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You know, [livejournal.com profile] ambergold was so right - BOF is like a bad relationship - you know the guy is no good for you but you keep coming back. I am so irritated with the drama by now, but I still check both the comms and soompi for spoilers, previews etc. And will be watching ep 20 as soon as it's on. Meanwhile, Preview for Boys Over Flowers ep 21:



Much as it's awesome to see Jun Pyo kneel to and beg Jaekyung to let him go, I refer to my previous Man Up post. You know, a wedding involves two people, right? Why beg the girl to call it off when you can freaking call it off yourself! Once again, borrowing from Hanadan2 with odd modifications does not work - in Hanadan2 it made sense for Domyouji to kneel to Rui and ask him to let go of courting Makino because Domyouji has no control whatsoever over what Rui does - he cannot do something unilaterally to stop Rui - he has to ask. Not to mention, Rui is his best friend and he wants to keep the friendship intact, and to go after Makino (who has indicated she is quite willing to be with Domyouji) without clearing it with Rui first, would definitely wreck the friendship. But the relationship with Jaekyung is different, uniquely so - it's a wedding and he has all the power in the world to end it himself. Neither Domoyuji in the manga or jdrama nor Dao Ming Si in the Taiwanese version had any hesitation in calling it off when they felt they couldn't deny their love for Makino (and it didn't go anywhere near close enough to the altar, either). So, MAN UP, Goo Jun Pyo! Seriously, man up.

Honestly, the only time I've seen something close to this was in Save the Last Dance kdrama, but it made sense there - the hero's company was going to be wrecked without the marriage (just as here), but the other girl was a childhood long-term friend, one of his best friends, who tried to kill herself because he wouldn't marry her, and the reason he begged her was not because he was afraid of consequences to himself/company but because what he really was begging was for her not to kill herself, because he could not obtain his happiness at the cost of her life. And even then, he wouldn't marry her until his OTP ditched him in a brutal, brutal fashion to save him. Ahem. Sorry for the sidetrack, I love StLD to bits.

Jun Pyo, go rent Return of the Condor Heroes and take notes - the dude in that one was willing to die a hideous slow agonizing death rather than betray his OTP by marrying someone else. Take notes until it sinks in. Kthanks, bye.

Side note: I can't even be bothered to be irritated that they turned the awesome Shigeru of the manga/twdrama and less awesome but ultimately not too bad Shigeru of the jdrama into the typically evil kdrama other woman - she knows her fiance loves someone else, yet she is happily planning her wedding asap and asking his OTP to be her bridesmaid on purpose, and when he begs her to call the wedding off, telling her he only loves Jandi and will only love Jandi, she is all "I know, it makes me want to marry you all the more". Heh. I've exhausted my ire on all the other character modifications and have none left for this :)

Date: 2009-03-16 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ambergold.livejournal.com
...and everyone over at [livejournal.com profile] hydkorea is so HAPPY that Junpyo is finally manning up and squeeing over what lengths he'll go to to get Jandi back.

...you know, I really think by this point, comparatively speaking, that Junpyo is one of the most passive drama heroes(after the first half) that I've ever seen - really, he's quite unparalleled. Good job, writer. At least you succeeded at something.

I think I'm just gonna pretend that the drama's real ending was oh, like 5 episodes back when Jandi and Ji-Hoo were in Macau/travelling together. *points to icon*

Date: 2009-03-16 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
over what lengths he'll go to to get Jandi back.


Ahahahahahaaaaaaaa!

Seriously - I agree with you, JP is probably the most passive drama hero I have ever seen, as well. Which is unappealing to start with, to me, but considering that he is supposed to be Domyouji, whose main characteristic, in addition to Makino monomania, is his being strong-willed and never giving up or letting others control him?

And I bet the way he'll get out of the wedding will be JaeKyung calling it off, not anything he'd do proactively in front of Mama - like saying he won't marry or leaving the church, or whatever. I cannot think of such unparalleled passivity from any other drama hero and I am trying! Once again, the writer takes from hanadan2 when Shigeru calls the engagement off, but the modifications make it wrong when it was right in Hanadan2 - in Hanadan2 it was made abundantly clear that Domyouji was going to walk into that room and call it off - Shigeru's gesture was nice because it saved some trouble for him, but it wasn't 'necessary' to rescue him - he was capable of taking care of it himself, thank you very much. It turned Shigeru into a nicer person but it didn't emasculate Domyouji in the process. Not to mention Domyouji's character was never passive to start with. Compare to Jun Pyo - has he ever stood up with Jandi against Mama? Never. He caves like a cake every time Mama looks in his direction. Teary-eyed 'don't hurt Jandi' pleadings to Mama do not count as defiance, kiddo!

Date: 2009-03-16 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I am confused here- wasn't the fiancee the one who break off the engagement in Hanadan2 as well and Domyiji was complaining but doing nothing?

I didn't go far in "Save the Last Dance", I didn't like herouine that much, and the guy - after he did what he did to her at the beginning, I didn't want to see more of him.

Date: 2009-03-16 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ambergold.livejournal.com
The fiancee did break it off but only because Domyiji had talked to her previously and made it clear that he was going to. I think how it went was they were all at the table about to sign the business contract and Domyoji opened his mouth to break the engagement and then Shigeru spoke up and said she didn't want the engagement, as a gesture of generosity hoping that even with the engagement called off(which it was going to be either way by that point) that her parents wouldn't break off the business deal so the Domyoji corporation could still survive.

