I plan to do a back-to-back watch of 1998 and 2008 adaptations of one of my favorite Victorian novels, Hardy's Tess of the d'Urbervilles, whose tragic heroine is destroyed both by the sheer brutality of physical survival and the rigid social mores of Victorian England. I am clearly a glutton for punishment but then I like Hardy, so that is not a surprise...
(Yes, I am on a period fiction kick).
Want to hear an unpopular opinion?
I like Angel Clare. Yup, Angel from Tess of the d'Urbervilles. I first read Tess in March 2001 and fell madly in love with the novel. It remains my favorite Thomas Hardy work, because it makes me want to tear out my hair in despair less than his other books.
Tess herself is an incredible heroine - tragic, ground down by life, strong and weak at once, naive, lashing out. It's pretty common to like her.
But liking her husband Angel is not, usually, a popular stance. There are two men who loom large in Tess' life. First is Alec who rapes her (though there is an indication that Tess might have not struggled as much as she could and even 'surrendered' - Hardy does not use it to make Alec's act less reprehensible but to make Tess feel culpable under Victorian, opressive standards - those ridiculous standards are one of the driving points in the book and the root of her tragedy). Second is Angel, who marries her, leaves her on their wedding night in shock after discovering her past (Tess is an unworldly idiot who tells him) because of his likewise Victorian principles, and comes back to her because he loves her and recognizes he was wrong, but it is too late.
I think I like Angel in part because the only time we see Tess truly happy is when she was with him. His reaction is not praiseworthy but not surprising - he is not only a Victorian and a product of his time, but he is unworldly and ridiculously young and a purist, all qualities which the reader could see ten miles off, even if Tess couldn't.
And he comes back to her. In fact, ironically, while he left her because of the fact that she's had sex with another man, sex that wasn't willing (though in the telling of it to him, I am not sure how much Tess emphasized that fact and did not dwell on her 'shameful' surrender) but when he comes back to her, he begs her to come back even though she is now a kept woman. He doesn't seem to care she is a higher class of whore now. Not that she becomes a murderess even. And so I, as a reader, can't help but forgive him - he does make up for it.
Anyway. Apparently I am not the only one - yes. People make Tess/Angel mvs (this is from the excellent BBC adaptation).
Final scene:
I haven't seen this 2008 version but I love the earlier one with Justine Waddell and Oliver Milburn from 1998 like mad. This is my fave scene from it:
Proposal (seriously - this spells disaster from get-go):
Here is a MV for the 1998 version:
(Yes, I am on a period fiction kick).
Want to hear an unpopular opinion?
I like Angel Clare. Yup, Angel from Tess of the d'Urbervilles. I first read Tess in March 2001 and fell madly in love with the novel. It remains my favorite Thomas Hardy work, because it makes me want to tear out my hair in despair less than his other books.
Tess herself is an incredible heroine - tragic, ground down by life, strong and weak at once, naive, lashing out. It's pretty common to like her.
But liking her husband Angel is not, usually, a popular stance. There are two men who loom large in Tess' life. First is Alec who rapes her (though there is an indication that Tess might have not struggled as much as she could and even 'surrendered' - Hardy does not use it to make Alec's act less reprehensible but to make Tess feel culpable under Victorian, opressive standards - those ridiculous standards are one of the driving points in the book and the root of her tragedy). Second is Angel, who marries her, leaves her on their wedding night in shock after discovering her past (Tess is an unworldly idiot who tells him) because of his likewise Victorian principles, and comes back to her because he loves her and recognizes he was wrong, but it is too late.
I think I like Angel in part because the only time we see Tess truly happy is when she was with him. His reaction is not praiseworthy but not surprising - he is not only a Victorian and a product of his time, but he is unworldly and ridiculously young and a purist, all qualities which the reader could see ten miles off, even if Tess couldn't.
And he comes back to her. In fact, ironically, while he left her because of the fact that she's had sex with another man, sex that wasn't willing (though in the telling of it to him, I am not sure how much Tess emphasized that fact and did not dwell on her 'shameful' surrender) but when he comes back to her, he begs her to come back even though she is now a kept woman. He doesn't seem to care she is a higher class of whore now. Not that she becomes a murderess even. And so I, as a reader, can't help but forgive him - he does make up for it.
Anyway. Apparently I am not the only one - yes. People make Tess/Angel mvs (this is from the excellent BBC adaptation).
