Two more ROTS thoughts

[dangermousie]

Yes, I know I wrote a VERY long write-up a bit earlier. But these popped into my head. They shouldn't be more than very mildly spoilery, but I am putting them behind a cut just in case:



1. Throughout the movie both Obi-Wan and Anakin refer to each other as being brothers. This makes so much sense. Anakin does not see Obi as a parental figure (they way they both see Qui-Gon), but an older brother. And when a sibling tries to parent you, you are just going to find him bossy and obnoxious. So the whole brother relationship might have prevented Anakin from listening to Obi the way he would have if he viewed him as a father figure. Obi-Wan really was too young.

2. This is very sappy, but I don't care. I keep wishing that after Vader dies in ROTJ, he could find Padme in the after life. Yeah, Yoda was talking as if ability to be ghosts a la Obi in OT is newly discovered, but I am assuming that didn't mean there was no afterlife previously. It just that before no one could take a visible shape and communicate with the living (figures that it would be the rebel Qui-Gon who would be too stubborn to stay put). Because I simply must believe that they would find each other again, and be together again, after she makes him sleep on a cosmic couch. I truly hope that he finds her again.

I love how this starts out relatively relaxed and light (R2D2 comic touches are great), and slowly picks up speed, inevitability, and tragedy exponentially. Pacing in this one is great.

Comments

[crumpeteer.livejournal.com]

If anyone deserves to be reunited in the afterlife, it's Anakin, Padme and Obi Wan. The brothers deserve to be back together and the husband and wife do as well. I wish they would have CGI-ed the younger version of Obi Wan in with the younger Anakin as well in the DVD version of ROTJ. It would have made things completely happy, which is the spirit of that movie.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Oh yes, I would have loved that.

[ewanspotter.livejournal.com]

And when a sibling tries to parent you, you are just going to find him bossy and obnoxious.

That is a perfect explanation.. Now, as a child and teen I could see Obi as more of the "father" to him, but as Anakin aged and realized just how close in age he was to Obi-Wan, the relationship turned to one of brothership. And yes, Obi really was just too young. Stupid Qui-Gon. Stupid Yoda. You failed Obi just as much as he failed Anakin.

[ewanspotter.livejournal.com]

Yeah, but having Young Anankin in there makes sense. Having a Young Obi-Wan doesn't (not that I wouldn't have *loved* seeing it mind you). The point of putting Hayden in ROTJ was to see him before the turn, when he was still a Jedi, still good and of the Light. Obi never turned, obviously, so having him younger doesn't really do anything, except possibly confuse Luke. lol

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

Agreed. No matter how much they ended up loving each other, the fact is that a padawan, especially one as rebellious as Anakin needed a father figure. He did not get it in his Master, so unfortunately he turned to Palpatine.

[lazypadawan.livejournal.com]

I agree with you 100%.

Though "brother" Obi really did a crappy thing by letting Anakin suffer so horribly.

In any case, I don't think Qui-Gon suddenly discovered a way to remain an individual soul or whatever. I think it's a truth he discovered and was able to convey back from the dead. The Jedi were so blind in many, many ways.

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

I agree that leaving Anakin there on the sand was horrible. Horrible, horrible, horrible. No one emerges this movie unscathed. And no one is triumphant except for Palpatine.

Re: Qui-Gon. I love your theory. It makes so much sense.

[wasabi-girl1.livejournal.com]

1. I was thinking about that too...didn't Ani say he thought that Obi was like his father in AotC?

[elvensapphire.livejournal.com]

Yes he does. Padme says, "He's your friend, your mentor" and he responds in a yell, "He's like my father!" And then they head to save him on Geonosis.

Oh, and there's also the scene in the bar. "Why do I get the feeling you're going to be the death of me?"
"Don't say that, Master. You're the closest thing I have to a father."
"Then why won't you listen to me?"

But I think the crux of it is how Anakin has grown up. They are like brothers because Anakin is mature. He becomes a man, and a good one, and a strong one, and because of that his relationship with Obi-Wan transforms itself into that of best friends and brothers. Anakin is no longer the underling, and Obi-Wan respects him deeply. Anakin has never let him down, and Obi-Wan believes he never will. Such is the tragedy.

[wasabi-girl1.livejournal.com]

True, I was re-reading the Episode 1 book, and the relationship between Obi and Ani has always been very interesting...ooh, I am so obsessed right now! :D

[dangermousie.livejournal.com]

So am I!

[elvensapphire.livejournal.com]

I understand the obsession!!! It's fascinating to analyze some of this stuff.

I just got the novelization of Episode I...The part with Ani and the Sand People absolutely tore me apart. He's so honest and good, and everyone/everything fails him.

[wasabi-girl1.livejournal.com]

Did you notice how he starts talking about sand people, and somehow ends up talking about losing his mother? Scaaaandalous! ;)