Prosecutor Princess ep 14 thoughts
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dangermousie1. I don't care whether Ma Sang Tae killed that guy 15 years ago or not, he is a freaking awesome father and I love him. If In Woo's machinations land him in jail, I won't forgive IW. I don't care about his justification and all. But I still don't believe he is a murderer - he is a lousy husband (even if a great father) and an unethical businessman but a murderer he is not - not on purpose at least. And it's nice to know whatever else he didn't frame In Woo's father - he just falsified his own alibi and that led to IW's father conviction.
2. How much do I love that there is no love triangle. I so appreciate that I have never got a romantic vibe from Jenny, In Woo's friend - all her reactions, even her dislike of Hyeri, read as reactions of a close friend. She dislikes Hyeri because she is the daughter of MST who caused all that trouble for IW and because she is making IW conflicted, but I do not see even a hint of jealousy there.
3. In Woo, oh In Woo, what shall we do with you? He is the most fascinating character in this - he makes me so torn. Half the time I want to make it all better and adore him and the other half I want to stab him in the face.
I remain convinced that PP came about when someone wondered "how would it be if we made Mawang into a romantic comedy?" (For a kdrama defition of comedy - i.e. more tears than an Elizabethan tragedy, just with a happy ending). And that is why I am so torn on shipping him with Hyeri. It's the same reaction I had for Joo Ji Hoon and Shin Min Ah's characters in Mawang - I adored them so much, all that torment and restraint, but I couldn't ultimately sign off on them in any long-term way because JJH was simply too broken. And I get the same thing here with In Woo/Hyeri. I adore them together but no - no. No. It's not workable. He's simply too messed up for a functional relationship - what he needs is a decade of therapy before he can be in a romantic relationship that works. And while in some ways In Woo is better off than the protagonist of Mawang (he has not caused deaths of anyone), in another way, he is much worse. In Mawang, JJH's relationship with SMA was the most healing thing in his life - she was not connected with the badness of his past at all - in fact she tried to help even when they were kids. If fate left them alone, who knows, she may have healed him eventually, with enough time and peace. But Hyeri is no external angel of any sort - she is the daughter of the man who as good as killed In Woo's parents in front of his eyes. That relationship wouldn't be healing, it will be a flaming trainwreck - they will end up in a psychiatric unit. Hyeri's loving heart or not, I cannot see her being with a man who put her loved father in jail (and there is the residual familial guilt mixed in) and for In Woo - the same - no matter what, she is still Ma Sang Tae's daughter. It's as if in Mawang, Uhm Tae Woong had a sister and Joo Ji Hoon fell in love with her. Total trainwreck.
That is why I keep thinking Ma Sang Tae isn't really a deliberate murderer - because unless the writer is insane, PP will have a happy ending and not a Mawang one. (Though even then, honestly, I still think In Woo needs MAJOR therapy. This is one drama that needs a time jump). I think it would be lovely if MST is innocent of the murder - it will teach In Woo to use people and jump to conlcusions. Just as I loved that he had to promise Ma Sang Tae to leave Hyeri in exchange for MST confessing - now he has to pay with something he greatly desires too. In fact, when he offered MST choice between past and future (i.e. he can protect his past and hide the murder or he can protect his future -i.e. Hyeri - In Woo will disappear out of Hyeri's life in exchange for a confession), he has the same choice - his past - the memory of his dead father cleared, or his future - letting go of past hurt and chosing to be happy with Hyeri. Ma Sang Tae chose the future and In Woo chose the past. Which just goes to show that whatever his faults Ma Sang Tae is way better adjusted and with knowledge of priorities than In Woo. I felt like screaming at the screen during that scene - sure clearing Daddy's name is praiseworthy, but the man is dead, it makes no difference to him, so how can you pick the dead against chance of present happiness? (The same I felt in Mawang and many revenge dramas. It's different with something like Green Rose, where protagonist is trying to clear his own name, but when it's just the dead people's honor, I want to shake the avenger and tell him to snap out of it and actually live).
4. Serious Prosecutor and Lady Prosecutor bore me. I am glad they will get together but they are sort of dull.
ETA: Because this reminded me of my undying love for Mawang, have a shippy MV:
2. How much do I love that there is no love triangle. I so appreciate that I have never got a romantic vibe from Jenny, In Woo's friend - all her reactions, even her dislike of Hyeri, read as reactions of a close friend. She dislikes Hyeri because she is the daughter of MST who caused all that trouble for IW and because she is making IW conflicted, but I do not see even a hint of jealousy there.
