BSG Musings: Kara/Lee centric
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dangermousieI had a dream tonight in which I was watching a Battlestar episode where Kara and Lee got together and had hot, dysfunctional sex. Unfortunately, it was TV-style sex as it "cut out" during the crucial moments. I guess my subconsious is not only a shipper, but a modest one at that.
Of course, seeing that the other part of the dream involved Adama telling Lee to "go for it" because Zack isn't in the way any more, and Lee being unbelievably awkward and clumsy about starting stuff and Kara breaking up the mood by moaning "Anders," it's also clear that my imagination has read too many fanfics, not all of them good. Hmmm.
I am very interested actually, in Kara and Lee's hopefully coming up, real show dysfunctional sex scene. Because it's clear they've been heading in the direction of sex for a long long time: it's impossible to have all that combustible chemistry, be two attractive people who have some mixed-up attraction between them (Kara's moaning Lee's name while in bed with Baltar, Lee's completely spontaneous kiss of Kara when she comes back) and not at least have something happen.
It's equally clear that anything between them would be severely frakked up and not because Kara has Twu Wuv feelings for Anders or Lee is pining for the Dark Goddess that is Dee or what not. Even if Dee and Anders never entered the picture, any hook up of theirs would be doomed at this point in time. Aside from the Zack issue (hello, Lee's brother/Kara's fiance about whom Kara still feels guilt) which by itself would be enough to scuttle or complicate things, we have Kara's perpetual self-destruct mode and feelings of unworthiness, we now have Lee who is just as much in self-destruct mode (even if in a different fashion) and who is losing his ideals and his sanity and his will to live in one fell swoop. These people are not healthy enough to have a relationship with their right hand, let alone each other.
I think in a way, for now, Anders and Dee are "safer" choices for both of them. I can buy Kara's feelings for Anders. Not only do you sometimes click with someone, he is uncomplicated, any potential relationship with him is uncomplicated (well, there is the whole "he is stuck on a radiation infected planet controlled by Cylons" part but I am talking about the emotional component :P) He is not mixed up with her closer than family and with many of her issues the way Lee is. He hasn't seen her at her worst, he doesn't know her history and her bad moments and her private issues or shames. She can start fresh and new, put on a brand new, just created Starbuck just for him. There is no past, no shared history, no knowing her too well for her peace of mind. And he is a heck less complicated a person than Lee. Something like this can be incredibly liberating. Not to mention healthier. I wonder though if part of Anders' appeal to Kara is that he is safely out of the picture and she doesn't have to worry about disappointing him or being disappointed. He is "safe" in that way (also, I think Helo is the worst person on asking advice about whether to forget someone or keep loving, and on whether the obstacles are insurmountable, because one of the things I love most about Helo is his ability to keep on loving and fighting the world no matter the obstacles but that bar is set waaaaay higher than normal in Helo so he is not a good advisor for anyone else).
And the same goes for Dee as a SO for Lee. She is much less complicated, not tied up with family and history, and she has less issues. Neither Lee nor Kara are picking a partner for life after all, and in short term, a stranger with whom you can be someone else might be restful.
So yeah, I am still into Lee and Kara. Any sex they will have? Hot? Incredibly. Dysfunctional? Most likely. Leading to a happy outcome? Not a chance. Just as little chance as that they will be able to get each other out of each other's system for good that way. And I am happy, as I like dysfunctional and complex and full of potential (see Crichton and Aeryn in Farscape).
Of course, seeing that the other part of the dream involved Adama telling Lee to "go for it" because Zack isn't in the way any more, and Lee being unbelievably awkward and clumsy about starting stuff and Kara breaking up the mood by moaning "Anders," it's also clear that my imagination has read too many fanfics, not all of them good. Hmmm.
I am very interested actually, in Kara and Lee's hopefully coming up, real show dysfunctional sex scene. Because it's clear they've been heading in the direction of sex for a long long time: it's impossible to have all that combustible chemistry, be two attractive people who have some mixed-up attraction between them (Kara's moaning Lee's name while in bed with Baltar, Lee's completely spontaneous kiss of Kara when she comes back) and not at least have something happen.
It's equally clear that anything between them would be severely frakked up and not because Kara has Twu Wuv feelings for Anders or Lee is pining for the Dark Goddess that is Dee or what not. Even if Dee and Anders never entered the picture, any hook up of theirs would be doomed at this point in time. Aside from the Zack issue (hello, Lee's brother/Kara's fiance about whom Kara still feels guilt) which by itself would be enough to scuttle or complicate things, we have Kara's perpetual self-destruct mode and feelings of unworthiness, we now have Lee who is just as much in self-destruct mode (even if in a different fashion) and who is losing his ideals and his sanity and his will to live in one fell swoop. These people are not healthy enough to have a relationship with their right hand, let alone each other.
I think in a way, for now, Anders and Dee are "safer" choices for both of them. I can buy Kara's feelings for Anders. Not only do you sometimes click with someone, he is uncomplicated, any potential relationship with him is uncomplicated (well, there is the whole "he is stuck on a radiation infected planet controlled by Cylons" part but I am talking about the emotional component :P) He is not mixed up with her closer than family and with many of her issues the way Lee is. He hasn't seen her at her worst, he doesn't know her history and her bad moments and her private issues or shames. She can start fresh and new, put on a brand new, just created Starbuck just for him. There is no past, no shared history, no knowing her too well for her peace of mind. And he is a heck less complicated a person than Lee. Something like this can be incredibly liberating. Not to mention healthier. I wonder though if part of Anders' appeal to Kara is that he is safely out of the picture and she doesn't have to worry about disappointing him or being disappointed. He is "safe" in that way (also, I think Helo is the worst person on asking advice about whether to forget someone or keep loving, and on whether the obstacles are insurmountable, because one of the things I love most about Helo is his ability to keep on loving and fighting the world no matter the obstacles but that bar is set waaaaay higher than normal in Helo so he is not a good advisor for anyone else).
