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I am so irritated with Korean version of Hana Yori Dango at the moment.

It's a living proof of a mess you get when you put together:

a. excellent cast
b. huge budget
c. a messy, nonsensical, illogical script.

Seriously, wtf, Korea? K-Hanadan was at its best in the beginning, when it followed the manga closely. The more and more it departed from it, the less logical sense it made and the more I had to handwave things. At this point, not only is it nowhere near dethroning Meteor Garden or the jdrama from their 'favorite adaptations' places, it's making less sense than an average well-written kdrama.

You do not have to slavishly follow the manga. But then you have to make sure you have a good script which makes its own internal coherent sense - with character progressions, logical segways, developments that make sense. Oh, and if you at least try to be true to the spirit of the original story, that also helps. Look at the Japanese Hanadan - it's the perfect example. It didn't choose to go the literally faithful adaptation road of the awesome Meteor Garden, but it remained true to the spirit of the story and the characters - Matsujun's Domyouji and Mao's Makino are, in essense, very much like their manga counterparts. Jandi and Jun Pyo are miles away. Not only that, but even if they reorganized the events significantly, it made both character progression sense, a la the manga, and also, even more importantly, internal coherent sense. When I watched e.g. Hanadan2, I never either wondered WTF they were doing what they were doing, or switched ships because the canon ship made no sense.

And that's another complaint: the characters. Manga Makino is one of the most awesome heroines out there: strong, unyielding, unmopey, fiercely energetic, impossible to bully. Inoue Mao in the jdrama portrays it perfectly. And Barbie Hsu in the twdrama kicks it up a notch even more. Those are some fearsome ladies. And then we have Jandi. Whose toughness in the earlier eps has gone away entirely - who cannot say boo to the mean girls, let alone Darth Mama, who needs constant ridiculous rescuing (from a pool two feet deep!), who is mopey, weepy, and listless. She is lame and weak compared even to an good kdrama heroine (Chunhyang or Yu Rin or Ma Ja would wipe the floor with her in two seconds), not to mention the original source. Heck, even an average kdrama heroine (heroine of Who Are You or Which Star Are You From), not one with unusual amounts of spunk, could take her.

Also, Jun Pyo. We got rid of most of Domyouji's distinctive traits - the hugely troubling and uncontrolled violence. The dimness. Total unwaivering refusal to let go of Makino (in Hanadan2 I bought it barely, because it was brief, super-hard, and rather justified). He's become yet another tall, hot, and troubled kdrama hero. And the worst part? Unlike in twdrama and jdrama, he's had no learning curve about becoming human, he didn't have to work hard and hard and harder to get the girl to change her opinion - the bullying doesn't seem to matter, Jandi falls into his lap fairly quick.

Etcetcetc. I could rant for hours.

But one last comment - it took my reading people's posts to realize that the fiancee in a modest swimsuit hugging Jun Pyo from the back in the pool is the kdrama's equivalent of the seduction scene in the manga. WTF? I don't expect them to follow the manga and the twdrama and show her straddling him half-naked on the bed, but even the jdrama, much much more prudish though it was, had her on top of him in a bed. This pool thing is a seduction scene? Ahahahahahaaaa. LOL. Yeah.

Korea, you can adopt manga excellently well and make a great teen drama - see Goong! So WTF?

Date: 2009-03-04 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uisceros.livejournal.com
I totally get where you're coming from. BBF is very little like the manga, Jan Di is not really Tsukushi, Jun Pyo is not really Domyoji. (On the other hand, Ji Hoo is pretty much Rui)

That being said, it doesn't bother me. I really like BBF as an entity seperate from the HYD franchise. And I actually like the progression of Jan Di's character. I always had a hard time with the believability of Tsukushi's character. I like how Jan Di is getting slowly beat down from everything, it makes her more believable to me.

Maybe it's because I watched the anime first. The anime is not really THAT close to the manga, so from the get go I had a skewed perception.

Date: 2009-03-04 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I watched the anime first too, and it was pretty close to the manga until the end where they had to make their own. IMO. And Tsukushi was a bulldozer in it.

I can see her getting beat down by overwork, but she has turned into someone so listless and mopey that it's more like she is channeling a stereotypical Choi Ji Woo role! Now, I love Choi Ji Woo, but that is about the polar opposite from what Jandi should be - CJW's characters are pinnacles of self-sacrificing, suffering womanhood but even they have a quiet inner strength I am not seeing here - Jandi is just beat down.