3. In Woo, oh In Woo, what shall we do with you? He is the most fascinating character in this - he makes me so torn. Half the time I want to make it all better and adore him and the other half I want to stab him in the face.
I remain convinced that PP came about when someone wondered "how would it be if we made Mawang into a romantic comedy?" (For a kdrama defition of comedy - i.e. more tears than an Elizabethan tragedy, just with a happy ending). And that is why I am so torn on shipping him with Hyeri. It's the same reaction I had for Joo Ji Hoon and Shin Min Ah's characters in Mawang - I adored them so much, all that torment and restraint, but I couldn't ultimately sign off on them in any long-term way because JJH was simply too broken. And I get the same thing here with In Woo/Hyeri. I adore them together but no - no. No. It's not workable. He's simply too messed up for a functional relationship - what he needs is a decade of therapy before he can be in a romantic relationship that works. And while in some ways In Woo is better off than the protagonist of Mawang (he has not caused deaths of anyone), in another way, he is much worse. In Mawang, JJH's relationship with SMA was the most healing thing in his life - she was not connected with the badness of his past at all - in fact she tried to help even when they were kids. If fate left them alone, who knows, she may have healed him eventually, with enough time and peace. But Hyeri is no external angel of any sort - she is the daughter of the man who as good as killed In Woo's parents in front of his eyes. That relationship wouldn't be healing, it will be a flaming trainwreck - they will end up in a psychiatric unit. Hyeri's loving heart or not, I cannot see her being with a man who put her loved father in jail (and there is the residual familial guilt mixed in) and for In Woo - the same - no matter what, she is still Ma Sang Tae's daughter. It's as if in Mawang, Uhm Tae Woong had a sister and Joo Ji Hoon fell in love with her. Total trainwreck.
That is why I keep thinking Ma Sang Tae isn't really a deliberate murderer - because unless the writer is insane, PP will have a happy ending and not a Mawang one. (Though even then, honestly, I still think In Woo needs MAJOR therapy. This is one drama that needs a time jump). I think it would be lovely if MST is innocent of the murder - it will teach In Woo to use people and jump to conlcusions. Just as I loved that he had to promise Ma Sang Tae to leave Hyeri in exchange for MST confessing - now he has to pay with something he greatly desires too. In fact, when he offered MST choice between past and future (i.e. he can protect his past and hide the murder or he can protect his future -i.e. Hyeri - In Woo will disappear out of Hyeri's life in exchange for a confession), he has the same choice - his past - the memory of his dead father cleared, or his future - letting go of past hurt and chosing to be happy with Hyeri. Ma Sang Tae chose the future and In Woo chose the past. Which just goes to show that whatever his faults Ma Sang Tae is way better adjusted and with knowledge of priorities than In Woo. I felt like screaming at the screen during that scene - sure clearing Daddy's name is praiseworthy, but the man is dead, it makes no difference to him, so how can you pick the dead against chance of present happiness? (The same I felt in Mawang and many revenge dramas. It's different with something like Green Rose, where protagonist is trying to clear his own name, but when it's just the dead people's honor, I want to shake the avenger and tell him to snap out of it and actually live).
4. Serious Prosecutor and Lady Prosecutor bore me. I am glad they will get together but they are sort of dull.
ETA: Because this reminded me of my undying love for Mawang, have a shippy MV:
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Date: 2010-05-14 04:58 pm (UTC)My bet , however, is that there was an accident or something like this (involving Ma Sang Tae) and IW's father got killed. This can be overcome by the leads, like it happened in "Winter Queen".
2) IW doesn't give me "broken" vibe so far
I felt like screaming at the screen during that scene - sure clearing Daddy's name is praiseworthy, but the man is dead, it makes no difference to him, so how can you pick the dead against chance of present happiness?
I totally disagree - murderers should be punished, regardless, otherwise there is no justice.
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Date: 2010-05-14 05:09 pm (UTC)2. He does to me. (How far are you - I am through ep 14). He is not a messed up as Seung Ha in Mawang (though his backstory is pretty similar) but that is a high bar for dysfunctinality to set. He is at least as messed up as the hero of Resurrection e.g. and there I also didn't want him with the heroine without some time passing and him changing and reflecting on what he has done. Anyone who can have such macchiavellian plots and use people like that while getting emotionally close to them on purpose - nobody I'd want to date or have a friend date, ever. Not without some therapy. And someone dwelling on revenge for 15 years - also not someone one should be with.