And the same goes for Dee as a SO for Lee. She is much less complicated, not tied up with family and history, and she has less issues. Neither Lee nor Kara are picking a partner for life after all, and in short term, a stranger with whom you can be someone else might be restful.
So yeah, I am still into Lee and Kara. Any sex they will have? Hot? Incredibly. Dysfunctional? Most likely. Leading to a happy outcome? Not a chance. Just as little chance as that they will be able to get each other out of each other's system for good that way. And I am happy, as I like dysfunctional and complex and full of potential (see Crichton and Aeryn in Farscape).
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Date: 2006-02-01 04:37 pm (UTC)hand, let alone each other.
Exactly why, as you say at the end, this is so complicated and would be so awesome to watch. I actually find it really confusing when people talk approvingly about the healthier relationships with other people (well, leaving aside the fact that if Starbuck is donning some personality that doesn't show any of the weaknesses or flaws for Anders, how on earth is that actually HEALTHY and also, I feel this pining thing is coming out of nowhere, since she hasn't actually mentioned him or thought about him apparently since Kobol!)... I mean, I love the idea of Lee and Dualla, but I kind of also love that she's all guilty and angsty and cheating on Billy for Lee and that he'll let her because he is so messed up inside too ... but I fear this is not really where they're going with this. (And of course, Dualla knows something very deep and shameful about Lee, whereas Anders knows none of that about Kara.)
So it's not alternaships I mind (AT ALL!) it's the clumsy execution of them that I find annoying.
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Date: 2006-02-01 04:39 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-02-01 04:50 pm (UTC)I think you need to stay away from the podcasts for your own good, QoT :)
Because actually, whatever RDM's bizarre podcast ideas and comments, he always manages to come up with something that works well for me, with a few minor exceptions.
of course, Dualla knows something very deep and shameful about Lee, whereas Anders knows none of that about Kara
But I have to say that all Dee knows is that Lee is in an OMG!Iwanttocutmyself mode, which, while more than what Anders knows of Starbuck, is still merely scraping the surface as far as Lee and his issues and maintaining the facade is concerned (I also think Lee is a bit more tolerant of showing a bit of weakness than Starbuck, but that's another matter).
I feel this pining thing is coming out of nowhere, since she hasn't actually mentioned him or thought about him apparently since Kobol
Well, they mentioned that she's been advocating going back a couple of times (once in the Adamas reunion ep and once with Cain) but I think Starbuck is good at both compartmentalizing and repressing (she got through all those years without telling Adama and Lee about Zack and only the end of the world made her tell Lee) in order to function. Add to this that I think while she clicked with Anders, I don't think it's a deathless R&J type of love, and I am willing to buy the fact that she has strong but not overwhelming feelings that she can put in the background and have them largely fade away with some flare-ups here and there.
I am actually not worried about Anders interfering with the K/L dynamic. In fact, in short term he could make it a lot more interesting, as forgetting any potential UST, there is no question that Lee is now Kara's closest friend and if Anders got on board she would be bound to put him as no. 1 in her attentions at least for a bit.
And in the long term? I don't think Anders will stick around ergo I foresee a glorious death or an inglorious one (ooooh, a Cylon. Heh) and that would contribute to Starbuck's issues more and affect her character in some way and I think that could be interesting to watch.
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Date: 2006-02-02 04:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-02-02 08:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-02-01 06:08 pm (UTC)That was a really interesting post and, IMHO, really caught the core of the issues between Lee and Kara, and how their relationships with others may develop. Really enjoyed it.
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Date: 2006-02-01 06:24 pm (UTC)*blushes*
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Date: 2006-02-01 09:25 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-02-01 09:29 pm (UTC)Glad to please :)
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Date: 2006-02-02 02:24 pm (UTC)"I think in a way, for now, Anders and Dee are "safer" choices for both of them."
I agree with this 298347298357324W%. I don't like it, I don't think it'll last, I think they will always come back to each other, but I definitely agree with it.
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Date: 2006-02-02 03:36 pm (UTC)I think they will always come back to each other
I agree. Because even if they fall madly in love with a current squeeze, thy are connected through too much to ever not be, in some ways, the most important person to the other.
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Date: 2006-02-02 05:33 pm (UTC)Yes, absolutely, and I think that's why, even if jealousy makes their friendship uncomfortable for a while, in the long run and in dangerous situations they will be there for each other. I very much doubt that Starbuck would decide not to save Apollo's ass just because she saw him kissing Dee, and for once I feel like the writers won't fail us on that point.
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Date: 2006-02-02 04:51 pm (UTC)Which is why this is going to be so much fun to watch. Forget fireworks, this is going to be a nuclear bomb. I think you've nailed it on the head with Dee and Anders, they're safe (although I would argue Anders is more safe than Dee, by virute of Dee being still very connected to the "family" that is Galactica).
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Date: 2006-02-02 05:06 pm (UTC)Oh yes. Kara (if she so choses) can literally reinvent herself for Anders as a happy, spunky, hotshot pilot with no issues, and he won't know any different. Also, she doesn't have to work with him on a daily basis. Plus, he stikes me as rather linear and uncomplicated from the adimittedly limited exposure to him we've had. So as a short-term boyfriend? So very safe.
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Date: 2006-02-02 08:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-02-02 08:32 pm (UTC)Do you know, that has never occured to me, but now that you mention it, it makes so much sense! If she can 'unmake' at least one bad thing that happened/she did, she can find peace, she thinks.