Oh well. I got To Get Her as my new shiny :)

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Date: 2009-03-04 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allbloomedout.livejournal.com
*HIGH FIVE* I really thought I was alone for just not feeling it for this drama. It was enjoyable though until episode 10? I still continue to watch now but the more I watch the more I seem to miss j-drama version. I totally agree with you! I find myself having to say WTF all the time and telling myself to think less so i won't get so pissed off that it doesn't make sense. :/

Date: 2009-03-04 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Yeah, it was enjoyable at first but the more they deviated and did weird things, the more wtf and wtf it became and now I am just rolling my eyes. Such a waste - they had an excellent cast. Oh well, we had two adapatations I adored (MG and HYD), it's only fair I get to strike out once.

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Date: 2009-03-04 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marspeach.livejournal.com
I understand all your complaints (except I'm not crazy about Goong- way too draggy and spent too much time with boring scenes of people talking about the same thing over and over) but I'm just trying to ignore it now and make the best of it.

Apparently they are toning things down now (such as the Jae Kyung "seduction" scene) because of complaints from people that the show is too "wild" or something. WTF? What is there to even tone down? Booo, is all I say.

Date: 2009-03-04 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marspeach.livejournal.com
One more thing I forgot to say! I wasn't that big a fan of Hana Yori Dango 2 either. It was one of the first dramas that I watched as it aired (perhaps THE first one, minus PGSM...I think) and while it was cracky, it was extremely frustrating. Every episode went back and forth of one of the couple wanting to get back together and the other one pulling away. But I still was able to enjoy it, like I can with the Korean version. Maybe because I wasn't a fan of the anime and manga? I read the first volume of the manga back when Viz released it and then saw a couple episodes of the anime but they bored me to tears and the animation was horrible. I think it was just because that was the time I was just becoming bored of anime and manga in general. That's why I moved on to live action entertainment!

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Date: 2009-03-04 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bzoppa.livejournal.com
Apparently they are toning things down now (such as the Jae Kyung "seduction" scene) because of complaints from people that the show is too "wild" or something.

I saw some people post about that, but wtf was up with the DRINKING in this episode? Jun Pyo had wine at dinners in Macau, but Yi Jung totally got wasted on that scotch, and Jun Pyo poured himself another glass of wine at the foursome dinner! When I first started and noted the Gossip Girl-Boys over Flowers-Meteor Garden elements, BoF wound up the most innocent because there wasn't drinking.

If they're trying to tone it down, they seem to have made it up in a different direction!

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Date: 2009-03-04 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sodahands.livejournal.com
I have pretty much given up on seeing it as an adaptation of the manga. But OMFG the writing and the logicfail! Seriously, wtf is up with that?! It's like they are not even trying anymore now that they've got the huge ratings and the mania.

I hate that the Rui/Makino ship is more developed than the actual OTP which is supposed to be the core of the show. I hate that Jandi needs to be constantly rescued by the two rich guys all the freakin' time (even though I really like Jandi but um shoulder cramp or whatever you can still float or use your legs!). Ugh the sloppiness and inconsistencies are just so glaring now.

I really like this show but it's starting to annoy me. A lot.

Date: 2009-03-04 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
like they are not even trying anymore now that they've got the huge ratings and the mania.


Basically.

I hate that the Rui/Makino ship is more developed than the actual OTP which is supposed to be the core of the show.

Oh yes. For someone like me, who is not only a rabid D/M shipper, but also a canon whore, to become so mad about JH/Jandi ship means the writers are really doing something wrong! If I were making a vid, I'd find it easier to have material for a JH/Jandi vid - not to mention they show them having more fun and more compatibility. WTF? I am shipping them and loving it but it's so not Hanadan. The whole point of Hanadan is D/M. Seriously. Such fail.

Date: 2009-03-04 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cranberrysheep.livejournal.com
I haven't even watched the last three or so episodes. The entire show has kind of lost its luster for me. I was crazy for it in the beginning but it just hasn't packed the same punch for me. I'm blaming Jandi and Jun Pyo, because everyone else has been pretty fantastic (JI HOO!).

Instead I've been spending my time barrelling through Hong Gil Dong. Love it so much!

Date: 2009-03-04 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Exactly. Oh, Ji Hoo!!!

I am so glad you are loving HGD! It was my favorite drama last year - so perfect. Funny, and heart-breaking and with a political message, too. Plus, Kang Ji Hwan...*swoon* Have you seen Capital Scandal?