Murderers should be punished in abstract yes, but if the choice is to let a murderer go free (who will not kill again) and have happiness in your life, or catch him and lose all happiness, I think one should pick the former. It's not as if In Woo is a prosecutor himself or anything.
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Date: 2010-05-14 05:17 pm (UTC)This is a serious one, I think I wouldn't be able to be with him too. This is why I thin it will all be revealed.
He does to me. (How far are you - I am through ep 14).
I have watched 3 eps. YUM I say. I like them damaged. :D But! I get the dwelling on revenge bit, actually.
Murderers should be punished in abstract yes, but if the choice is to let a murderer go free (who will not kill again) and have happiness in your life, or catch him and lose all happiness, I think one should pick the former. It's not as if In Woo is a prosecutor himself or anything.
I think for me it is more than abstract, it is social justice and it is the closure for victim's relatives. I would personally put this higher than my own feelings. With no-one affected 9no relatives) - still, no. The main thing here for me, I think is repentance. If the murderer repented he would go to police anyways, and if he not repented- no I don't want him to live happy life when the person he killed is dead. This is wrong.
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Date: 2010-05-14 05:55 pm (UTC)I feel like the writer wrote MST's character in a way where we see that he is very flawed but he's not capable of murder. Imo the stepmother from Brilliant Legacy is more believable as a murderer than MST.
3. In Woo I think has a major case of survivor's guilt and the only way he knows how to deal with it is this big revenge scheme. He spent his entire life on it and he just can't let it go. Obviously he needs a 100 years of therapy but I also kind of get why he feels like he has to do this. Blaming MST for everything (I mean seriously dude your mother's death was an accident. It could very well have happened in Korea with your father well and alive too) and coming up with this elaborate plan to avenge his dead parents and clear his father's name is a(n unhealthy) coping mechanism for him. And falling in love with his (perceived) enemy's daughter only adds to his guilt. I worry about his mental stability tbh.
This is a drama that needs a time jump. Hyeri and In woo need to be away from each other for a while whatever the outcome of the case/mystery may be. They need time to themselves to figure things out and put things into perspective. And I think they know this too.
4. Ngl I always found them boring. I'm now sort of indifferent to them but I really wish Lady Prosecutor wouldn't act like a school girl and run off whenever Prosecutor Yoon smiles or does anything. It's annoying.
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Date: 2010-05-14 08:47 pm (UTC)What kind of a logic is that? What are you talking about? Ok, now you are being totally biased (Motherhood is totally clouding your judgment!!!)
"If In Woo's machinations land him in jail, I won't forgive IW."
MST can`t be put in jail if he didn`t do anything legally wrong. But he did. How the hell is IW responsible for that? Ignorance is bliss-is that your motto? There is nothing wrong with IW showing Hyeri what kind of a person her father really is(watch the last episode of When Spring Comes and you`ll find out why *if you already don`t know*). On the other hand the fact that he didn`t do it out of good intentions is wrong AND not a good bases for a relationship.
"Murderers should be punished in abstract yes, but if the choice is to let a murderer go free (who will not kill again) and have happiness in your life, or catch him and lose all happiness, I think one should pick the former. It's not as if In Woo is a prosecutor himself or anything."
That is a seriously disturbing opinion. I know you never had to deal with this kind of people in real life BUT that doesn`t justify what you just said.
You have a kid -if someone kills your kid you would let that person go free cuz (s)he says (s)he will not do it again ??? No, you would not. The same thing would happen if someone killed your husband or your parents, right?
And really ,if your father or your husband (for example)kill someone and you are aware of it, there is no way you would go on with your life as if nothing happened -it would not matter if he(your father or your husband) is free or not- how would it feel sleeping next to a murderer or having lunch with one?
AND I can`t believe this is coming from the same person who is utterly disgusted by Myung Hun`s character in EOE (BTW, you didn`t finish watching EOE, right?)-What? Murder is less serious than rape? Ha?!
AND WT* murderers shouldn`t be punished as long (s)he seems like (s)he will not do it again???
BTW simple psychology: if one can get away with a crime once , in similar circumstances one will repeat the crime- well if that person never finds himself/herself in similar circumstances he/she will never murder anyone again but how can you be so sure it will never happen again? YOU CAN`T!!! That is the reason why the law exists.
