Random Hanadan thoughts...

[dangermousie]

First off, if I see another comment asking whether K-Hanadan will combine both seasons of the Japanese drama, or praising/blaming K-Hanadan for finally going into a unique direction, I will kill someone. Seriously. Are they dense? K-Hanadan (just like the jdrama) is based on a manga. They will not be combining two seasons of jdrama, because they are not adopting the jdrama, but the freaking manga! Also, it's not a unique direction. The whole plot in eps 5-6 is directly from the damn manga. Just because it wasn't in the jdrama, doesn't make it unique or a kdrama creation! Seriously. I never thought I'd turn into a manga purist in my old age, but the whole "jdrama is the definitive source and we don't even realize it's a manga adaptation and jdrama took a very liberal interpretation of the source" is driving me insane. Seriously. You don't have to read the manga or what not, but you at least have to realize that! UGH. Jdrama version is not some sort of holy grail sprung out of nowhere. All this is just making me dislike the jdrama which I liked OK before. UGH.

On a cheerier note, I am finding the shipping non-wars over Korean Hana Yori Dango (should I just give in and call it "BOF" the way others do? It's shorter) quite interesting. People at soompi keep commenting on their ship or character preferences but it's not this crazied frenzy you get with shippers. I think knowing the ending/canon ship takes a lot of the sting of ship wars despite one's preferences, i.e. since everyone knows it's going to be Jandi/Jun Pyo at the end, even if you prefer Jandi/Ji Hoo or whatever, you are unlikely to get riled up about shipping (compare it with the insanity of East of Eden, where nobody knows the final OTP outcome and the ship wars are INSANE).

Anyway, my take on the Love Triangle of Shiny Lipgloss stuff in ep 6. Short version: they are all immature and at fault!

1. Jandi: Leaving aside everything else (and it's a lot of everything else to leave aside, what with memories of bullying which he instigated and the guy's arrogance and what not): now, I clearly don't think you should have to date someone or love them back just because they love you and do extravagant things to win you over. You have no obligation to reciprocate in any way even if the other party died for you or similar (not that it got to anywhere near this stage :D) HOWEVER, if you don't want to date them, you are supposed to tell the other party that you are not interested, don't see them this way, blahblahblah. Otherwise, it's just leading the guy on. Also, I can't help but think that going on a trip with Guy A, a trip that is entirely paid for by Guy A, and as Guy A's date (seriously, if you didn't want to go, you could have protested) only to make out with Guy B is rather...tacky. At least wait till you get back from the trip! This said, you are 17, confused, and the guy you crushed on for ages is making a move on you - I can see the temptation.

2. Ji Hoo: OK, I know you are hurting because the girl you loved for a long time ditched and and will marry another. Sucks to be you. But trying to make yourself feel better by putting the moves on the girl who you know your best friend is crazy about and is doing his best to woo? Not good. Especially when it's not as if you have strong romantic feelings towards her yourself - it's not "love over friendship" or anything. You are just looking for a consolation prize to make you feel better. Not nice, not nice at all.

3. Jun Pyo: there is a reason you are not winning "Mr. Personable" award any time soon. Next time when you date, perhaps you make sure the girl wants to date you, first? Declaring in a unilateral fashion "she is my girlfriend" is not only high-handed, it's asking for trouble. Did she ever agree? Did she ever say she likes you or will date you? No, so you have no right to blow up just because you decided she is yours in your head. Fine, she conceled her seeing Ji Hoo and didn't tell you she didn't want to date you - that's bad. So it's perfectly reasonable not to want to see her or your back-stabbing friend again. But getting them both expelled from school? What? Why? I repeat, she never agreed to be your girlfriend, and even if she did and then cheated on you, that still would have been overkill!

So, in other words they are behaving like clueless 17-yr-olds. I can live with that.

Side note: I loved the little explanation about JP's water phobia. Now we both know why he has it (almost drowned as a kid) and the whole story surrounding it helps shed a lot of light on his personality: even the guy who was a quasi-parental figure and supposed to protect him, tried to kidnap him for money. No wonder he is pretty stand-offish about other people: they always want something from him.

