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Eeeeee! As I am sure you figured from the above mini-spam, Filmi Girl and I had a blast watching more Buffy. Specifically, the awesome eps 'The Dark Age', 'What's My Line' two-parter and 'Ted.'



THE DARK AGE

I like TDA but don't have a super-long meta about it.

I do have to say that Giles=Amazingly Hot. He wouldn't have to be a single librarian if I was single and around :) Also, my feeling that Ethan/Giles were evil slash OTP in college sets in stone with this ep. Seriously. I can't help but love Ethan. He is evil but so fun...

Oh, Jenny. She is someone I don't dislike or anything, but I only shipped her and Giles because Giles liked her. At least in retrospect. Her behavior with Angel's clause is about the stupidest thing anyone on the show does, and that's saying a lot. (Don't even get me started on the weirdness of the curse. What's the point of putting a happiness clause and not telling the guilt-stricken guy in question? I mean, if he knew, it's great punishment, because he'd make himself wallow in misery and run away from anything that would even potentially give him happiness. If he doesn't know...what is the point? Except that less guilty and more happy he is, the sooner evil psycho demon comes out to off people who have nothing to do with anything.

Anyway, I guess it works out as some sort of balance, that Angelus kills Jenny later because if it wasn't for Angel, Jenny would be dead months before :) Or something.

This picspam is brought to you by the Cult of Giles:













WHAT'S MY LINE 1 and 2

Oh, Marti. I think I know more about your kinks than I really should. I wonder if there is a Mr. Marti, and whether I should feel sorry for him or whether you visit dungeons together? Angel bondage and torture in this ep? Yeah.

I am totally shocked what WB let Joss and Co. get away with, seriously: s&m, implications of threesomes and huge twistedness of sexual nature. Seriously. The whole scene with mad-as-mad Dru, jealous and possessive Spike and manipulative Angel was pretty much awesome. Especially since clearly in Buffy world torture of hot men involves shirt removal first. I guess Dru isn't that crazy, after all. Side note of a more serious nature. Angel is a lot more 'grown-up' around his former vamp crew, isn't he? Which makes sense. While he might have relatively little practice with being sweet or in love or even psychically functional, he (or his memory bank) has plenty of practice being twisted.

Twistedness and sexiness aside...

WML is one of my faves. What can I say, I am a rabid Buffy/Angel shipper and this has everything I like: hurt/comfort (aplenty), sneaking into each other's rooms, skating, and Buffy stating that Spike can come after her but nobody messes with her boyfriend :)

So permit me to get some B/A stuff out of the way first before I get into the awesomeness of it all. I love the scene when he takes her skating. It's such a kdrama. But what I love even more is when he is in his vamp face and is all 'you shouldn't have to touch me when I am like this' and is all shame-filled and all on one of his 'unworthiness' kicks and she very gently says 'Oh. I didn't even notice' and takes off her gloves and touches his face and then kisses him. *melts into a giant puddle of shippery goo*

I love her coming to Angel's house and falling asleep on his bed for comfort. AWWWWW. Or the bit in the end, when she sees him tied up and helpless in the Church of Evil and her face. *shippy squee* And I love that she cradles him afterwards and he is about five times as big as is :) And then her and Kendra help him out of there and he totally looms over them, even then :P Yes, I am a sucker for height differences.

And of course she goes berserk when Angel is taken by Spike and is in danger. I love BtVS for many reasons but one of them is because they reversed the trope of damsel-in-distress. The tiny girl is the one who can outfight everyone and she is the one who will rescue her bf (who, btw, is tough himself. I hate stories that purport to be feminist by giving a strong woman a doormat boyfriend, as if no strong or smart man would ever want to put up with a strong woman).

Just as I like that when there is torture involved on Buffy (btw, I defy anyone to tell me that all the torture scenes with Angel or Spike through the seven seasons aren't meant at least in part to ogle), it more often than not involves men and not women, and is such a reversal of the typical thing showbiz does with women. Let me put it this way: in the rest of REELworld, it's always women getting tortured. Women get tortured in such a fashion too much in reality for me to be ever comfortable with it in fiction.

A lot of this ep is the tension within Buffy between her calling and the fact that she is a normal person who wants a normal life (as she says to Angel in the beginning. Girl, don't drop those ideas into his guilt-loving brain. Do you want him to get his own show?). I think it's a tension that runs consistently through the show. If it happened (as if sort of does at the end), I wonder if she would be able to function without importance and adrenalin. Early S2 Buffy, yes, I think, she is not so deep in yet. Though even she will miss it. I think it's the lack of choice that bothers her the most.

Kendra amuses me if for nothing else but winning the tough competition for the worst accent on BtVS hands down. WTF? :P So does Buffy's jealosy when Giles starts paying attention to Kendra. She so views him as a father and it's as if another sibling sprang up.

