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gurlygirl10 was completely right when she said this veered into lakorn territory. (Thankfully, since it isn't a really a lakorn, there was no raping or abuse).
But seriously! OMFG. Here are my two favorite scenes, compiled by a kind soul:
I have no words for the dysfunction.
You know, there is NO WAY they can have a happy ending. There is too much between them. Even if somehow miraculously, Sooyang decided to let him live, he cannot let go of his vendetta and we all know, historically Sooyang lived to a ripe old age. Not to mention, however monstrous he may be, Sooyang has always been a good and loving father to Se Ryung, and if Seung Yoo kills her father, what future can they have?
I think her getting shot like this at the end was absolutely crucial. SY can only cope with everything by trying to believe that everything associated with Sooyang is evil - that Se Ryung never loved him, that she used him. That is why he tries to fight any signs that this isn't true - her hug, her stroking his shadow, the cut on her neck from when she tried to buy his life with her own. Because to believe she is evil and heartless would make it easier. But he cannot push away the fact that she gave up her life (or did her best) to save his. And that was after he kidnapped her to lure Sooyang, without giving her a kind word. After he shot her father in front of her. If anything is capable of snapping him out of his solely-vengeance mindset, that would be it. Of course, that would make it all worse, if what she felt for him was real - because then he has a choice between vengeance and love and it's a hopeless one either way.
Also, it was pretty important, I thought, to have the three men who love her see her wounded and near death as a result of their choices. Seung Yoo is so fixated on revenge that he is treating her as collateral damage, burying his feelings, refusing to believe hers. In trying to strip his humanity away, he is getting closer to being like his enemy Sooyang. And he sees what this can lead to. Sooyang finally sees his chickens come home to roost. When you come to power through seas of blood, some of that blood may follow home - some of the victims may want to pay back and those you love will be endangered due to your ambitions. Maybe this will be a check on him? Ironically, Myun is the only one I don't blame. It makes sense to shoot the attempted murderer. Nobody in their right mind would think the hostage would try to protect her kidnapper with her body. Still, if Myun gave Seung Yoo some breathing room, some hope - back in ep 9 - if he promised to at least care for his sister-in-law and niece, SY would think he has something left to live for, he would not be so driven to the edge.
Also, SR must really love SY. I'd be tempted to yell at him "Yeah, yeah, you had to watch your whole family get murdered/enslaved in front of your eyes and then get hunted like a dog, and it was done by my father. I am very sorry. But it wasn't my fault! Take your temper elsewhere!" :P
gurlygirl10 was completely right when she said this veered into lakorn territory. (Thankfully, since it isn't a really a lakorn, there was no raping or abuse). But seriously! OMFG. Here are my two favorite scenes, compiled by a kind soul:
I have no words for the dysfunction.
You know, there is NO WAY they can have a happy ending. There is too much between them. Even if somehow miraculously, Sooyang decided to let him live, he cannot let go of his vendetta and we all know, historically Sooyang lived to a ripe old age. Not to mention, however monstrous he may be, Sooyang has always been a good and loving father to Se Ryung, and if Seung Yoo kills her father, what future can they have?
I think her getting shot like this at the end was absolutely crucial. SY can only cope with everything by trying to believe that everything associated with Sooyang is evil - that Se Ryung never loved him, that she used him. That is why he tries to fight any signs that this isn't true - her hug, her stroking his shadow, the cut on her neck from when she tried to buy his life with her own. Because to believe she is evil and heartless would make it easier. But he cannot push away the fact that she gave up her life (or did her best) to save his. And that was after he kidnapped her to lure Sooyang, without giving her a kind word. After he shot her father in front of her. If anything is capable of snapping him out of his solely-vengeance mindset, that would be it. Of course, that would make it all worse, if what she felt for him was real - because then he has a choice between vengeance and love and it's a hopeless one either way.
Also, it was pretty important, I thought, to have the three men who love her see her wounded and near death as a result of their choices. Seung Yoo is so fixated on revenge that he is treating her as collateral damage, burying his feelings, refusing to believe hers. In trying to strip his humanity away, he is getting closer to being like his enemy Sooyang. And he sees what this can lead to. Sooyang finally sees his chickens come home to roost. When you come to power through seas of blood, some of that blood may follow home - some of the victims may want to pay back and those you love will be endangered due to your ambitions. Maybe this will be a check on him? Ironically, Myun is the only one I don't blame. It makes sense to shoot the attempted murderer. Nobody in their right mind would think the hostage would try to protect her kidnapper with her body. Still, if Myun gave Seung Yoo some breathing room, some hope - back in ep 9 - if he promised to at least care for his sister-in-law and niece, SY would think he has something left to live for, he would not be so driven to the edge.
Also, SR must really love SY. I'd be tempted to yell at him "Yeah, yeah, you had to watch your whole family get murdered/enslaved in front of your eyes and then get hunted like a dog, and it was done by my father. I am very sorry. But it wasn't my fault! Take your temper elsewhere!" :P
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Date: 2011-09-04 08:21 pm (UTC)I think so too. SY is too wrapped up in his revenge to think clearly and I think he probably resents SR the most right now. It's always the ones you love that can cut you the deepest. Her getting shot should snap him out of it.
But what do you make of him actually releasing the arrow? In a way, it kills me that SR will probably understand/forgive him. Had it been SR who did this, never in a million years would SY have forgiven her.
They're so messed up it's pure torture to watch their scenes together post Apocalypse.
SM, will be in hell next episode. Gosh, his face! It's harder to judge SY's reaction though. I don't think SR was ever necessary to him. He loves her the most out of all his children but her bargaining with her life to save SY didn't move him much. Maybe actually seeing her hurt and bleeding in front of his eyes will change that?