Comments

[your-insomnia.livejournal.com]

About Jandi never actually accepting Jun Pyo's feelings - I liked how in the jdrama Domiyoji acknowledges that fact and says that he will wait for an answer. That was such an amazing moment in the jdrama. I started liking Domiyoji 100 times more.

I have a question, is the plot of Korean Handan really directly from the manga? You also mentioned that Meteor Garden is very close to the manga, does that mean that MG and Korean Handan are close in terms of plot?) I was inspired by you post about MG and I'm thinking about watching it.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

He did this in the Korean one too - he told her to think whether accept his heart. (He does it in Meteor Garden too, actually twice, once during the whole Rui situation and another when they are 'practice dating.')

You also mentioned that Meteor Garden is very close to the manga, does that mean that MG and Korean Handan are close in terms of plot?)

They are close but not the same. MG is a very direct adaptation of the manga, but while K-Hanadan is closer to the manga than the Japanese version, they do enough things differently, if it makes sense (the way Jandi gets into school, introducing Jun Pyo's Mom early, not having her goofy male friend there etc). I love them both for various reasons.

[animeshon.livejournal.com]

Gah! Why do people not stop and think about these things. Yes I love the jdrama, but it wasn't even the first adaptation of the story. Meteor Garden was. And c'mon it's not like HYD is a relatively unknown manga

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

LOL. exactly. I don't expect people to read the manga, but at least be aware it exists!

[boycottbananas.livejournal.com]

So, in other words they are behaving like clueless 17-yr-olds.
For the first time ever?! XO

Seriously though, I hang out with 17 year old's everyday; they're nothing like them. But hey, it is a drama. XD

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

LOL, when I was 17, I probably would have been exactly like Jandi if I were in her shoes :)

[zsuness.livejournal.com]

Sorry for bothering you with this.. I was wondering about something that seems to be a difference in approach between Hanadan and BBF... In the manga who is after who when it comes to the Sojiro/best friend pairing? Because in the jdrama the best friend had a crush and was after Sojiro but in the kdrama, so far it seems to be the opposite.. or well, the girl isn't head over hills but Sojiro would do her, no questions asked. Also, in the jdrama version Sojiro seemed a lot more friendlier and a lot more polite. kdrama's Sojiro comes off as someone who really does think better of himself than the "commoners" and he is not at all polite.. I'd say he's an asshole. Which Sojiro is closer to the manga Sojiro? Thank you. <3

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Soujiro in the jdrama is a lot closer to the manga one (though they turn Soujiro and Yuki into this comedy she is chasing him, he is running away thing, as opposed to her falling for him first, but being rather dignified about it and them ending up having this odd friend relationship after sleeping together. I think Meteor Garden came closest to doing the manga thing). This Yuki is very different and Soujiro? Rather different too, but since I adore Kim Bum, I don't mind.

[zsuness.livejournal.com]

I was so pissed at that last scene in the Hanadan movie. Totally pointless and if that was supposed to be funny then.. it didn't work. Such a waste of Shota. ♥
Kim Bum is pretty, so I don't mind, either. It's just.. it caught my attention how different these two characters are in both dramas and was wondering which more closer to the manga.
Thank you. ♥

[melonfusion.livejournal.com]

At the risk of inducing your wrath... Was the second season of the jdrama based on the manga? Or was that its own original direction?

Also, as someone who has only seen all of the jdrama and never read the manga, which version do you think has been the most faithful to the original source? (Obviously, with the caveat that the kdrama version is only 5 eps in)

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

LOL - no wrath induced. Second season was based on the manga too, sort of. Basically, the jdrama is a really free-form adaptation, at best. They took various events that happen in the manga and did them out of order or changed things (in the manga, e.g. there is no suicidal employee or Domyouji trying to ditch Makino - well, he tries for one afternoon, LOL. Also, they combined Sakurako and Junpei in S1 but then brought Junpei in for S2 which muddled things a LOT.) Example of out of orderness: the scene in last ep of S2 when Domyouji rescues her from snow and there is cuddling is from an early part of the manga, before she even admits she likes him (and there is no amnesia at the time) etc. I love the jdrama but I think by not following the manga, a lot of really gradual and delicate character development gets lost.