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Date: 2010-05-14 08:58 pm (UTC)A. I am sure Ma Sang Tae didn`t murder that guy , but he covered up the truth which legally makes him and all the other people involved in that cover up ACCOMPLICES which means jail time-there is no way out except if the statute of limitations expired*BTW in this case it hasn`t*(I am not a lawyer, but even a 5 year old knows this much about the law)- on the other hand MST isn`t legally responsible for the death of IW`s father(though he is morally partially responsible for it-cuz he thought : the guy is dead and I can`t do anything about it so i`ll use this situation the best way I can and as long as I am happy I don`t want to even think what could happen to the person who is in jail because I chose this path or that person`s family).
B. MST is not such a great father - he provided financially for Hyeri and he certainly wasn`t a bad father, but he still wanted to marry her off without any regard for how she feels about it AND why was Hyeri so immature and insecure at this point of life,ha ?- parenting isn`t about putting your child under a glass bell and protecting them from all kinds of danger- it`s about letting your child grow a freaking backbone and a mind of their own(even if it means they are not going to think or behave the way you would like them to think or behave).
And did Hyeri and his wife asked him to do those bad things (he admitted doing earlier)in order to get richer? They didn`t!!! He did those things without consulting with them and now he is using them (his wife,Hyeri and his future grandchildren)as his excuse!!! If his wife was ambitious and his daughter spend-full from the start I would believe it BUT they were not so he doesn`t really have a point there.
What I am trying to say is : Yes , he never meant to hurt anyone(especially not his family) but that does not mean he is a good man and a great father.
He defiantly isn`t an evil man and a bad father either- I think he is just really selfish and thoughtless most of the time(if he really thought about the possible consequences of his actions he would not cover up the murder and I am not talking about IW`s father suicide- I am talking about the fact that truth always comes out-he should have thought about his family`s reaction to what he did -THAT IS WHAT A RESPONSIBLE PERSON AND A GOOD FATHER WOULD DO)
Seriously ,hasn't`t anyone taken philosophy classes in high school or uni? This (good vs evil, good intentions/bad consequences vs the possibility of bad intentions/good consequences )is a part of every single philosophy course(I think the title of the lesson is MORAL! Sounds familiar?!) .
C.In Woo- the way he is now is perfectly normal in cases like this, but he needs to get over it(he is in his early 30`s dammit) - I don`t think he needs therapy at this point, what he needs is to touch rock bottom (AND HE IS ABOUT TO EXPERIENCE JUST THAT!!!) and some time - lots of therapy would help, though.LOL
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Date: 2010-05-14 08:59 pm (UTC)D. "In fact, when he offered MST choice between past and future .... Ma Sang Tae chose the future and In Woo chose the past.Which just goes to show that whatever his faults Ma Sang Tae is way better adjusted and with knowledge of priorities than In Woo."
We can`t see how how IW and Hyeri could end up together, imagine if you were IW- do you think he believes he has any future with Hyeri? No, he does not!!!! That means he had only one option- the past.
MST couldn`t choose past cuz there are to many evidence against him (he is not the murderer but legally he IS an accomplice) and there is no turning back- his only option was the future (if you want to name it that way)
Also people in their late 50`s should be better adjusted and with more knowledge of priorities compared to those in their late early 30`s. DAH!!! It`s only natural!! BTW let`s be clear about something here: MST didn`t have his priorities straight until episode 14.
E. Lady Prosecutor and Serious Prosecutor(especially him) were always utterly dull and a waste of screen time ,but you were biased before (cuz of Chuno)LOL
P.S. You are comparing this with Mawang A LOT, but this drama has a lot more similarities with When Spring Comes - You should seriously watch When Spring Comes and pay close attention to KNG`s character(especially in the last episode)-in fact if you don`t have time to watch the whole thing read the synopsis and watch the last episode only(see the way Park Si Yeon and Kim Nam Gil`s characters became a couple) and you will SEE what I am trying to tell you(for sure!!!).
Partner had a "family and morals" theme, as well.
