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Filmi Girl and I watched the "Surprise/Innocence" two-parter. I would say it's my favorite ep of Buffy S2, except that this is the season that has Becoming, my favorite Buffy episode ever. But this is definitely in Top 3 BtVS eps ever, for me.

S/I are so perfect. And no matter how many times I've seen it, I keep hoping for a different outcome and it tears my heart out...



This is the last time we see Buffy and Angel this simple and happy, isn't it?

You know, with all the horrible stuff that happens on the show, from deaths to torture to supernatural curses, nothing hits me as hard as the day after Buffy loses her virginity and the horrible nightmare it turns out to be. The scene in Angel's apartment the morning after, when newly soulless Angelus emotionally viviscects her, knowing just what to say to draw blood without touching her makes me both rageful and uncomfortable and hurting for Buffy. So hurting. Because it's all so real. Unlike a lot of other things that happen in Sunnydale, this is something so close to any everyday life.

And I hurt so for Buffy, much more now that I am older (and arguably wiser) than I did when I first saw it almost ten years ago. Because if she was older, more experienced, this wouldn't be such a nightmare. Even if you loved a guy and he turned out to be an asshole after you had sex with him, but you are 30, and he is not even a first, you'd get over it: you have a shell built, and you also know not to blame yourself. You know it's because he is a jerk, not because you did something wrong.

But Buffy is 17. In love for the first time. She had just made love for the first time. And her utter, vulnerable openness and her uncertainty just kill me. If you think about it, she never recovers from it, does she? This fucks her up about sex for the rest of the show. And it's not just because while objectively she might know (or know later) that it wasn't Angel, subjectively, it's still the face/voice/etc of the man she loved. But even more, once she finds out the truth, of course she blames herself: all the disaster, all the deaths, the loss of her love (whether now or at the end of the season) are all her fault (to her). It is all associated with disaster and loss and guilt for her. She is never ever this open again. She never lets anyone this close again. Even with Angel is S3, she loves him, but she tries to protect herself at first (and then of course his leaving at the end of S3, even if it's for good reasons, puts the seal on it). She keeps Riley at a distance, she hooks up with Spike because she thinks of him as a 'thing' so he can't be hurt. In a way, she also doesn't want a man who is too emotionally invested in her either (I think that is Spike's biggest fault in her eyes, he broke her unwritten 'rules'): emotional dependency and closeness is associated with disaster for her. She doesn't want to have someone she can't live without because S2 made her learn you will have to live without anyway and she does not want to hurt like this again.

Oh, what else. I love Angelus as a character. So snarky and fun. And I love that he is still fixated on Buffy. Which makes sense. He fixated on Dru before and this is even worse: just like Angel has the memories of his demon alter-ego, Angelus has the memories of the human and I bet he hates them as much as Angel hates Angelus' memories.

I love all the Buffy/Angel sweetness before the evilness though. The way they are glued to each other in the morning, in the beginning of the ep. She is uncertain but I love that the "boyfriend who had a bicentennial" is just as uncertain and off-kilter and giddily in love as Buffy. They are so adorable together and so functional and so in love it kills me. Or the way he tries to have the Judge take him instead (and trust Joss to both have that sexy, heroic moment and poke fun at it at the same time via Spike's snark). The way he gives her the Claddagh ring (best purchase the boy ever made seeing that it brings him back from Hell later) and his voice is all hoarse. The way they are in his apartment and he tries to turn his back and how they are so aware of each other and how he tells her "I love you. I try not to but I can't stop" and she says the same. The way he wants to stop kissing and she doesn't. The lovemaking scene. It's all so perfect and gorgeous and so that is how you know it's all going to go to hell.

The older I get, the more I adore Giles, and these eps are no exception. Buffy is so his surrogate daughter and he shows it in his complete devotion and care (I love it when he tells Jenny to get out. I dislike her because talk about stupid). Buffy needs someone to stand behind her like this.

Oh, and Willow and Oz. The scene in the car with them (or Oz asking her out for a date) make me melt so much.

Oh, I could meta about this for forever, but I better stop sometime.

Buffy's nightmare of losing Angel to Drusilla. And she does, doesn't she, even if not in the way of her dream?



















I love that she runs to check up on him. And how they are so giddy with each other, as if they are thirsty and cannot have enough (OK, perhaps a bas comparison to use in a vamp show but whatever). They are so in love it's out of any sort of control and they are dizzy with it. Oh, they are so gorgeous and so doomed. Actually, since this is Jossworld, they are doomed because they are gorgeous and functional (she talks out her worries and he comforts but not stupidly and they just work together) and happy. This is a lot of caps btw but I love this scene so much!









































I love their friendship. Though Willow so shouldn't have told her to seize the day.



I go nonverbal:







"I said date" Oh darling Willow! And I love how Oz thinks she is so adorable.





You know, Spike is a pretty awesome bf, if evil. Whether gf wants flowers or evil world-destroying demon, he will provide. Other vamps, from Dru and Angelus to one-ep vamps aren't really capable of strong devotion, but he is.