Most faithful version? The Taiwanese one, hands down. It's almost like seeing the manga done live-action, except for the fact that they did their own ending because manga wasn't done at the time. The Japanese version (which did its own ending, too) is a very very loose adaptation. The kdrama is in-between. It's fairly faithful but not entirely - they change some intros of characters or sequences of events. E.g. JP's Mom is brought in much earlier, the way Jandi got into the school changed, and they toned down Jun Pyo's violence issues a LOT - example, in the manga/Taiwanese version, when he finds that vid of Rui and Makino, there isn't almost forced kissing - there is forced kissing and him ripping her shirt open. I don't mind them toning it down, but it makes Jandi's reluctance to admit her feelings or give him a chance a bit more problematic.

[melonfusion.livejournal.com]

LOL, I saw that you had already talked about the differences a bit, in a previous post, so thanks for repeating yourself! Reading your flist backwards makes everything chaotic.

I really think I need to give Meteor Garden a second chance now. I'd watch HYD first and then tried MG, but the first couple of episodes seemed so similar I gave up...I didn't really love HYD, so I figured I wasn't missing much. But if they're different, I definitely want to check it out.

Sakurako is the girl who tries to kill Makino because she like Domyouji, right? And Junpei is the arranged marriage? So, in Boys Before Flowers (I've only seen the first two episodes, but, please, spoil me) is the friend Jandi makes a real friend or she still plotting behind Jandi's back?

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Junpei = model guy in beginning of S2 who faked the red card.

MG starts out similar (because HYD starts out similar to the manga) but then about few eps in (5?) goes its own way. With a lot more kissing and angst! They have Domyouji slitting his wrists near the end and going on a hunger strike, while looking super hot in black, LOL (well, not LOL, but I found it yummy because I am a sad sad girl).

Be warned, I (and salimbol and miss_dian and alexandral) are rather in the minority in finding this our favorite version. For me, it's mainly because it feels much more real, if it makes sense, not as exaggerated and because this version's Domyouji is probably most dangerous: matsujun might be even more out of control but he is a bit too cartoonish (and too slight for me to take seriously as a physical menace). Jerry Yan's version (mmm...Jerry Yan) has the physical imposiveness (I know it's not a word) which makes the interaction between him and Makino much more fraught with menace (he clearly could take her apart with both hands tied behind his back) and he comes across as more "real" in his violence issues and out-of-controlness, which makes him much more of a mess and explains both the menace and attraction better (and makes very undertandable why it takes Makino FOREVER to decide to trust him with her heart).

In Khanadan, she is still plotting behind Makino's back alas. But at least she has no plans of beating Domyouji up to a pulp :)

[melonfusion.livejournal.com]

Wow, I seem to have forgotten ALL of HYD. It took me a minute to even remember the whole thing about the fake red card.

It sucks that the girl's plotting against Jandi! She's freaking adorable!

[salimbol.livejournal.com]

It's funny; I've always been impressed with how the j-drama has cleverly recombined events from the manga and woven a (semi-)coherent story out of them. And yet, you've hit the nail on the head when you say I think by not following the manga, a lot of really gradual and delicate character development gets lost. And for me, the character development is where the manga really excels; the crazy plots are just funny pegs to hang it on.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Yeah...what I love is that I started e.g. hating Domyouji - honestly loathing, and I loved him by the end. And it was all through character development, not a "he was secretly abused as a child" type of sudden reveal that authors usually use.

[salimbol.livejournal.com]

I couldn't stand him either in the beginning! I remember being singularly unimpressed with the first couple of volumes; I'd heard so much about the awesomeness of HYD, but when I actually got my hands on it, it disappointed both in terms of artwork and story. That was because I was assuming that the main relationship was with Rui, so I was kind of 'yawn! Read this kind of thing a million times before! Plus there aren't actually any hot guys in here' (yes, shallow; I like my pretty men in manga). I was totally flabbergasted when I heard that the romance was really with Tsukasa, because from the little I'd read I'd found him totally unappealing. I was so confounded that I had to go back to it, to see if the seemingly sane lead character was in fact mad ;-).
I love the fact that Yoko Kamio explains his background and we see quite clearly what's made him like he is - and she doesn't let that excuse anything he does. She's always pointing out when he's being self-centred and insensitive ;-), and she keeps his bad points front and centre.