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Date: 2009-03-04 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] syrenstar.livejournal.com
ITA BOF is going down as my least favourite HYD adaption and that annoys me because the manga is a kdrama waiting to be produced and they're messing it up. If it either followed the manga or did its own thing than it would have better internal logic but when they try to combine like in ep15 it fails spectacularly and I'm left scratching my head wondering what's going on. I shouldn't have to cite plot convenience for every weird character heel turn.

If I didn't know the story, and a Kdramas love for the love triangle, I'd be convinced JH/JD were end game and Jun Pyo was just this bad relationship/journey Jan Di had to go through in order to realise her true love was by her side all along and that's sad.

Speaking honestly I'm only still addicted because we were promised a resolution to the Soujiro/Yuki relationship. I'm going to hate it when the Sara storyline is over and they fade into the background again and I'm left with J squared to deal with.

Date: 2009-03-04 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Perfect icon! The story doesn't make any sense in the character development - take a look at the fake date! WTF! It made sense where it was in the manga/MG but here it seems so ridiculously out of place by disbelief strains to breaking point.

Re: triangle. So agreed. If I was watching it without knowing the story, I'd be sure JH/Jandi were the endgame, the way they are showing them (and in rl, I'd be doing everything to push her with JH).

Jsquared make me enraged. Agreed, at this point I am in it for the pretty and the YJ/GE story.

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Date: 2009-03-04 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fivil.livejournal.com
It is puzzling. I dropped out before it began sucking but now I'm rather glad I did. Sigh. Meh. It had such a strong beginning! Oh well. :/

I think even Goong had its flaws but at least it kept most people watching 'til the very end (and had good stuff throughout its run).

I should check out To Get Her, though. :) It's on Viikii, right?
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Date: 2009-03-04 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filmi-girl.livejournal.com
YES! Start watching! The first three episodes are subbed on Viikii! Jiro Wang has always been one of my favorite actors! :D

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Date: 2009-03-04 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filmi-girl.livejournal.com
I'm not sorry I stopped watching, after reading your rant! What's the point of a character like Domyouji if he doesn't grow from out-of-control to human? *blah*

At least we have ToGetHer to sqee about!

Date: 2009-03-04 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
What's the point of a character like Domyouji if he doesn't grow from out-of-control to human? *blah

Exactly! One of my favorite points of Hanadan (and jdrama and MG) is that actions have consequences! And that D needs to grow as a person and become a human being before Makino even deigns to look in his direction. But there is nothing like it in BOF - the fact that he was an arrogant, selfish bully is completely ignored. Even the Junpei and Sakurako incidents - where his past actions come back to haunt him and he learns something from them, are not done that way at all in this drama.

Not to mention he doesn't have to change at all - Jandi hooks up with him fairly quickly. In the manga/jdrama/MG, he has a huge learning curve because he loves someone for the first time, someone who won't give in - by the end he is still arrogant and might be solipcistic, but he's learned to put another person above himself and be a human being with both her and other people (e.g. Yuki) as a result of this. That's my favorite thing about Hanadan, not the shiny cars and the bling.

I know you are not keen on Goong, but that is something I thought that drama did well - took Shin and both showed why he is such a cold bastard and also gradually changed him into a human being by allowing him to open himself. Which is something they should have done with Domyouji here, because to me Shin is Domyouji's introvert mirror. Anyway, the point is kdramas can do that sort of story arc, so why not here? Grrrrr.

Date: 2009-03-04 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pho50.livejournal.com
AMEN to EVERYTHING you wrote!

Date: 2009-03-04 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Seriously - I am so disappointed (but my disappointment is cushioned by the wonderfulness of To Get Her).

They had such a perfect set-up: a tried and true story, good budget, a wonderful cast (arguably the best F4 out there) but it all got wrecked by a scriptwriter who is insane.

It makes me want to weep with frustration. And it reminds me of East of Eden - another popular drama with a great cast and an amazing set-up wrecked by a crazed scriptwriter.

Date: 2009-03-04 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I am so glad I am not the only one.

I don't demand every drama I watch to be a masterpiece (come on, I enjoyed the fluffiness of Taiwanese Hana Kimi a ton!) but it has to make some coherent sense.

Date: 2009-03-04 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kitkat-cat.livejournal.com
I've taken to watching the episodes raw just so i don't have to suffer plot and character inconsistencies being rubbed into my face.

I've also started to tell myself, 'ok kitkatkitty, don't get cross, just remember to park your sense of disbelief and general intelligence at the door before you start watching the eps.