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Date: 2010-05-14 09:19 pm (UTC)MST couldn`t choose past cuz there are to many evidence against him
But he doesn't know that - in fact he is acting from the assumption he could get off scot-free if it wasn't for IW's blackmail about Hyeri (otherwise there'd be no need for blackmail, IW would just go to any prosecutor and lay his case out). Honestly speaking, from legal standpoint, unless there is other evidence we haven't seen yet, there is not enough to prove beyond reasonable doubt MST is a murderer from what we've seen - if this went to court, especially with such lacking credibility witnesses, MST would never be convicted, unless Korean legal system is very different. Of course, there is an indication IW has a secret card in which case there may be enough evidence but as is...nope. After all, the fact of IW's dad leaning over a corpse as seen by watchman remains - if MST's alibi is false, it casts doubt on MST but it doesn't remove it from IW's Dad.
MST didn`t have his priorities straight until episode 14.
I think he did, at least as regards Hyeri. He made her go to law school (and not fashion which she was bad at), tried to make her grow up etc, arrange good marriage (even if it would have benefitted him too). He is from tough Daddy school of love but I think he was always, by his lights, a good father.
Re: Other prosecutors. Nah, I still love Chuno to bits and General Choi too. It's just I don't find the two of them fun together - I enjoyed watching serious prosecutor with Hyeri even if I didn't ship them but he and Lady Prosecutor are not dramatically interesting - they are nice, issue-free people who will make a happy family but dramatically, not too fun.
I want to watch WSC now. How many eps though?
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Date: 2010-05-14 09:32 pm (UTC)I am emotionally biased. I get this way in fiction (see my love for Bidam - not a praiseworthy individual in many instances but I don't care :P). My 'not forgiving' IW is not because he doesn't have justice on his side - he does. My problem really arises out of his manipulation of innocents (Hyeri, Hyeri's Mom) and taking advantage of even the guilty parties good feelings (florist's son, MST's love for Hyeri etc). I have had this feeling in every revenge drama except for Green Rose - however deserving the targets may be of vengeance of various sorts, that does not absolve the avenger of moral crimes he has committed. It does not make me love the characters less but it does create a problematic emotional response within me - in seeking revenge, the avenger sinks at least partially to the culpits' level. A good example is Uhm Tae Woong in Resurrection. His revenge was even more necessary than In Woo's - if he didn't go after the guys they'd kill him eventually probably. But the moral depths he plumbed meant he needed to cleanse himself before he could be with his OTP. And I find this to be so in In Woo's case too - in a way, Hyeri's love came too easily to him - she finds out he used her and she tells him she loves him. Granted, she does it because she knows he is genuinely sorry and loves her back but still...I think he needs to pay for using her (one can argue he has paid plenty in his childhood for any future sin he may commit, but I don't believe it works retroactively).
That is why I agree with your comment that On the other hand the fact that he didn`t do it out of good intentions is wrong AND not a good bases for a relationship. If he wanted to reveal the truth to Hyeri because he thought she should know what kind of man her father is, it would be one thing. But this was not even a secondary goal for him.
That is a seriously disturbing opinion. I know you never had to deal with this kind of people in real life BUT that doesn`t justify what you just said.
I've had to deal with them in the context of the justice system but that is another story.
OK, I will never argue with the proposition that murderers (or other criminals) are better in jail than roaming free. But. If the choice is letting a one-time criminal go free (because honestly, for MST, if he is a killer, it was a motive crime - he is severely unlikely to do something like that again) or wrecking your own life utterly, I think the former is a better choice for the individual making it. In the highly specific example of PP, In Woo is better moving on in general - he would have been better off finding his own hapiness in the US and doing his own thing then dedicating his life to such a quest. It consumed his life and made him dysfunctional and now is costing him Hyeri. In his case it would have been better for him to let go. The same for e.g. Mawang. I understnad Seung Ha's longing for vengeance but from a purely personal perspective, he would have been way better off deciding to just move on.
Myung Hun`s character in EOE (BTW, you didn`t finish watching EOE, right?)-What? Murder is less serious than rape? Ha?!
I finished it btw. My problem with MH was the fact that the drama thought that he was worthy of love by his rape victim. That just didn't make sense to me. It's an entirely separate issue than what's going on here. And the kind of murder this was (clearly unpremeditated, who knows what happened) does viscerally bother me less than rape.
If someone I loved committed a crime - I hope that would never come up but it would depend on the type of a crime, really.
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Date: 2010-05-14 09:38 pm (UTC)He is, however, guilty for obstruction of justice. Usually that's not a huge penalty crime in the US and seeing how old the case is, practically speaking I can see the prosecutors not even bothering dealing with it (btw, it's interesting Korea has a statute of limitations for murder. US does not).