Final scene:
I haven't seen this 2008 version but I love the earlier one with Justine Waddell and Oliver Milburn from 1998 like mad. This is my fave scene from it:
Proposal (seriously - this spells disaster from get-go):
Here is a MV for the 1998 version:
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Date: 2009-09-09 08:58 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-09 02:47 pm (UTC)I haven't seen 2008 version yet but the bits I did see from it were gorgeous. It does seem a little less faithful, dialogue-wise, to Hardy, than the 1998 version.
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Date: 2009-09-09 01:13 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-09 02:46 pm (UTC)But Hardy is wonderful.
they were just both so screwed up by social mores
Whenever I want to put his reaction in context, I just think of Trollope's "Can you forgive her" where it's a huge scandal when a married woman merely dances in public with the man she almost married but didn't. Victorian mores were insane. I can't possibly blame Angel for being a man of his time - he does overcome them (many a Victorian would have never repented and come back) but his begging for forgiveness is, because it's Hardy, too late. (Argh! I totally bawled during the 'too late' scene - only in Hardy, I swear).
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Date: 2009-09-09 04:31 pm (UTC)I can't possibly blame Angel for being a man of his time - he does overcome them
which is where he comes in as Big Damn Tragic Hero, because he chooses love over social convention, as does Tess as she tries in vain to make it not too late. love so strong and amazing it drives them to these crazy lengths. yep, there we go for the addiction part of it.
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Date: 2009-09-09 08:32 pm (UTC)he chooses love over social convention, as does Tess
And of course this being Hardy they are punished for it and would have been punished if they didn't go for it, either.
The thing that drives me crazy (in a good way) is that their mistakes or flaws aren't too horrible - it's not some morality story or even a greek tragedy of a great flaw. Tess grew up one step from starvation, was raped, moved on, wanted to be honest with her husband, and then gave up hoping for him when he didn't come back right away and gave in and became Alec's mistress to survive and better her family. Angel was too morally absolutist and unworldly and did a Victorian-approved but wrong action, repented of it and came back as soon as he could - bad timing plays the part of course too - if he didn't get sick and stuck in the hospital for so long he'd be back sooner and maybe before Tess went over to Alec. Hardy's characters have no luck at all.
I do wonder about Tess killing Alec. I think she was just so buffeted and broken by then, she was not capable of rational thought. Because that's what so dooms it all. If she just left Alec, Angel would have taken her back even after being a kept woman (though how well it would have worked out is anybody's guess, what with rigid Victorian rules - Alec wouldn't have let them get away this easy and his parents would have found out about her being a mistress). But I think by then she just snapped.
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Date: 2009-09-09 02:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-09 02:43 pm (UTC)Hardy always wrote amazing protagonists.
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Date: 2009-09-09 08:11 pm (UTC)(In general, I think attitudes towards classics are created by how they're introduced. You have the more free-for-all approach, and then the "classic means literary genius no argument or alternate interpretations" one, it seems.)
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Date: 2009-09-09 08:40 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-09 08:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-09 04:00 pm (UTC)I remember in jr high school overhearing the girls in gym class discussing Angel and I wanted to join in their conversation. Then I realized they were talking about one of those Angel or Buffy shows -which I didn't watch. That was a "I'm growing up in the wrong era" moment. :D
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Date: 2009-09-09 08:35 pm (UTC)I am OK with the alternate version where he comes back, she goes away without killing Alec who dies of apoplexy or similar and Angel and Tess get a farm and raise cows and live a nice long life. *sigh*
I realized they were talking about one of those Angel or Buffy shows -which I didn't watch.
LOLOL *sympathizes*
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Date: 2009-09-09 07:36 pm (UTC)Oh well, had to happen. It's good for the writers that someone enjoys their work.
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Date: 2009-09-09 08:37 pm (UTC)Which 19th century novels do you like? *curious*
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Date: 2009-09-09 10:54 pm (UTC)List:
Little Women
Brothers Karamazov
Hunchback
Pride and Prejudice ...
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Date: 2009-09-09 09:31 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2009-09-09 11:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-10 06:40 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-10 03:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-10 06:40 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-10 06:50 pm (UTC)She was in The Fall which was recent, and exquisite in that. Small part, though, and she wasn't a good character. I almost watched Thr3e but I have severe problems with Marc Blucas (Riley from Buffy) and never managed to get to her first scene.
I'd recommend The Fall to you, although I didn't like it much. You might like it, my buddy
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Date: 2009-09-10 06:57 pm (UTC)Apparently she was in a British miniseries based on an Elizabeth Gaskell book. I haven't seen North and South but know
Period piece.. miniseries.. sounds like your thing..
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Date: 2009-09-11 06:10 pm (UTC)