I love Cordy.



Heee.



I love you, Oz! His matter-of-fact reaction to finding out vamps exist rocks.



I really like this scene. In retrospect, it would have been so much better if Angel did go away to hide the arm.











Heee. He is all 'my gf is insane, what of it?'





The scene with the goodbyes, and ring, and her kissing his ring (eeee, he just matter-of-factly wears a ring which indicates he belongs to her) and putting on hers and his being interrupted before he tells her he loves her. I have sort of rewatched it a million times.

















Infiltrating where the Judge is:





And barely getting out with their lives:



You know, this scene in Angel's apartment? If it wasn't for the scene in S3 when he comes back and recognizes her and clings, it would be my favorite B/A scene. So much angst and UST and passion and restraint and tenderness and desperation. And his love confession just always makes me so weak-kneed. And the way she looks at him, with all her heart in her eyes, so in love and trusting. And the way he whispers and the way there are tears in her voice. OMG. Yeah, everything is about to go to hell. I need icons from this scene the way I need chocolate.

































































And it's all about to go to hell. I always wonder why Angel stumbles out? Unconscious desire to protect Buffy? Just a desire to hide/run away from what's going to happen?











Angelus is back. Oh, God.



My evil OTP!



Angelus is definitely a lot more smirky. No guilt complex the size of Manhattan would do that to ya.



And we know he is evil because he smokes.



Twistedness.



Even though that is a brilliant scene, I don't have too many caps, because it's so emotionally eviscerating. But on a less serious note, psssst, Buffy, you can tell he is evil: he is wearing leather pants.





Oh, the look on her face kills me! (I always console myself with the thought that when Angel
'comes back' he is totally going to torture himself over this over and over. But it still doesn't make me feel better).



Game is up. She now knows his soul is gone.





And she thinks it's her fault OMG. It is not! Neither of you knew!!!! But while logically she might know it, emotionally she blames herself so much (as we find out so clearly in IOHEFY)



Her remembering their night together:





Oz's line about Willow kissage always makes me die. Willow is so lucky because Oz is the best adjusted, most mature guy in S2 and I love it when he says he won't kiss her and will wait because he knows now it's only to show up Xander and he wants her to kiss him. EEE! Also, how clever to start one love story, W/O, when another, B/A, just entered hellsville:







Yup, OTP os evil:



I love how strong Buffy is.



The fight with Buffy and Angelus. You know, I realized something after this (when she says 'give me time' when he taunts her she can't kill him). I think what screwed her up so badly at the end of S2 was that she killed Angel. She was ready to kill Angelus, she prepped herself for it, made herself believed her lover was gone and this was a different being, a demon, inhabiting the same body. So she was ready. But at the end, she had to kill the man she loved, and who was innocent, not the demon at all. Yikes.





Oh Giles, I love you and your unswerving support.



And we close on this:



All caps from Screencap Paradise, as usual.


Sorry this was the length of a novel...Also, this was very B/A-centric, but not only were these eps the same way, I confess that with the exception of Farscape no American (or British) show OTP ever hit my kinks the same way.

Date: 2008-08-06 04:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janlake83.livejournal.com
i love those eps..... i miss the show and i would do a rewatch as well but my dvds are in storage..... its kinda sad though her first time turned her boyfriend soul less

Date: 2008-08-06 04:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Yeah, pretty depressing.

Date: 2008-08-06 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janlake83.livejournal.com
yeah but still sooooooo awesome........

Date: 2008-08-06 05:14 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-08-06 04:49 am (UTC)
morwen_peredhil: (angel feral chained by dont_be_so_base)
From: [personal profile] morwen_peredhil
Reading this makes my chest all tight just like watching it in the first place. It killed my soul! As much as I enjoyed certain other pairings that came later (really, really enjoyed in the case of Buffy/Spike, although I didn't much like Buffy herself by that point), there's no question that B/A is the OTP of the Buffyverse.

Sigh.

Date: 2008-08-06 04:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
there's no question that B/A is the OTP of the Buffyverse.



Yeah, it doesn't get more forbidden than the world will protentially be destroyed if you have sex and I am such a sucker for that sort of thing.

Seriously though, second half of S2 always kills me.

ETA

Date: 2008-08-06 05:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
When she asks him: "Was it me? Was I...not good?" I sort of want to die. It's the most 'hurty' moment of the entire show for me, for some reason.

Date: 2008-08-06 05:20 am (UTC)
morwen_peredhil: (angel facepalm - by pokecharm)
From: [personal profile] morwen_peredhil
I know. It's every girl's worst nightmare (well, mine also includes impregnation with a demon baby, but you know what I mean). The first time I watched it, I had to keep hitting the pause button because it was too much.

Date: 2008-08-06 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
It just hits you right where it hurts. I mean, it never happened to me (either the soulless demon or a more pragmatic real world version) but I can imagine how that would feel very well. Her openness and hurt and insecurity just kill me there, so much.

includes impregnation with a demon baby

Heee, like SMeyer?

