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Game of Thrones has a sex scene that does not involve either whores or rape and consists of two participants who have feelings for each other? The scene is actually...gasp...romantic?! Is the world about to end?!



I am not following GoT season 2 (in large part because of my issues with endless rape and treatment of women in s1) but this scene made me melt about 100 different ways and the whole idea of Robb/Talisa would almost make me change my mind about following this, except for the fact that in Martin's world, any character I remotely like (and they are hard enough to find in his singularly repellent world) ends up dying gruesomely while the bad guys prosper.

Talisa - not evil/not whore/not victim = dead
Robb - has honor/not rapist/idealistic = like Ned = dead.

No thanks.

Have a shippy MV though:

dangermousie: (Default)
Game of Thrones has a sex scene that does not involve either whores or rape and consists of two participants who have feelings for each other? The scene is actually...gasp...romantic?! Is the world about to end?!



I am not following GoT season 2 (in large part because of my issues with endless rape and treatment of women in s1) but this scene made me melt about 100 different ways and the whole idea of Robb/Talisa would almost make me change my mind about following this, except for the fact that in Martin's world, any character I remotely like (and they are hard enough to find in his singularly repellent world) ends up dying gruesomely while the bad guys prosper.

Talisa - not evil/not whore/not victim = dead
Robb - has honor/not rapist/idealistic = like Ned = dead.

No thanks.

Have a shippy MV though:

dangermousie: (Default)
Game of Thrones has a sex scene that does not involve either whores or rape and consists of two participants who have feelings for each other? The scene is actually...gasp...romantic?! Is the world about to end?!



I am not following GoT season 2 (in large part because of my issues with endless rape and treatment of women in s1) but this scene made me melt about 100 different ways and the whole idea of Robb/Talisa would almost make me change my mind about following this, except for the fact that in Martin's world, any character I remotely like (and they are hard enough to find in his singularly repellent world) ends up dying gruesomely while the bad guys prosper.

Talisa - not evil/not whore/not victim = dead
Robb - has honor/not rapist/idealistic = like Ned = dead.

No thanks.

Have a shippy MV though:

dangermousie: (Default)
Apparently, Dany/Drogo is a huge ship in the Game of Thrones show fandom.

Huh? Huh???? On one level I can understand it - both Jason Momoa and Emilia Clarke are gorgeous, have chemistry and finding canon ships is kinda thin on the ground in GoT - so I can see latching onto a canon ship with chemistry and hot people. A lot of stuff is even something I'd normally go for (height difference, rough guy/sheltered girl, tragedy) BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT.

She was sold to him by her scummy brother and he raped her on their wedding night in a particularly brutal fashion (not that any rape is good, but that was particularly gross - just because she didn't shove him off didn't make it any less rape. WTF with the dragging a sheltered young woman to a freaking wilderness, lifting up her clothes and taking her from behind without any preliminaries or talking. Ugh. That was the most disturbing scene in the first ep). Ummmm. How on earth can one just overlook it and go into shipper territory? I am a lot more OK with questionable stuff in fictional romantic pairings than many of my flisties but this is a whole other level of insanity. WTF?????? I do not get. I thought that stuff went out with 1980s romance novels. Guess not.

To make clear, I have no problem with Dany developing feelings for the guy - she is stuck in that life and with the morals of that world, and might as well make the best of it. But we are not Dany. So WTF????

The shippers do make pretty vids.



Yeah, v.v. shippable. Except for the RAPE!!!!

Anyway, am about halfway through the first season. The show continues not to be my thing, to be honest - I don't care for any of the characters, nor do I find them particularly interesting. Plus, I read wiki spoilers and what a nasty nasty world did GRRM create. I've read things that were pretty grim (nonfiction about Rwandan genocide or Warsaw ghetto uprising, etc etc) so I am no wuss but to have that sort of unrelenting misery for everyone forever in a fictional world seems to make no sense especially since it's no as if GRRM has some deep message to convey (e.g. Zamyatin's "We" may be grim but it actually gives me things to think about). I am not sure I'll continue.
dangermousie: (Default)
Apparently, Dany/Drogo is a huge ship in the Game of Thrones show fandom.

Huh? Huh???? On one level I can understand it - both Jason Momoa and Emilia Clarke are gorgeous, have chemistry and finding canon ships is kinda thin on the ground in GoT - so I can see latching onto a canon ship with chemistry and hot people. A lot of stuff is even something I'd normally go for (height difference, rough guy/sheltered girl, tragedy) BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT.

