxia before :)

Date: 2012-07-05 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Signs you are in a dysfunctional relationship
1) Your boyfriend’s idea of holding hands is handcuffing your hands.
2) Your girlfriend uses the valentine gift you gave to her to stab you. If you cannot let go of her, give her teddy bear the next time.
3) You agree to meet your boyfriend in a dungeon where he hit you before. Worse, he brought his voyeuristic friend along.
4) You let your girlfriend ride the car with your best friend whom you suspect is crushing on her while you take the 3-wheeler
5) Your girlfriend loves to role play. She puts on the moustache while you play the bride. She is nasty to you when you are yourself.
6) Your girlfriend’s father wants to kill you
7) Your father wants you to kill your girlfriend, failing which he will kill you.
8) You send your girlfriend to the hospital, not her home, after a date

Date: 2012-07-05 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
OMFG, Anon, this is the best and truest comment ever! I am going to quote it everywhere :)

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