[fivil.livejournal.com]

You've pretty much said it perfectly. I'm on episode 6 right now and I don't know why, maybe for the reasons you stated here, I always end up losing sympathy for the Rui character at this point in the storyline. I feel like we first see him as this cool guy who's clearly above his friends' childish bullying schtick. I feel like he should know better than go after Jandi. And I feel like I understand Jun-pyo's and Jandi's reasons for acting the way they do better than his.

Then again, I think I'm in the minority about my dislike/lack of care for Rui so I won't argue this point further, especially since I haven't read the original manga of this point in the plot.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I am not much of a Rui fangirl at all - I like him OK when he becomes Makino's oddball friend but generally I don't care for him. Also, seriously, I cut some slack for both Makino and Domyouji but seriously, Rui! What kind of a friend goes after a friend's girl? UGH. Domyouji has the maturity of a turnip but he is being forthright about his feelings, and Makino is torn about her first crush (and is not making first moves either) but Rui? Seriously, wrecking others' dating plans to make self feel better does not make him a stellar citizen.

[luzzz777.livejournal.com]

This is the part of the story where the original HYD storyline doesn’t work as well in the Korean version. Why? Because of JP’s characterisation (and probably KHJ’s acting skills lol). Before, I read how some people weren’t happy that JP had turned into this “nice guy”. I didn’t understand why this was an issue at the time, but now I do.

In the other versions, JP/Tsukasa was a lot more violent and ruthless. Here, they have’t spent enough time showing us JP’s true nature (except with Min Ji). Most of the time we see him trying to gain the affections of JD in a nice cute way. As a result fangirls now have the mentality that JP is the poor heartbroken guy who was betrayed, and JD and JH are the nasty ones who should rot in hell. Which shouldn’t be the case. Because starting from this point JP should be on a learning curve that will eventually make him grow into a better person. Unfortunately, because of over-zealous fangirls like those on Soompi JD is now being hurtled off to armageddon.

I just wish people will realise that all 3 players in the triangle are in the wrong. I feel peeved that some people are annointing JP as some saint-like figure and trying to justify his earlier bullying behaviour (oh, please) and how he didn't really "intend" for JD to get sexually assaulted/raped.

Wow, I've written a lot. I discovered your journal through the HYD community and enjoy your commentary a lot :)

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Hi! *waves*

I just wish people will realise that all 3 players in the triangle are in the wrong. I feel peeved that some people are annointing JP as some saint-like figure and trying to justify his earlier bullying behaviour (oh, please) and how he didn't really "intend" for JD to get sexually assaulted/raped.

Exactly! I don't think Jandi was entirely in the right in this situation (no party was) but the whole mentality that Jun Pyo is a darling abused woobie just because he is hot is insane to me! Even if he did not know his words could lead to rape (and importantly, she doesn't know that - she thinks he did order it), it still doesn't excuse the fact that the whole school bullied her because of him, that he seems to walk roughshod over her opinions on dating. He is a delightful character to watch, and to even find woobie from the comfort of your laptop, but in real life I would never want a friend of mine to date him, money or not! And with his temper, no wonder she doesn't want to provoke him (of course, there is her confusion with her own feelings).

And I do agree that it's a problem that they made him "nicer" than the other versions of Domyouji - it tilts the balance unequally. In both the Taiwanese and Japanese versions, where he was a violent wreck, it is a lot easier to buy Makino's hesitancy to open up to him even after e.g. he lets Junpei beat him almost to death to protect her. After all, she's seen how unstable and violently dangerous he is (in the Taiwanese version, just as in the manga, I am sure the fact that he was ripping off her clothes in his anger is also always in back of her mind and plays into her desire not to mention Rui, seeing how wonderfully he reacted the first time). But this Jun Pyo, while not a nice person - mean to servants, giving out red cards or what not, is a lot more socially acceptable and a lot closer to being "tamed" so it does throw her reactions rather out of whack - you go 'aren't you overreacting a bit, Jandi?'