She was sold to him by her scummy brother and he raped her on their wedding night in a particularly brutal fashion (not that any rape is good, but that was particularly gross - just because she didn't shove him off didn't make it any less rape. WTF with the dragging a sheltered young woman to a freaking wilderness, lifting up her clothes and taking her from behind without any preliminaries or talking. Ugh. That was the most disturbing scene in the first ep). Ummmm. How on earth can one just overlook it and go into shipper territory? I am a lot more OK with questionable stuff in fictional romantic pairings than many of my flisties but this is a whole other level of insanity. WTF?????? I do not get. I thought that stuff went out with 1980s romance novels. Guess not.

To make clear, I have no problem with Dany developing feelings for the guy - she is stuck in that life and with the morals of that world, and might as well make the best of it. But we are not Dany. So WTF????

The shippers do make pretty vids.



Yeah, v.v. shippable. Except for the RAPE!!!!

Anyway, am about halfway through the first season. The show continues not to be my thing, to be honest - I don't care for any of the characters, nor do I find them particularly interesting. Plus, I read wiki spoilers and what a nasty nasty world did GRRM create. I've read things that were pretty grim (nonfiction about Rwandan genocide or Warsaw ghetto uprising, etc etc) so I am no wuss but to have that sort of unrelenting misery for everyone forever in a fictional world seems to make no sense especially since it's no as if GRRM has some deep message to convey (e.g. Zamyatin's "We" may be grim but it actually gives me things to think about). I am not sure I'll continue.
dangermousie: (Default)
Apparently, Dany/Drogo is a huge ship in the Game of Thrones show fandom.

Huh? Huh???? On one level I can understand it - both Jason Momoa and Emilia Clarke are gorgeous, have chemistry and finding canon ships is kinda thin on the ground in GoT - so I can see latching onto a canon ship with chemistry and hot people. A lot of stuff is even something I'd normally go for (height difference, rough guy/sheltered girl, tragedy) BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT.

She was sold to him by her scummy brother and he raped her on their wedding night in a particularly brutal fashion (not that any rape is good, but that was particularly gross - just because she didn't shove him off didn't make it any less rape. WTF with the dragging a sheltered young woman to a freaking wilderness, lifting up her clothes and taking her from behind without any preliminaries or talking. Ugh. That was the most disturbing scene in the first ep). Ummmm. How on earth can one just overlook it and go into shipper territory? I am a lot more OK with questionable stuff in fictional romantic pairings than many of my flisties but this is a whole other level of insanity. WTF?????? I do not get. I thought that stuff went out with 1980s romance novels. Guess not.

To make clear, I have no problem with Dany developing feelings for the guy - she is stuck in that life and with the morals of that world, and might as well make the best of it. But we are not Dany. So WTF????

The shippers do make pretty vids.



Yeah, v.v. shippable. Except for the RAPE!!!!

Anyway, am about halfway through the first season. The show continues not to be my thing, to be honest - I don't care for any of the characters, nor do I find them particularly interesting. Plus, I read wiki spoilers and what a nasty nasty world did GRRM create. I've read things that were pretty grim (nonfiction about Rwandan genocide or Warsaw ghetto uprising, etc etc) so I am no wuss but to have that sort of unrelenting misery for everyone forever in a fictional world seems to make no sense especially since it's no as if GRRM has some deep message to convey (e.g. Zamyatin's "We" may be grim but it actually gives me things to think about). I am not sure I'll continue.
dangermousie: (Default)
Despite my lack of interest at the end of ep 1, I did try ep 2 and, to my shock, found I liked it much better, and not just because they cut down t&a (seriously, I don't get why medieval = doggie style, but I am sure HBO had a crack team of researchers on it).

Basically, the exposition intro babble is over, the story flows much better, and I am actually beginning to see some of these characters as people. The problem of there being too many concurrent storylines, thus spreading the narrative too thin as no one character gets sufficient screen-time to truly stand out, still remains (exascerbated by the fact that I just never like ensemble pieces, I prefer narratives with a very small group of protagonists, Deathstalker notwithstanding), but at least I am interested in the overarching story.

We'll see how it goes.

Oh, and [livejournal.com profile] queenofthorns, sorry, I know you adore Jaime, but I don't find him particularly interesting. Good-looking, yes. Interesting, not really. He's frighteningly self-absorbed about himself and Cersei, but that's about his most stand-out feature.
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Despite my lack of interest at the end of ep 1, I did try ep 2 and, to my shock, found I liked it much better, and not just because they cut down t&a (seriously, I don't get why medieval = doggie style, but I am sure HBO had a crack team of researchers on it).