I find the whole situation with IW's family vis-a-vis MST very interesting. Because whatever MST's role in the murder, he had no intention of framing IW's Dad. He just wanted to be out of trouble himself. And IW's dad died of a heart attack - not like he got knifed in prison. Stress from false conviction could have contributed to it, or not - he could have keeled over from a heart attack walking down the street, who knows (with his mother, it's even more attenuated - one might as well say it's IW's fault for hiding in that alley - maybe that is why IW seeks justice so assiduously - otherwise he may feel it's all his fault somehow and this is expiation).
I really think IW needs to deal with his issues (with therapy or not). He's a mess now and I do think he will hit rock-bottom soon. I wonder if it will make any difference to his plans if it turns out MST is not a killer - killer or not it's his actions that resulted in the conviction after all.
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Date: 2010-05-14 11:17 pm (UTC)So the whole IW-MST conversation still proves my point and actually makes me think MST is playing with the whole situation. He knows IW thinks he is responsible for the things he isn`t really responsible(cuz OK if use your logic and he is not responsible for anything except for SELFISHLY using the situation for his own benefit)-he knows he can`t be prosecuted as a murderer or accomplice and he knows he can easily be prosecuted for those other things he did (cuz he knows about the pictures) so he is manipulating the whole thing- what he did gives him time to take the pictures and free his daughter of IW`s influence.
MST is totally not above those kinds of manipulations (look how he tried to frame that dead CEO just to get himself out of trouble).
"He made her go to law school (and not fashion which she was bad at)"- that is a good point.
"tried to make her grow up"- NO, HE DIDN`T- she is like 30 and until recently she still lived with her parents and it was only when she embarrassed herself more than a few times *oh and got herself jailed*(therefore she embarrassed him as well)that he took her credit cards and her car from her.
"arrange good marriage (even if it would have benefitted him too)"- if your father did the same you would be grateful-are you trying to say that? ROFL
I really think IW needs to deal with his issues,too- I`ve said it already, but I`m saying it again.
"in seeking revenge, the avenger sinks at least partially to the culpits' level"- yeah, I totally get what you mean
"And I find this to be so in In Woo's case too - in a way, Hyeri's love came too easily to him - she finds out he used her and she tells him she loves him. Granted, she does it because she knows he is genuinely sorry and loves her back but still...I think he needs to pay for using her (one can argue he has paid plenty in his childhood for any future sin he may commit, but I don't believe it works retroactively)"
I think in this just shows how very mature Hyeri is about the whole situation(which is the beauty of this drama cuz remember how immature she was at the beginning). PSH is good at angsting so I might acctualy support your plead for more emotional torture(yeah, it would be nice if she didn`t forgive him that easily cuz I can never have enough of angsty PSH, though I prefer playful and happy PSH). LOL
"AND I can`t believe this is coming from the same person who is utterly disgusted by Myung Hun`s character in EOE"- I didn`t state it ,but I was actuality referring to this sentence ("Unless the crime posed a future threat (i.e. a guy is an active serial killer) or something I find beyond repugnant (child molestation), I would not.")when I said it- I don`t think MST is the killer so I wasn`t comparing him with Myung Hun the rapist- I was just trying to say how you have a weird classification of severity of crimes.
BTW a passive serial killer is still a serial killer-he will kill again at some point LOL (whatshisname was passive for 30 years and decided to kill again cuz he was the police said they thought he died- he got caught cuz he sent a CD to a local TV station - i think it was a warning massage type of thing: I am back, I killed again and I will do it again. They tracked him down because of the CD)
US doesn`t have a statute of limitations for murder (but there was one before-it was 50 years).I actually don`t know about Korea, but I know for sure Japan had it at 25 years long until 28.04.2010-they don`t have have a statute of limitations for murder since 28.04.2010
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Date: 2010-05-14 11:19 pm (UTC)"I am emotionally biased. I get this way in fiction (see my love for Bidam - not a praiseworthy individual in many instances but I don't care :P)."
OK, I am not going to attack your logic from now on. I am guilty of loving Bidam,as well. ROFL
I am saying this for the 3rd time -You have to find time to watch No regret-you will love it (unless you are not a gay friendly person).
AND FINALLY
WSC is 16 episodes long and it is actually not a bad drama at all(if you skip Lee Ha Na`s parts and focus on the friendship theme and morals theme you`ll enjoy the drama even more-cuz that girl does not know how to act).Seriously KNG`s scenes in episode 16 are beyond awesome and you`ll get some of my points for sure (after watching that drama).