Spike/Dru continue their delicious, twisted, irresistable romance. When he picks her up in his arms and spins her around...*swoon* But ironically, even though Spike is doing everything possible to heal Dru, this time when she is helpless and needs him must be the happiest time in his life. Spike needs to be needed, so desperately. Which is an odd thing to say about an unrepentant creature of evil (at that point) but there it is...

Cordy/Xander and Bug Man, ROFL. They crack me up so. I could never ship them or take them seriously as a couple but they certainly brought in the LOLs. The only thing they have in common is immaturity...

Oh, Oz. Oz. Oz. OZZZZZZZ. I love Oz so much and Willow/Oz does funny things to my insides. He is so funny, and matter-of-fact and eccentric and adorable and whether it is his simply mentioning 'you have the sweetest smile' in the middle of his dissertation on animal crackers and continuing if nothing happened, or getting Willow out of the way of the gun, or commenting on his lack of interest in working. Seriously. OZZZZZZZZZZ. There is not enough love in the universe for the fannish love I feel for Oz. I mean, he is even cooler than Seth Green himself ;)

Planning for career day. We never had that in my high school which seems a good thing :)



Spike and Dru. Who knew evil boyfriends were so solicitous of their evil girlfriends:





Angel manages to look emo even while bonding with Buffy's stuffed animal:



Cute!









This, in a nutshell, why I love Giles :)



Do vamps raid stores at night or do they shop at Bed Bath and Beyond of Evil?



AHHHHHH!!!!! WILLOW/OZ!!!!!!!



I just like this:



Kendra and the outfit of horror:



Because I love Giles:



I love this scene SO MUCH. So much.















Angel. Smash.





And that's Buffy and Kendra in a nutshell:



And I am about to learn more about Marti Noxon's preferences than I want to:



Love that scene...



Definitely Bed Bath and Beyond of Evil:



Eeee, Spikey.







I know, I know, I hate watching other people PDA's too:







Girl bonding. Hmmm, perhaps bonding is not a good word to use seeing the stuff in these eps :)



Heeee.



WILLOW! OZ! Yes, again the capitals.









Maybe I should lay off Marti Noxon, seeing that I am posting the screencaps with glee :)









Man, I really hope bunches of teenage girls didn't get their ideas about sex from Buffy. :D



I love this scene with scary love but I repeat what I just said a second earlier :)









Seriously, bondage gets a whole new meaning:



AWWWWWWWW. Super-AWWWWW.





I am rendered incoherent again. Especially when he tells her she has the sweetest smile.









Bye, accent girl:



Eeeeevil Dru:



TED

I really like this ep because it takes the spectre of an abusive parent and not only gives it the Sunnydale twist (he is a homicidal robot!) but it turns the table and the little teenager is not helpless in domestic abuse. YES.

Buffy's terror and guilt when she thinks she killed a real person? I loved that part. It wasn't something the show going to dwell on in S2, because it had a different story to tell, but I liked the little taste.

You know Giles and Jenny are doomed because there are sweet, angst-free smoochies at the end. The same is true for Buffy and Angel, because the scene when she helps change banages and pours out her indignation at Ted, and then he asks her to kiss him is...sweet and perfect. We know it's all about to hell.

Oh. Oh. One more ep and Surprise. No matter how many times I've seen it and know what happens, it makes my stomach hurt and I keep hoping for a different outcome.

Friend OT3 :)



Mmm, playing nurse :)







Poor guilty Buffy:



I love this shot:



This is the sign of dooooooom:



Caps got the usual place :)

Date: 2008-08-02 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinclair-furie.livejournal.com
So I've never watched the first four seasons of Buffy, which I understand is a bit of a bizarre situation to be in. But! Prompted by your rewatch, I started watching season 1 yesterday.

:)

I miss Spike, though. I was a pretty hardcore Spike/Buffy shipper back in the day, probably because I found Spike so overwhelmingly hot that I wanted to see him naked always, and I wanted him to get whatever he wanted.

Date: 2008-08-03 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Yay, hope you like!

I was never a S/B shipper because was too rabid a B/A shipper, but yes, Spike is awesome and looks better nekkid :)

Date: 2008-08-03 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinclair-furie.livejournal.com
Haha, yeah, I missed out on the whole B/A thing...

...excuse me, I have to stare at your icon a bit more.

Date: 2008-08-02 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ulkis.livejournal.com
:points to icon: Plus Buffy was good at friendships too. (I didn't really care who was paired in the first three seasons, 'cause overall it was all so good. I did always kinda want Xander and Willow together. But Oz is so cool, who could hate him?)

I love the scene when he takes her skating.

That's a cute scene, although Buffy skating by herself goes on a mite too long.