[luzzz777.livejournal.com]

Yep *nods*.

I'm enjoying BOF a lot. But I feel that the Korean production needs to resolve this triangle ASAP (or make JP more of an ass than he is) so that JD doesn't come across as being overly indicisive, and JH doesn't come across as being a bastard.

But at this point in time, no matter the characterisation given to JP in the K-version, JH is better boyfriend material. He's more "mellow". With JP, your hair'll probably turn all white since you never know when he'll blow a fuse and turn the whole school against you.

And am I the only person who laughed (for the wrong reasons) at the kayak scene.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

The kayak scene was hilarious, I admit (well, sad too, but also LOLtastic).

I am not much into JH: he is much too spacey and you never know when he'll forget your existence and walk off in the middle of the conversation, but I agree, in no way is JP ideal boyfriend material at this point in time.

[salimbol.livejournal.com]

You've summed it up beautifully here! And I am firmly of the opinion that being thwarted (and thwarted and thwarted) is the only way that JP/Tsukasa can grow as a person.

[eraeos.livejournal.com]

being thwarted (and thwarted and thwarted) is the only way that JP/Tsukasa can grow as a person.
It was what allowed his character development to grow quite nicely in the manga.

[salimbol.livejournal.com]

Yup, because it forced him to recognise that other people (well, mostly her ;-) had desires and needs that did not necessarily mesh with his own, and that forcing his own expectations on others was not the way to go. And his development is done in a nice linear fashion (with some major backsliding, obviously, at the angstiest points); it's quite impressive if you compare him in the early volumes to how he is even by the halfway point, and certainly by the end, when he's much more functional.

[eraeos.livejournal.com]

it's quite impressive if you compare him in the early volumes to how he is even by the halfway point, and certainly by the end, when he's much more functional.
There would be so much material to work with if one were to write an essay analyzing his character development.

But the idea that Tsukasa couldn't function as a normal human being without Makino bothered me. Then again, I was never really too attracted to the Bad Boys™/Good-Girls-who-are-Martyrs-in-the-Name-of-Love™" love stories, and I couldn't understand the tendency to romanticize the dynamics of those kind of pairings. While I wasn't a Rui/Makino shipper, it took me some time to accept Domyouji/Makino as a couple I could be genuinely fond of. I was more invested in characters individually more than the plot itself or any other aspect of the manga -- unless it strongly pertained to someone's character development.

[salimbol.livejournal.com]

There would be so much material to work with if one were to write an essay analyzing his character development.
Goodness me, yes! Now there's an idea... I've been slowly working my way through the manga, reviewing it two volumes at a time, you see; as I'm nearly at an end, that could be a project for me. Because, as you know, I always enjoy burbling about HYD! :-) And I'm sure there's enough material there to do decent analyses of the other two leads as well. Hmmm... Or perhaps you'd like to take a crack at it yourself?
But the idea that Tsukasa couldn't function as a normal human being without Makino bothered me.
This is a recurring theme in a lot of fan commentary, and while it's not without merit (being around her obviously affected him immensely), I think they might overstate it sometimes. After all: 1) she often brought out the worst in him as well as the best; 2) by the end of the manga, I think he's perfectly capable of being a decent person without her around (not that I'm saying I think they should break up, but I think his days of major backsliding are done with).
I was never really too attracted to the Bad Boys™/Good-Girls-who-are-Martyrs-in-the-Name-of-Love™" love stories, and I couldn't understand the tendency to romanticize the dynamics of those kind of pairings.
I've read a few along these lines that are good; most are pretty bad, I agree. I think what offends me most is not the jerkiness of the Boy but, as you've said, the martyring of the Girl, as if she never had real desires or ambitions of her own, never grew from the experience, never changed, never followed her own course. Bleh.
it took me some time to accept Domyouji/Makino as a couple I could be genuinely fond of. I was more invested in characters individually more than the plot itself or any other aspect of the manga -- unless it strongly pertained to someone's character development.
Most definitely. While it was obvious from the early stages onwards that they had chemistry together, it took such a very, very long time for them both to grow enough to form into a stable couple who had a chance of lasting. Obviously he wasn't a viable prospect for a boyfriend for ages, but she herself was prickly, often immature, prudish and actually quite repressed in some respects (funny for such a bolshy little bantam rooster of a girl, but there it is). And they're as enjoyable when they're on their own or interacting with other characters as when they're together. Having said that, I'd probably still say that the story of them fumbling towards love is very much what drives most of their character development.