Basically, the exposition intro babble is over, the story flows much better, and I am actually beginning to see some of these characters as people. The problem of there being too many concurrent storylines, thus spreading the narrative too thin as no one character gets sufficient screen-time to truly stand out, still remains (exascerbated by the fact that I just never like ensemble pieces, I prefer narratives with a very small group of protagonists, Deathstalker notwithstanding), but at least I am interested in the overarching story.

We'll see how it goes.

Oh, and [livejournal.com profile] queenofthorns, sorry, I know you adore Jaime, but I don't find him particularly interesting. Good-looking, yes. Interesting, not really. He's frighteningly self-absorbed about himself and Cersei, but that's about his most stand-out feature.
dangermousie: (Default)
Despite my lack of interest at the end of ep 1, I did try ep 2 and, to my shock, found I liked it much better, and not just because they cut down t&a (seriously, I don't get why medieval = doggie style, but I am sure HBO had a crack team of researchers on it).

Basically, the exposition intro babble is over, the story flows much better, and I am actually beginning to see some of these characters as people. The problem of there being too many concurrent storylines, thus spreading the narrative too thin as no one character gets sufficient screen-time to truly stand out, still remains (exascerbated by the fact that I just never like ensemble pieces, I prefer narratives with a very small group of protagonists, Deathstalker notwithstanding), but at least I am interested in the overarching story.

We'll see how it goes.

Oh, and [livejournal.com profile] queenofthorns, sorry, I know you adore Jaime, but I don't find him particularly interesting. Good-looking, yes. Interesting, not really. He's frighteningly self-absorbed about himself and Cersei, but that's about his most stand-out feature.
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I finally got around to check out the first episode. I liked some of it, had problems with other parts (more below). It's not instant love but not instant loathing so I will check out eps 2-4 and see if they click. So, likes and dislikes (keep in mind I have never read the books).

1. Like: it's gorgeously filmed but also conveys the sense of time and place well. It's fantasy that is very close to real world.

2. Like: all the actors are excellent.

3. Like: Despite lack of familiarity with the characters and the large cast, I had no trouble keeping them apart or following storylines.

4. Dislike: the treatment of women. Except for Catelyn, every other woman who had a speaking part and hit puberty was shown in context of sex (willing or un) with an 'important' male character. WTF! I don't mean the female character did a bunch of things including have sex, no, I mean they were pretty much defined by their sex scenes. Gender treatment fail!

5. Dislike: I am not emotionally invested at all in these people nor am I particularly interested in them. In fact, the only strong feeling I had the whole episode was at the end and it was "ugh, please someone, kill Jaime Lannister" but then, throwing a child out of a window is pretty much designed to get an emotional response from almost any body. Unlike most viewers on my flist, I don't have the book background which would mean that after reading 3+ books you know these characters well and develop feelings for them. I can only go on what is in the pilot and the characters are paper-thin - there is just not much there (or even much time devoted to them) to hook me. Of course, you don't always need ample screentime (I was hooked on Jeremy Irons' Alexander VI in The Borgias in about two minutes) but this instant connection is not here either.

Point five is my biggest problem and that is why I am giving the show more time. It may develop the characters to my satisfaction giving more time.

In conclusion, prettily shot this is:



(Yes, of course, this woman gets raped too. Why do you ask?)
dangermousie: (Chuno - sword by alexandral)


I finally got around to check out the first episode. I liked some of it, had problems with other parts (more below). It's not instant love but not instant loathing so I will check out eps 2-4 and see if they click. So, likes and dislikes (keep in mind I have never read the books).

1. Like: it's gorgeously filmed but also conveys the sense of time and place well. It's fantasy that is very close to real world.

2. Like: all the actors are excellent.

3. Like: Despite lack of familiarity with the characters and the large cast, I had no trouble keeping them apart or following storylines.

4. Dislike: the treatment of women. Except for Catelyn, every other woman who had a speaking part and hit puberty was shown in context of sex (willing or un) with an 'important' male character. WTF! I don't mean the female character did a bunch of things including have sex, no, I mean they were pretty much defined by their sex scenes. Gender treatment fail!

5. Dislike: I am not emotionally invested at all in these people nor am I particularly interested in them. In fact, the only strong feeling I had the whole episode was at the end and it was "ugh, please someone, kill Jaime Lannister" but then, throwing a child out of a window is pretty much designed to get an emotional response from almost any body. Unlike most viewers on my flist, I don't have the book background which would mean that after reading 3+ books you know these characters well and develop feelings for them. I can only go on what is in the pilot and the characters are paper-thin - there is just not much there (or even much time devoted to them) to hook me. Of course, you don't always need ample screentime (I was hooked on Jeremy Irons' Alexander VI in The Borgias in about two minutes) but this instant connection is not here either.