Kendra's accent: Hee. Every once in a while I will still bust out the "That's me favorite shirt! That's me only shirt!" I still vote for Angel's accent as the worst though, because at least we don't know where Kendra comes from.

Ted isn't one of my favorites, but John Ritter did such a great job in Ted. He was so creepy.

Date: 2008-08-03 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I love your icon! And I do love that friendship is such a driving force with the show.

I thought Kendra was from Jamaica? Or was I hallucinating...

Date: 2008-08-03 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ulkis.livejournal.com
Re: icon, thank you!

I know they never actually say where Kendra is from, but now that I think about it they may have specified where her plane was coming from.

Date: 2008-08-02 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sodahands.livejournal.com
I love your Buffy rewatch posts!

What's My Line Parts 1 & 2 always turns me into goo.
And OOOZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

Date: 2008-08-03 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Oz makes me so happy. And WML is such an awesome awesome set of episodes. With a side of s&m :)

Date: 2008-08-03 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sodahands.livejournal.com
I can't believe that the WB of all networks actually let them get away with that.

I think Oz might be my favourite guy in Buffyverse. The love for Oz just can't be helped!

Date: 2008-08-03 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I think Angel (at least as he was in on Buffy) is my fave, but Oz is the only guy in Buffy/Angelverse I'd want to date in RL.

Date: 2008-08-03 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sodahands.livejournal.com
Angel was my favourite too in the beginning but the more I watched/rewatched the first couple seasons the more I liked Oz and now he's my favourite.

Date: 2008-08-03 12:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Oh, Oz! He and Willow made such an awesome short couple :)

Date: 2008-08-03 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sodahands.livejournal.com
IKR! I loved them together so much that I couldn't really get into Willow/Tara (I'm trying to forget that Willow/Kennedy ever happened).

Date: 2008-08-03 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Icon! Heee. Gil Dong approves.

Tara was a character I was largely indifferent to, but oh boy, she was way better than Kennedy. Yikes. I don't think I know anyone who liked Kennedy.

Mr. Mousie thinks the show went rapidly downhill after S3. Not sure if I agree entirely, but I do think that while S4-5 have some amazing eps, they are uneven. And don't even get me started on 6 and 7...

(Yes, my husband likes Buffy :P Even if he thinks Xander and Giles are the only realistic men in the bunch :))

Date: 2008-08-03 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sodahands.livejournal.com
Ugh, Kennedy! Just DO NOT WANT!

My favourites are the first three seasons. I like Season 4 episode-wise but the Big Bad and the season long arc just bored me. Adam = most boring villain ever, imo. S5 I can't completely dislike because there were some great episodes but S6 & 7, oy vey. I really REALLY did not like them.

It's so cool that Mr. Mousie likes Buffy!

(Oh could you point me to some Capital Scandal/Hong Gil Dong icons please?)

Date: 2008-08-03 03:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Totally agreed with every word.

[livejournal.com profile] miss_dian and [livejournal.com profile] alexandral made some awesome HGD and CS icons.

Date: 2008-08-03 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sodahands.livejournal.com
Yay thank you!

Date: 2008-08-02 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vanimy.livejournal.com
LMAO!!

Your screencaps and comments are made of win and seriously made me want to watch BtVS again. I can't believe they put so much bondage and s&m stuff in there! I had never realized how far they went in the earlier seasons too.

Oh and I loved Xander/Cordelia as much as I loved Willow/Oz myself. I thought they were cute together and they did bring out good things in each other (Cordelia softened and Xander was more self-confident) and they were so much fun. *sigh* Always felt Anya was a bad copy of Cordelia anyway (oh and don't get me started on the Cordy/Angel stuff in Angel... *gags*)

That skating scene with B/A. Am totally there with you on the awesomeness of it. So totally 'Beauty and the Beast.'

I am also so glad Joss Whedon was such a precursor in his portrayal of strong women (no wonder RTD took him as an example for New 'Who' and BTW your comment about Angel and Buffy and wanting a normal life made me wonder if RTD hadn't gotten inspired by this for his Ten/Rose ending, but I digress...). 'Buffy' stays a reference because it just throws away all the clichés about tiny blondes and teenagers and women/men relationships. No wonder Buffy was my role model in high school. ;)

On a very sidenote, I think I can see now what Jenny found in Giles (at the time I was just like 'hey, he's old'... now, I find him well enough. ;))

Date: 2008-08-03 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Yay! I am so excited! Rewatches are awesome. The s&m stuff is really blatant for me this time around.

Always felt Anya was a bad copy of Cordelia anyway (oh and don't get me started on the Cordy/Angel stuff in Angel... *gags*)


I think we will definitely agree on both of these.

So totally 'Beauty and the Beast.'