Date: 2008-08-06 05:17 pm (UTC)
morwen_peredhil: (sparkling prohibited - by michaela0823)
From: [personal profile] morwen_peredhil
OH STEPHENIE MEYER NO!

Date: 2008-08-06 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
This is the best thing I've ever seen.

Btw, have you read [livejournal.com profile] cleolinda's hilarious recaps of Breaking Dawn?

Date: 2008-08-06 05:25 pm (UTC)
morwen_peredhil: (sparkling prohibited - by michaela0823)
From: [personal profile] morwen_peredhil
Yes. She reads it so we don't have to.

I may never get over C-section by vampire teeth. Or anything about that birth. Is SMeyer trying to create a generation of girls who are terrified of childbirth?

Date: 2008-08-06 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phatgirly.livejournal.com
Hee. The scene where Xander goes to get the gun is one of my favorite Xander moments ever.

Date: 2008-08-06 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I love his comment aboit linoleum.

Date: 2008-08-06 07:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] animeshon.livejournal.com
I know exactly what you are talking about. Angel/Buffy & John/Aeryn are definitely my favourite pairings from any western show! Sydney & Vaughn almost had me, and then they ruined the show.

Date: 2008-08-06 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
You like Farscape too?

*dies of mad glee*

Date: 2008-08-06 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] animeshon.livejournal.com
I love Farscape! I just got my flatmate into watching it and we're making our way through the second season now. John & Aeryn just make me so happy! *sighs*

Date: 2008-08-08 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
YESSSSS. And it gets even better. I did a huge rewatch with ep-by-ep recaps and I stopped near end of S3 and must really pick it up.

Date: 2008-08-06 07:42 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kittykatz.livejournal.com
And I so desperately want to rewatch buffy now.

Date: 2008-08-07 02:20 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kittykatz.livejournal.com
LOL. I just have to decide if I should dl now or wait till I buy the sets.

Date: 2008-08-06 11:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenofthorns.livejournal.com
I think you're right about the "morning after" scene being the most painful moment in the entire show for Buffy. (OK, maybe the scene where she finds her mother's dead body is a tie :P) Because, as you say, this is real - it's not a metaphor. And that makes it hurt so much more. Poor Buffy!

Date: 2008-08-06 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Yeah, that and The Body sort of take the metaphor away and it hurts twice as much (though the moment that kills me the most with Joyce's death is Buffy's reaction in ep following, near the end, when they hear zombie Joyce and she starts weeping 'Mommy.').

I really do think it's things like that which screw her up for life, more than any vamps she kills or demons she fights.

Date: 2008-08-06 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenofthorns.livejournal.com
Buffy's reaction in ep following, near the end, when they hear zombie Joyce and she starts weeping 'Mommy.'

Yes! I always felt like "The Body" was too much "let's win an Emmy" (since when were the Scoobies THAT close to Joyce, complete with emotionally manipulative holiday dinner!!?!) but in the next episode, Buffy's tense, tightly-held grief, and her intense desire to have her mom back were really, really moving.

Date: 2008-08-06 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angerfish.livejournal.com
I've been loving your Buffy re-watches! :D

Although it also reminds me how you just shouldn't get attached to a ship in this show, because it'll stomp all over your heart. (I remember the Oz/Willow breakup really hit me hard.)

Date: 2008-08-06 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Yeah, no ship in this show survived at all. Makes me sort of glad Firefly got cancelled before it stomped on my ships in simiar fashion :)

Date: 2008-08-06 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ulkis.livejournal.com
I love you, Oz! His matter-of-fact reaction to finding out vamps exist rocks.

I love how Oz was just the smartest slacker around. (although maybe he was a little too laissez-faire sometimes. I like to think he freaked out a little in private when he found out he had to repeat senior year!)

I have no idea why Angel ran out into the rain. Because he's a drama queen, I guess? *g* I don't think he knew what was happening.

I can take or leave SMG's acting usually, but I think she's awesome where she just lays down on the bed and cries. So sad!

Hee. I love Buffy's line to the judge. "That was then. This is now."

And the two scenes at the end with Buffy and Giles in the car and the last cap you posted. So bittersweet, and the perfect ending.

I must say, I think these two eps are pretty much the best two episodes of TV ever. I can't think of a single scene that was filler or a line that wasn't great. Ah, Buffy. When it was on, it was on.

Also, this was very B/A-centric, but not only were these eps the same way, I confess that with the exception of Farscape no American (or British) show OTP ever hit my kinks the same way.

I've said before when I was first watching I had no OTP but in retrospect they really were a classic, star-crossed love story. It's a corny concept but they really were a forbidden romance. I like them a lot now. (I think the first time I really appreciated B/A was in season 4 when he came to her school to apologize about the Faith debacle, and they both started laughing together. They were laughing together! It was so cute!)

I'm enjoying the Buffy re-watch. Can you tell? *g*

Date: 2008-08-06 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
he's a drama queen, I guess?

LOLOLOL

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