[eraeos.livejournal.com]

I'm nearly at an end, that could be a project for me. Because, as you know, I always enjoy burbling about HYD! :-) And I'm sure there's enough material there to do decent analyses of the other two leads as well.
YES YOU SHOULD!

Or perhaps you'd like to take a crack at it yourself?
Nah, I'll leave it that to you. I'm thinking of writing up a short essay on the cultural-related changes to kHanadan or maybe one or two on the expanded storyline/backgrounds of F4 and how that plays into their personalities, and then some objective analyses on Yi Jeong/Ga-eul in a non fan-shippy way. Possibly.

I've read a few along these lines that are good
"Tell me, tell me, duh duh duh duh..." :P But seriously, do teach me! I could use some good readings on these pairings which are well-done.

After all: 1) she often brought out the worst in him as well as the best; 2) by the end of the manga, I think he's perfectly capable of being a decent person without her around (not that I'm saying I think they should break up, but I think his days of major backsliding are done with).
Ah yes, you do have some good points there.

While it was obvious from the early stages onwards that they had chemistry together, it took such a very, very long time for them both to grow enough to form into a stable couple who had a chance of lasting. [...] Having said that, I'd probably still say that the story of them fumbling towards love is very much what drives most of their character development.
Yup. Upon reflection, I liked how it sort of seemed to emphasize that chemistry itself wasn't enough to drive their relationship, and that there was effort needed from both sides to change in order to make their relationship last. Fumbling from both sides -- works for me just fine. ^^

[salimbol.livejournal.com]

YES YOU SHOULD!
*meek voice* Yes'm! :-) Actually, it would probably be fun to do, and force me to really have a good think about the overall development of the manga characters; when I just look at things volume by volume, it tends to be more piecemeal.
I'm thinking of writing up a short essay on the cultural-related changes to kHanadan or maybe one or two on the expanded storyline/backgrounds of F4 and how that plays into their personalities, and then some objective analyses on Yi Jeong/Ga-eul in a non fan-shippy way. Possibly.
Ooh, yes, please do this. I for one would find it extremely interesting!
But seriously, do teach me! I could use some good readings on these pairings which are well-done.
Of course, now that I've opened my big mouth I'm drawing a blank! I will have a think and see if I can drag anything up out of the boggy depths of my memory. Could take a while...
I liked how it sort of seemed to emphasize that chemistry itself wasn't enough to drive their relationship, and that there was effort needed from both sides to change in order to make their relationship last. Fumbling from both sides -- works for me just fine. ^^
There wouldn't be much story if they got it right the first time, after all (or the seventh or seventeenth time ;-). Plus it's funny, of course! I like the bits in the 20s where they're both making a conscious effort to change how they interact with each other; that's the foundation their future relationship will rest upon. And the all the drama and silliness aside, it feels very real to me.

[eraeos.livejournal.com]

*meek voice* Yes'm! :-) Actually, it would probably be fun to do,
Yay!

force me to really have a good think about the overall development of the manga characters; when I just look at things volume by volume, it tends to be more piecemeal.
Definitely. It's probably why I'll wait off for a while before I start writing essays about BbF/BoF...

Ooh, yes, please do this. I for one would find it extremely interesting!
It's a maybe...a big maybe... And we have official confirmation that the clothes F4 wear serve as symbolical devices. ^^

I will have a think and see if I can drag anything up out of the boggy depths of my memory. Could take a while...
No worries. I want to understand things from a different perspective.