And totally ties to Darla's comment in S1 when she sarcastically asked Angel if he thought she would see his 'true face' and give him a kiss. Because she does. EEEEE!

wonder if RTD hadn't gotten inspired by this for his Ten/Rose ending, but I digress...

I wonder...now this is some sort of mind-equivalent of an earworm and the thought won't go away.

at the time I was just like 'hey, he's old'... now, I find him well enough. ;))

LOL. Oh, me too!

Date: 2008-08-03 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vanimy.livejournal.com
And totally ties to Darla's comment in S1 when she sarcastically asked Angel if he thought she would see his 'true face' and give him a kiss. Because she does. EEEEE!

Ooh... I had forgotten about this!

wonder if RTD hadn't gotten inspired by this for his Ten/Rose ending, but I digress...

I wonder...now this is some sort of mind-equivalent of an earworm and the thought won't go away.


Sorry! The thought just popped into my head as I wrote your review, like 'Oh. RTD is a 'Buffy' fan. Normal life, having kids and all??' And the more I thought about it, the more I could see the parallels between B/A and Doctor/Rose. Not that RTD wrote a bad copy of B/A because the two pairings are quite different, but some similarities struck me all of a sudden. *ponders*

Date: 2008-08-03 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
That would make for a wonderful essay! *ponders too*

Date: 2008-08-02 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] animeshon.livejournal.com
*sighs* Oh Oz! How I miss you.

Oz & Willow were one of those relationships I loved right from Halloween

I never really thought about the S&M in the show before, I guess it went over my head but now I re-watch it and go gee! no wonder it got moved to the 10:30 timeslot in Australia :)

Date: 2008-08-03 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I, too, loved W&O from the start, but I started the show when they were already a couple, so not sure how valid that is :)

I noticed the s&m and the sexing the first time around, too, but now that I am older (and if not wiser, then at least sicker-minded), it stands out a lot more.

Date: 2008-08-03 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kathputli-girl.livejournal.com
Heh, I don't know what is more fun - rewatching Buffy or reading about your re-watch! 8D
Yay Oz and Willow!!

Date: 2008-08-03 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
*is highly flattered*

Love W/O!!!!

Date: 2008-08-03 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crumpeteer.livejournal.com
I love Spike, mainly because he WAS such a screwed up and needy character. All he really needed, good or evil, was someone to really NEED him and be devoted to him. I think that came from being a fairly nice person when he was alive an carried over to being a vampire. Angel on the other hand was a rat bastard from human to vampire, so it makes sense that the soul would be a new, rather painful thing as he barely used the one he had when he had it.

Date: 2008-08-03 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Agreed. I do think some personality traits carry over. Obviously, vampire=demon and desire to off people and be evil and horrid, but under that baseline, there often seem to be some small shreds of original personality (liking for books for nerdy vamp, or redneck vamps, or Spike's fixation on being needed or what not).

Date: 2008-08-03 05:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessdeep.livejournal.com
Aw. What a great picspam. It's really makes me want to watch it all over again. Although for now I might settle with another viewing of Once More, With Feeling. I still can't believe Buffy kissed Angel with his fugly vamp face. *shudder* Those Buffy vamps were uuuugly. I mean when they had their vamp faces on, of course. When they didn't they were quite gorgeous. :)
Edited Date: 2008-08-03 05:03 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-08-03 05:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
OMWF is, indeed, deeply awesome.

I'd kiss with the fangs: a chance to earn gratitude of a (in his normal state) hottie, is a good good thing :) Just be careful not to cut yourself on his incisors.

Date: 2008-08-03 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madame-parker.livejournal.com
When I watched season 2, I was 14, didn't have the internet so I knew nothing about fandom but looking back now I can say quite happily that Oz/Willow were my first OTP. I adored them, to me he was the perfect boyfriend. I liked Buffy/Angel as well but even back then I was the girl whose head was not in the clouds but in the real world and Oz/Willow seemed so much more real than everything else on the show. It broke my heart when they broke up in season 3, it just wasn't right. I was never happy with how these two were handled in the other seasons, I loved Tara and found her and Willow just as cute but at heart I was still pining after Oz. Thank god for Spike, he made everything better. :)

Date: 2008-08-03 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Yeah, Oz is the only one I'd want to date in RL :(

Date: 2008-08-03 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fivil.livejournal.com
Aw, man, Willow/Oz was such an OTP for me. I usually go for the secondary OTP and this was definitely one such case. I didn't oppose her dating Tara (me, oppose canon slash? no way!) but the way they sort of negated Willow/Oz just friggin' broke my heart. Goddammit. :(

Date: 2008-08-03 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Yeah, I was very annoyed by 'gay now' thing. I mean, how hard is it to look up bisexual in the dictionary?

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