Point five is my biggest problem and that is why I am giving the show more time. It may develop the characters to my satisfaction giving more time.

In conclusion, prettily shot this is:



(Yes, of course, this woman gets raped too. Why do you ask?)
dangermousie: (Chuno - sword by alexandral)


I finally got around to check out the first episode. I liked some of it, had problems with other parts (more below). It's not instant love but not instant loathing so I will check out eps 2-4 and see if they click. So, likes and dislikes (keep in mind I have never read the books).

1. Like: it's gorgeously filmed but also conveys the sense of time and place well. It's fantasy that is very close to real world.

2. Like: all the actors are excellent.

3. Like: Despite lack of familiarity with the characters and the large cast, I had no trouble keeping them apart or following storylines.

4. Dislike: the treatment of women. Except for Catelyn, every other woman who had a speaking part and hit puberty was shown in context of sex (willing or un) with an 'important' male character. WTF! I don't mean the female character did a bunch of things including have sex, no, I mean they were pretty much defined by their sex scenes. Gender treatment fail!

5. Dislike: I am not emotionally invested at all in these people nor am I particularly interested in them. In fact, the only strong feeling I had the whole episode was at the end and it was "ugh, please someone, kill Jaime Lannister" but then, throwing a child out of a window is pretty much designed to get an emotional response from almost any body. Unlike most viewers on my flist, I don't have the book background which would mean that after reading 3+ books you know these characters well and develop feelings for them. I can only go on what is in the pilot and the characters are paper-thin - there is just not much there (or even much time devoted to them) to hook me. Of course, you don't always need ample screentime (I was hooked on Jeremy Irons' Alexander VI in The Borgias in about two minutes) but this instant connection is not here either.

Point five is my biggest problem and that is why I am giving the show more time. It may develop the characters to my satisfaction giving more time.

In conclusion, prettily shot this is:



(Yes, of course, this woman gets raped too. Why do you ask?)
dangermousie: (Iljimae 1 by alexandral)
I haven't read the books (tbh, they are not really my thing), but [livejournal.com profile] queenofthorns' eloquent enthusiasm got me very excited for the show. (Sean Bean doesn't hurt either) Can't wait.

Have a trailer:

dangermousie: (Iljimae 1 by alexandral)
I haven't read the books (tbh, they are not really my thing), but [livejournal.com profile] queenofthorns' eloquent enthusiasm got me very excited for the show. (Sean Bean doesn't hurt either) Can't wait.

Have a trailer:

dangermousie: (Iljimae 1 by alexandral)
I haven't read the books (tbh, they are not really my thing), but [livejournal.com profile] queenofthorns' eloquent enthusiasm got me very excited for the show. (Sean Bean doesn't hurt either) Can't wait.

Have a trailer:

dangermousie: (Chuno - sword by alexandral)
See this trailer for the upcoming HBO show based on Game of Thrones, G.R.R. Martin's fantasy epic set in a quasi-Medieval world:



Shivers.

Shivers.

And I speak as someone who's never read a word of the novels.

Based purely on the trailer (a) this looks so much my thing - it makes me think of Icelandic sagas I used to love (someone adapt Laxdaela Saga into a show already) (b) I am going to love Sean Bean's character so very much. I always go for the honorable ones (sorry, [livejournal.com profile] queenofthorns, I know you are a huge Jaime fan but Ned Stark seems much more my type).
dangermousie: (Chuno - sword by alexandral)
See this trailer for the upcoming HBO show based on Game of Thrones, G.R.R. Martin's fantasy epic set in a quasi-Medieval world:



Shivers.

Shivers.

And I speak as someone who's never read a word of the novels.

Based purely on the trailer (a) this looks so much my thing - it makes me think of Icelandic sagas I used to love (someone adapt Laxdaela Saga into a show already) (b) I am going to love Sean Bean's character so very much. I always go for the honorable ones (sorry, [livejournal.com profile] queenofthorns, I know you are a huge Jaime fan but Ned Stark seems much more my type).
dangermousie: (Chuno - sword by alexandral)
See this trailer for the upcoming HBO show based on Game of Thrones, G.R.R. Martin's fantasy epic set in a quasi-Medieval world:



Shivers.

Shivers.

And I speak as someone who's never read a word of the novels.

Based purely on the trailer (a) this looks so much my thing - it makes me think of Icelandic sagas I used to love (someone adapt Laxdaela Saga into a show already) (b) I am going to love Sean Bean's character so very much. I always go for the honorable ones (sorry, [livejournal.com profile] queenofthorns, I know you are a huge Jaime fan but Ned Stark seems much more my type).

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