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Date: 2010-05-15 01:57 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-15 02:00 am (UTC)2. Your point on survivor guilt is truly excellent - he must feel such guilt (if he got his father out sooner (or if his dad didn't go buy cleats for him), if he wasn't hiding in that alley, etc). But the thing is, and something he cannot come to terms with, neither parent's death is truly anyone's fault - Mom could have been run over anywhere (it's as much IW's fault as anyone's) and his Dad didn't get shived - he died of a heart attack. Who knows if he would have gotten it anyway. I do think his revenge is what kept him going and I wonder what would happen to him once it's complete if he didn't find Hyeri's love - I think once the driving force of his life was gone, he'd fall apart into little pieces.
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Date: 2010-05-15 02:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-15 02:06 am (UTC)Hyeri is very mature and I like it from her standpoint, but yes, from IW's I believe he needs to pay.
Re: bribery and other crimes. Depends what the statute of limitations is on that. I can't believe murder has a shorter sol than these crimes and murder sol is about to expire, so I believe the other ones expired already.
Re: arranged marriage. Yes, why not. If I were in a culture where arranged marriage was common, I would have no problem provided I had a veto right.
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Date: 2010-05-15 06:43 am (UTC)Your thoughts on MH- OOOH, I totally understand what you mean. He was a changed man at the end, but at a time he married her, yeah RAGE- I had a WT* look on my face for the longest time!!!!- but raping and than marrying is generally not that uncommon btw (in a large part of Africa that happens every day and in large numbers - girls get AIDS because of rapes as well-OH,now I have flashbacks on a CNN interview with that whatshisname most popular African cardinal or something who believes there is no need for condoms in Africa even though he is aware of what is going on - OMG RAGE)
Any "scamming the country out of money" type of crime has a long SOL (embezzlement of funds doesn`t have a SOL for example, don`t remember how long is tax evasion, but its REALLY LONG).
Bribery does not(in some cases of MST`s bribery the SOL expired), but he bribed people, recently as well. LOL
I would not mind seeing IW begging on his knees for forgiveness or suffering some more, either.
Arranged marriage- I would politely say to my father to DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH if he ever proposed an arranged marriage(btw, I live in a country where such a thing is possible, but not common).
BUT
Ever since I was 7 my parents can`t even influence the type of socks I wear or the time I eat - the thought of of my father proposing arranged marriage is beyond laughable THANK GOD!!!
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Date: 2010-05-15 06:45 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-05-15 08:37 am (UTC)Yes this. I think he knows this too but he just doesn't want to face those facts so he's been clinging on to revenge on MST. And now it's pretty much a part of him.
I do think his revenge is what kept him going and I wonder what would happen to him once it's complete if he didn't find Hyeri's love - I think once the driving force of his life was gone, he'd fall apart into little pieces.
This is one of the reasons why I really love HR/IW. I could never condone this irl and would tell Hyeri to run for the hills but in fiction I totally love it.
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Date: 2010-05-15 10:02 pm (UTC)About the involvement in the murder case, my guess is that MST was WITH the murderer or saw what happened, and he can't(or didn't want to) say anything because it's related to his own boss or bosses he was working for (remember the "politician" and when he said to his wife how he was disgusted by what he had to do to get rich).
2. I don't think In Woo is beyong hope or so dysfunctionnal (though a "bit" traumatized...). Once MST is cleared (and the murderer judged) he'll be able to focus on Hye Ri. Also, it was so easy for him to call Ma Hye Ri's mum "Omoni".
He needs a loving wife and a mommy!
3. I looooved how Hye Ri is GROWING through all that!!! Did you notice the way she dresses herself now? So symbolic!
4. PP is turning out real great!
Emma
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Date: 2010-05-16 12:37 pm (UTC)2. But even if MST is not the murderer, his alibi falsification resulted in IW's Dad's flase conviction. Can IW get over it? I mean, can you imagine those family dinners, with MST and IW?
3. YES.
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Date: 2010-05-16 12:40 pm (UTC)Arranged marriage- I would politely say to my father to DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH if he ever proposed an arranged marriage(btw, I live in a country where such a thing is possible, but not common).
LOL. See, I don't hate the concept of one. If I were still single by 35 or similar, I could see going along with it just fine. But everyone is different.
Re: Myung Hun. I still remember all the MH fans who were mad at his wife for not worshipping at his feet. WTF.