And SY....I hope this brings home the fact that SR is just an innocent bystander in the bloody political struggle between different factions. That, despite her powerlessness, she did everythign she could to make it better for him and his family.
Since we know SR won't die, the real cliffhanger for me in ep 14 was not knowing what the hell was going to happen now. What will SY do? He's in shock with an injured SR in his arms and dozens of soldiers surrounding him in the trees. There's no way he can take SR and make a run for it. And I don't think his brain is working enough to tell him to get the hell out of Dodge. Plus, deep down, he wouldn't want to be captured. So what will it be: Captured? Friends to the rescue? Mustering the will to move and taking advantage of Sooyang and SM's shock to run away anyway?
Wednesday won't come soon enough.
BTW, I wonder if SR getting in the way of the arrow will be interpreted correctly by the bystanders. She could very well have been throwing herself at the man who just shot her father to take revenge. In a way, that would be a great thing for Sooyang to believe: imagine knowing that your child was ready to risk her life to protect/avenge you. That might influence him later.
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Date: 2011-09-04 09:07 pm (UTC)I don't know about it. For her to be in his position, their situations would have had to be entirely reversed - i.e. his father killed her whole family and did his best to kill her and he discovered Daddy is a monster. In those circs, I think he could understand.
They're so messed up it's pure torture to watch their scenes together post Apocalypse.
I really think they are the most messed-up couple I've seen in a kdrama, and that is a really high barrier.
Poor Myun! I don't really like him, but he didn't do anything wrong here and to see that - reminds me of Dae Gil shooting Un Nyun (OMG, just had a thought - SY/SR remind me of DG/UN if they were the endgame OTP of Chuno. Don't you think? Innocents in pure love, then he loses his whole world because of her, and when they meet he's bitter and hardened, etc).
Re: Sooyang. He couldn't afford to spare SY, daughter's threats or no (and leaving aside my concern for the lovers, he was absolutely right - you do not leave an able-bodied, sword-wielding son of a man you killed alive. That is just asking for trouble), but this is another matter entirely, imo. SR isn't the one threatening to harm herself here, she is a helpless victim (as far as Sooyang knows).
I too do not know how they will get out of this. I cannot imagine SY voluntarily leaving SR like this, but he cannot run with a wounded woman in his arms. People on soompi want him to believe she died as payback, but I do not. The man went through enough by now to compensate for anything in his entire life, ever.
It didn't look to me as if she tried to attack SY and I cannot see how bystanders would see it like this but you never know. I wonder if Sooyang will be OK with marrying his daughter off to the man who shot her, however. Poor Myun! (Never thought I'd type that sentence).
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Date: 2011-09-04 09:39 pm (UTC)I can see the similarities, yes. But I think DG harbored less resentment toward UN than SY does toward SR (at least at this point in the drama). In a way, their love wasn't as doomed as Sr and SY's. I've since made my peace with the way the shipping went in Chuno but it will always be a regret of mine that DG and UN didn't have at least one meaningful conversation. TPM might satisfy my craving for that type of conversation though. The drama doesn't skimp too much on OTP interractions since it's mainly a romance while Chuno was more of an ensemble cast type of drama with a larger scope.
I must say that Vengeful! SY is terribly hot in that black outfit and nicely styled hair. Right now he's cruel to SR but he mesmerizes me. PSH does tortured heroes so well!
Re-Myun....yeah, I think your'e right about Sooyang having second thoughts. I'd been wodering what could prevent SM's marriage to SR and that think that might be it. Not only he hurt SR, but he did it while disobeying Sooyang's explicit order not to shoot to kill. He will be devastated. If Sooyang doesn't call off the wedding, I think he might do it himself.
As you said, SR getting shot will definitely be a defining moment for the three men who love her. None of them will be left unscathed.
I know that Sooyang couldn't afford to let SY live but the way he treated SR was a bit chilling. But I guess that's why he'd make such a good king.
Re-arrow and SR, it was made plain to the viewer that she threw herself in the way of the arrow but I've seen enough dramas pull some editing tricks after a cliffhanger to make a scene look different from what it was in the following episode.
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Date: 2011-09-04 08:24 pm (UTC)I meant Sooyang here of course.
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Date: 2011-09-04 11:43 pm (UTC)He keeps saying ''I'll kill you, first I'll use you as a bait like they used me to kill my father, and later I'll kill you''.
And what SR says? She says ''I would die a thousand of times for you, If this can easy your pain'' Aw. So sad, she really doesn't care about her life, she just thinks in him, because she loves him and because she knows it is all because of her father.
But something that made a little angry was when she said ''Kill me instead of my father'' ''Let your revenge end with my death''. SY asks if she forgot what her father did, and Sr says ''Even if it's true that he killed your father, it's also true that he saved your life by not beheading you and sending you to kangnam island.'' I want to believe she wasn't saying this because she is in her father's side, but because she doesn't want him to go against her father - knowing he can really die this time? SY asks if she doesn't know her father ordered to sink the ship he was him, and how she still believes in her father.... Sr seems shocked...
So in the last tentative to stop him she reveals his niece and sister in law are alive and well. She begs him not to go to her father, that he will surrely be killed if he does that, but he says after killing her father there is nothing for him to live for. And he doesn't believe her words that his niece and sister in law are alive...
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Date: 2011-09-05 02:57 pm (UTC)But yes, he has to believe her now. I wonder how it's going to go.
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Date: 2011-09-05 03:09 am (UTC)Gosh, I'm only on episode 4 so all the angst hasn't started for me yet
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