I like the bits in the 20s where they're both making a conscious effort to change how they interact with each other; that's the foundation their future relationship will rest upon.
*needs to reread*

[salimbol.livejournal.com]

It's probably why I'll wait off for a while before I start writing essays about BbF/BoF
There's a definite advantage in holding off, I think (hindsight is a great thing; it prevents you from making sweeping idiotic statements that the show will prove you wrong on in short order ;-). I know that I've changed my opinions several times over the last few weeks, so goodness knows what I'll be thinking by the end of BBF's run!
And we have official confirmation that the clothes F4 wear serve as symbolical devices.
Ah! Well, we all knew that about Jun-pyo and Ji-hoo's clothes :-). What are Yi-jung's clothes saying, I wonder?

I think that the section of the manga that stretches from about Volumes 19-29 is my very favourite section, even though everything that goes before then is so very iconic. It's where they're really gelling as a couple (finally) and trying very hard to make things work (of course, being them, they screw it up in a most amusing/heartbreaking fashion...)

[miss-dian.livejournal.com]

Short version: they are all immature and at fault!
Hahaha I love this one sentence summary :D

Declaring in a unilateral fashion "she is my girlfriend" is not only high-handed, it's asking for trouble.
It is because His Almighty in his 17-years of existence never knew what the word "refusal" means ^^;

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

is because His Almighty in his 17-years of existence never knew what the word "refusal" means ^^;

A steep learning curve is good for him!

[salimbol.livejournal.com]

First off, if I see another comment ... Are they dense? K-Hanadan (just like the jdrama) is based on a manga.
Thank you! I've being seeing this everywhere this week, now that BBF is moving into areas the j-drama never touched, and it's driving me crazy!
Triangle of Shiny Lipgloss stuff
*snerk* I'm with you on this; none of them comes off particularly well in this section, and yet I think they still retain our sympathy. Obviously Ji-hoo's misbehaving, but I see a lot of stuff saying that Jan-di isn't respecting Jun-pyo's feelings, how mean, etc. Well, no, she's not, but he's not being particularly careful of her wants either.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

the j-drama never touched, and it's driving me crazy

I am glad I am not the only one!

Re: Triangle. Yeah, they are both being short-sighted and rather selfish and immature. They are young and learning as they go along (especially Jun Pyo). There is no villain in this one.

[eraeos.livejournal.com]

my take on the Love Triangle of Shiny Lipgloss stuff in ep 6.
LOL!

Nicely summed up. I hope more people at soompi will be able to step back from their shipping preferences, and try to get into each of the characters' heads. It's what makes them so interesting, and chalking up one character as "good" and the other as "bad" without even trying to see why... *shakes head*

compare it with the insanity of East of Eden, where nobody knows the final OTP outcome and the ship wars are INSANE
It was scary, but nothing beats out the wars bloodily fought by avid FFVII shippers.

[luzzz777.livejournal.com]

nothing beats out the wars bloodily fought by avid FFVII shippers

LOL you just brought back memories. Yes, nothing will ever live up to the FFVII shipping wars. If you think East of Eden is bad, go to any Final Fantasy/gaming forum and witness the bloodshed between Cleriths and Clotis. Be prepared for tears, tirades, flames and the legendary 10,000 word essays!

[eraeos.livejournal.com]

go to any Final Fantasy/gaming forum and witness the bloodshed between Cleriths and Clotis. Be prepared for tears, tirades, flames and the legendary 10,000 word essays!
Haha, so true! Come to think of it, I haven't visited any FFVII discussion thread in a long time. I wonder if they're still going at it? Although, I admit, I actually found myself enjoying some of the well-written 10,000 word essays at times...

[valkyriesailor.livejournal.com]

if I see another comment asking whether K-Hanadan will combine both seasons of the Japanese drama, or praising/blaming K-Hanadan for finally going into a unique direction, I will kill someone.

Don't think there won't be any comment about this anymore, but maybe those would write this, who only saw the jdrama? Maybe cause of reasons like... I don't know (*in real knows*) Jun or Shun, maybe? I know a lot of people who saw only one from this long list of titles from the same story. Some read the manga, some saw only the anime or MG, etc. I even met people who didn't know Meteor Garden is a manga-adaption.