Date: 2009-03-16 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
As I replied to [livejournal.com profile] ambergold upthread re: hanadan2:

Once again, the writer takes from hanadan2 when Shigeru calls the engagement off, but the modifications make it wrong when it was right in Hanadan2 - in Hanadan2 it was made abundantly clear that Domyouji was going to walk into that room and call it off - Shigeru's gesture was nice because it saved some trouble for him, but it wasn't 'necessary' to rescue him - he was capable of taking care of it himself, thank you very much. It turned Shigeru into a nicer person but it didn't emasculate Domyouji in the process.

What did the Save the Last Dance guy do? He didn't do anything as far as I remember - he met her when he had amnesia and basically followed her home like a puppy when she said OK. I can't think of anything bad he did at all. *is majorly puzzled*

Date: 2009-03-16 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
it was right in Hanadan2 - in Hanadan2 it was made abundantly clear that Domyouji was going to walk into that room and call it off

Hmm, it wasn't clear to me, I always thought that he would shout and scream "I am not gonna do it!", then his mother will interfere and make him go on. I haven't read the manga, you see.

Re: Save the last dance. This is my fault - I got it totally confused with "Smile again".

Date: 2009-03-16 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
LOL - yeah, the Smile Again guy was no prince. I like that drama though, mainly because when they met years later the heroine made him prove he's changed and also that he loved her - she had a very healthy and unkdrama attitude about relationships. Plus, we were supposed to think him a jerk and what bugs me about drama characters is not when they are nice or not, but when we are supposed to think they are nice when they aren't and vice versa.

then his mother will interfere and make him go on

I never thought that - part of it is the manga thing (Matsujun portrayed him pretty close to how he was in the manga, as opposed to Jun Pyo who, like him or not, is not very close to the manga character at all) but another is, except for the orchestrated suicide guilt trip, she never was able to control or manipulate him much in Hanadan 1/2 and his character always came across as once he made up his mind, that was it. While JP comes across as very much a kdrama hero in the 'filial piety and responsibility' sense.

You know, I think I might have liked BOF a lot better as a drama (though I would still have problems with it, they would not be anywhere near as severe) if I came to it as a blank slate. I find Jun Pyo in the second half rather too passive for my liking and Jandi too mopey, but I would probably not be experiencing such fangirl rage if I didn't know the originals they were based on and going on the assumption that they are Domyouji and Makino, if it makes sense. They are flawed but OK as drama leads, but as incarnations of D & M they are so horrendously off the mark and it's the latter that drives me nuts!
Edited Date: 2009-03-16 08:40 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-03-16 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Hanadan 1/2 and his character always came across as once he made up his mind, that was it.

He came across differently to me, but it might be because I was in love with Rui so much.

You know, I think I might have liked BOF a lot better as a drama (though I would still have problems with it, they would not be anywhere near as severe) if I came to it as a blank slate.

This is what I am trying to say all along - I totally get "This is so different from the original. DO NOT WANT!" when it concerns things I REALLY love. I am the same with numerous things, like the latest "Pride and prejudice" adaptation. I am a bit apprehensive with "Kings" for the same reason - this is the material I know so well , I feel that if they did too many changes I might hate it. I am never going to watch Japanese "Mawang".

I am not the same with "Hanadan", I never was obsessed with it, I like "Meteor Garden" and JHYD, but not with OMPH! love. I have never read the manga. I started watching "Boys Over Flowers", I saw Lee Min Ho who is so hot and can act so well so I like the drama too, but again - not obsessively.

They are flawed but OK as drama leads

I quite like Jun Pyo in his present flawed state. I quite like that they turned the evilness of the evil mother up a notch and it makes sense to me that Jun Pyo doing everything because he wants to protect Jan Di from his mother. And the filial part makes sense too.

Date: 2009-03-16 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] animeshon.livejournal.com
Grrrr I'm going to watch this to the end, but I don't think I'm going to like it :(

Date: 2009-03-16 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Icon!

I am getting more and more irritated with this drama.

Date: 2009-03-16 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] animeshon.livejournal.com
lol - I haven't made any more icons. But I felt that that one summed up my feelings.

Date: 2009-03-16 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ambergold.livejournal.com
what I would want to do is get a picture of the writer and paste her face over with "idiot queen of the world". or possibly "I emasculated Junpyo".

Date: 2009-03-16 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] animeshon.livejournal.com
LOL - definitely. Well if I can find a picture of the writer, I'll see what i can do :D

Date: 2009-03-16 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boycottbananas.livejournal.com
Sorry for the sidetrack, I love StLD to bits.

Pft, from what I've seen, anything > BOF. XD :horrible:

I always think of how Shigeru was so annoying and then you just feel so sorry for her. DX I hope she and Fujiki Naohito's character had a nice life~ Heheh. ;D

Date: 2009-03-16 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Pft, from what I've seen, anything > BOF. XD :horrible:


Basically.

Shigeru is definitely not someone who lost if she ended up with Fujiki Naohito. mmmmmm. /Fujiki Naohito fangirl.

Date: 2009-03-16 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boycottbananas.livejournal.com
Nope, not at all. She's so lucky~ /also a Fujiki Naohito fangirl

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