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dangermousieBatten down the hatches, here comes hurricane Dark Angel. I am afraid I found that I like Dark Angel so I am afraid the next couple of weeks might be a bit DA heavy on my lj. It must be the name Logan. I can't resist.
In other news, I was thinking about beefcake/sex appeal and how the TPTB use it or are sometimes surprised by it.
Granted, sometimes Beefcake Potential (BP) is the only reason particular actors get employed. I am sure that was by far the number one consideration for the both leads on One Tree Hill. At least, that is the only way I can explain how the hideous lack of acting talent passed the casting director by (James Lafferty gets better, Chad Michael Murray...doesn't.)
But I am thinking about other situations. Sometimes, the TPTB have someone who they'll know be a BP and it's a good chunk of the reason for casting them. Angel on the first three years of Buffy had his own plots and storylines but a big reason for having him there was not just to deal with vampire lore or give Buffy angst, but because he was so hot and the show's BP. There's a reason they hired David Boreanaz for Angel and not the guy who played Principal Snyder. Likewise, Max on Roswell was hired not just for his angsting skills.
And even shows that are not about beefcake at all utilize the BP stuff, and usually end up knowing/guessing right as to who the BP will be. Farscape is not primarily or even secondarily about BP, but it's pretty clear that if anybody will end up as BP, it will be Ben Browder as Crichton, because unless you are into tentacles, your options are otherwise nil. And on Battlestar Galactica, TPTB know that women are a lot more likely to find Lee appealing (hence the towel) than they are Tigh (the latter's disturbing tendency to flash his arms and have on-screen sex notwithstanding). And there is a reason why Firefly's Mal and Simon are not malformed dwarves and it's not just because it's hard to find malformed dwarf SAG members.
The really interesting thing is when the TPTB get blindsided. Before the first Lord of the Rings movie nobody thought anyone would go mad for Legolas. I went hunting for pics before the movie (I liked book Legolas years ago) and there was a notable dearth. But after the movie, there was a huge Legolas mania and Orlando Bloom was launched on a career of killing things with swords. And on Veronica Mars, I always thought the fandom love of Logan caught TPTB by surprise. Duncan was the one who was supposed to be the pin-up, the one viewers wanted to be with Veronica, what not. But something else happened entirely. Logan wasn't even supposed to be ANY kind of a pin-up or love interest in the beginning.
Does this ramble go anywhere? Nope. But it was fun anyway.
In other news, I was thinking about beefcake/sex appeal and how the TPTB use it or are sometimes surprised by it.
Granted, sometimes Beefcake Potential (BP) is the only reason particular actors get employed. I am sure that was by far the number one consideration for the both leads on One Tree Hill. At least, that is the only way I can explain how the hideous lack of acting talent passed the casting director by (James Lafferty gets better, Chad Michael Murray...doesn't.)
But I am thinking about other situations. Sometimes, the TPTB have someone who they'll know be a BP and it's a good chunk of the reason for casting them. Angel on the first three years of Buffy had his own plots and storylines but a big reason for having him there was not just to deal with vampire lore or give Buffy angst, but because he was so hot and the show's BP. There's a reason they hired David Boreanaz for Angel and not the guy who played Principal Snyder. Likewise, Max on Roswell was hired not just for his angsting skills.
And even shows that are not about beefcake at all utilize the BP stuff, and usually end up knowing/guessing right as to who the BP will be. Farscape is not primarily or even secondarily about BP, but it's pretty clear that if anybody will end up as BP, it will be Ben Browder as Crichton, because unless you are into tentacles, your options are otherwise nil. And on Battlestar Galactica, TPTB know that women are a lot more likely to find Lee appealing (hence the towel) than they are Tigh (the latter's disturbing tendency to flash his arms and have on-screen sex notwithstanding). And there is a reason why Firefly's Mal and Simon are not malformed dwarves and it's not just because it's hard to find malformed dwarf SAG members.
The really interesting thing is when the TPTB get blindsided. Before the first Lord of the Rings movie nobody thought anyone would go mad for Legolas. I went hunting for pics before the movie (I liked book Legolas years ago) and there was a notable dearth. But after the movie, there was a huge Legolas mania and Orlando Bloom was launched on a career of killing things with swords. And on Veronica Mars, I always thought the fandom love of Logan caught TPTB by surprise. Duncan was the one who was supposed to be the pin-up, the one viewers wanted to be with Veronica, what not. But something else happened entirely. Logan wasn't even supposed to be ANY kind of a pin-up or love interest in the beginning.
Does this ramble go anywhere? Nope. But it was fun anyway.
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Date: 2005-11-15 08:03 pm (UTC)You know, after I read this, I thought of Tigh in a towel. What a scary image. I actually have this crazy fondness for the character, but I don't have any need to see him shirtless.
And on Veronica Mars, I always thought the fandom love of Logan caught TPTB by surprise. Duncan was the one who was supposed to be the pin-up, the one viewers wanted to be with Veronica, what not. But something else happened entirely. Logan wasn't even supposed to be ANY kind of a pin-up or love interest in the beginning.
Yep. And that's why I'll never apologize for my Logan lust/obsession/crush. I like pulling for the underdog, which is what JD was. Something about that whole scenario makes me happy-I think because it shows that human beings aren't predictable, assumptions are often wrong, and that there are many types of people that are attractive.
Anyway, simple beefcake bores me. I generally only like hot guys if the character is interesting and the actor is capable. Michael Vartan as Vaughn is probably my biggest exception.
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Date: 2005-11-15 08:57 pm (UTC)Now I am blind. I like Tigh too, but only fully clothed.
Re: Logan. Yes, he's definitely an underdog and I love the boy for it.
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Date: 2005-11-15 10:07 pm (UTC)I just love that cap-JD looks fantastic.
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Date: 2005-11-15 10:10 pm (UTC)I knew there was a reason I was not a vegetarian!
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Date: 2005-11-15 10:18 pm (UTC)Logan is what...prime rib, porterhouse, filet mignon? Something lean and juicy and delicious.
And can I get any shallower in this thread? It must be hormones or something. Or else I'm just hungry.
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Date: 2005-11-15 10:19 pm (UTC)I love meat too much to ever give it up.
Logan is what...prime rib, porterhouse, filet mignon? Something lean and juicy and delicious.
Hmmmm, I really need to think about which one is more appropriate for the boy. I'm leaning towards Prime Rib.
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Date: 2005-11-15 10:57 pm (UTC)Re: Logan and beef-prime rib is good but it's kind of fatty, so I'm leaning towards another cut.
When I gave up meat, pork was my greatest temptation. I am southerner through and through, I guess. I just can't give up country ham. But I do love a good steak now and then.
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Date: 2005-11-15 11:05 pm (UTC)As to Logan? Filet Mignon? Isn't it supposed to be a very choice cut?
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Date: 2005-11-15 11:13 pm (UTC)For Logan, I'm going with porterhouse, because it includes the filet along with a strip, so it's larger, and that is fitting.
And I can't believe I'm sitting here discussing this. This is why I love LJ.
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Date: 2005-11-15 08:03 pm (UTC)I agree. And great examples. While I STILL don't quite get the whole mania of Orlando Bloom, I have to giggle over the Logan phenom. I would have loved to have seen the executives expressions when they realized that Logan was the sex symbol of the show, because...hee! Like Rob Thomas himself said, JD is a good-looking guy, but he's no model. And while Teddy is cute, he doesn't have a quarter of the beefcake potential Jason has.
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Date: 2005-11-15 08:56 pm (UTC)Exactly. The boy redefines bland.
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Date: 2005-11-15 08:40 pm (UTC)And then you have pretty-boy Jamie Bamber who proves eminently that he is in no way just a pretty face.
I think I agree whole-heartedly with
If they're vapid or empty, or something else similar, they do almost nothing for me. I do like my substance. ;)
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Date: 2005-11-16 05:20 am (UTC)Also echoing above, the thing I like about Logan is he becomes more attractive the more we see of his character. He wouldn't even have to be good looking because he's charasmatic enough to pull off being fascinating without it. Whereas Duncan is okay looking, but he's more of a pretty face without much behind it.
My beefcake preferences are such that it certainly helps for a show to have serving of it, but if the character isn't interesting to begin with, it wouldn't be enough for me to watch.
Also, if you need any topless Logan icons, I have a few I can share. :)
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Date: 2005-11-16 05:25 am (UTC)It's Logan's character that made me fall for him. Which is what actually generally grabs me. Good looks are a bonus, but character is a must.
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Date: 2005-11-16 07:07 am (UTC)Definitely. Okay, Logan icons...well,
here (http://www.livejournal.com/users/louloucn/44457.html) and here (http://www.livejournal.com/users/louloucn/44654.html)) which include some topless shots of Logan. And I have a few more recent ones from the bedroom scene of Cheatty Cheatty Bang Bang up at my Photobucket folder (http://photobucket.com/albums/0803/ScratchKat/icons/?sc=1), which you're welcome to look through. They're all named for who made them so you know who to credit if you take any (I have to do that, or I'd never remember :P).
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Date: 2005-11-16 03:14 pm (UTC)