And finally, I have recently started to think of BBF as just another generic kdrama, rather than a HYD adaptation. it causes me far less grief. in some ways, i can deal with what they've done with Jun Pyo, but the writers have obviously read another version of HYD as most people have, cos JanDi, as Makino, makes no sense at all. The way she mopes and mopes and mopes some more is just not what i was expecting. And argh, the constant tears! I think japanese Makino only cried once, maybe twice.

so yeah, thinking of BBF as just another generic kdrama and not an HYD adaptation is saving my sanity...as is scheming on how to convince mummy to buy me YiSan.... :)

Date: 2009-03-04 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
It's just - I adore the Hanadan story so, and it started so right and now...grrrrrr. What is wrong with them?

Even thinking of it as a generic drama, it's full of so many inconsistencies and logical impossibilities. I don't mind far-fetched events or whatever as long as they make sense internally - within the world of the drama, character-wise. But this doesn't any more. It's just a string of scenes which have no logical connection to anything any more. Oh well. At least it introduced me to the charms of Lee Min Ho and Kim Hyun Joong.

Date: 2009-03-04 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkeyedwolf.livejournal.com
I agree with this post. ): I'm still slugging through just so I can finish, but for me BOF stopped at the timeskip.

Date: 2009-03-04 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Even before timeskip it went funny - in retrospect ep 11 wasn't an abberation but a sign of things to come. Oh well - have you been continuing watching Meteor Garden, btw? Because unlike poor Jandi, snadbagged by the writers, Shan Cai continues in awesomeness more and more as she goes on.

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Date: 2009-03-04 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] timescout.livejournal.com
Yeah, it has rather gone off tangent now. I don't have any sort of emotional attachement to either the J-version nor the manga so I don't have any complaints in that respect. But the quality of the writing does irk. The scripts seem to be all over the place. Do they even have a clue where the story is really heading?

Oh well, I'm still being entertained enough to finish it. I'm generally very easy to please and most things that seem to irritate others don't bother me much. But then, there are very few shows I really, really love.

Date: 2009-03-04 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I don't expect this to have the brilliance of either Mawang or Legend (two kdramas that are, to me, the hallmark of excellence) or even Goong (if we are comparing teen romance manga drama) but it has to make some sort of consistent sense and lately it's gotten totally derailed. Much as I might enjoy e.g. Ji Hoo, the story shouldn't be about the spunky now heartbroken girl who is trying to get over her tall, dark, and hot bf who ditched her cruelly for good reasons, and her best male friend who helps her to get through it and ends with her when she realizes she loves him. Unless they are adopting Peach Girl. In which case I am all for it, but this isn't Peach Girl - this is Hanadan!

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Date: 2009-03-04 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 4th-avenue-cafe.livejournal.com
The other day I was telling my friend how I have an odd love/hate relationship with this drama right now, and your rant pretty much pinpoint what I'm not liking in every episode.

As a Ji Hoo/Jandi shipper I really do flail over the moments in the last few episodes, and I love the fact that they explored Yi Jung and Ji Hoo's background, but what's bothering me was that when I was watching Hanadan2, even though I shipped Rui/Makino, I still cheered for Makino/Domiyouji because I know they fit each other really well. But the kdrama isn't really showing me this.

It's kind of sad, because if it was a drama that's...Peach Girl, like you said, it would have worked okay, but even as a non-canon sideline shipper I still felt the heart of the Makino/Domiyouji relationship in Hanadan2, and I'm not feeling that at all.

I am still excited for every week, but I admit, a lot of it is due to the side characters.

Date: 2009-03-05 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
even though I shipped Rui/Makino, I still cheered for Makino/Domiyouji because I know they fit each other really well. But the kdrama isn't really showing me this.


Exactly. I don't know what the screenwriter is thinking, bit it's not working.

Date: 2009-03-04 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boycottbananas.livejournal.com
I have been waiting for the awesome-ness of BOF to fall. :cackles evilly: But I don't doubt that it can't pick itself up.

It'll always be HYD > BOF for me.

Date: 2009-03-05 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
It'll always be HYD > BOF for me.

Unfortunately, now me too.

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Date: 2009-03-04 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] salimbol.livejournal.com
This... is exactly why the show is making me back away from it, slowly but surely (I'm almost having to force myself to watch some of the more recent stuff). Not a reaction I should be having to something that's supposed to be based on HYD!

Date: 2009-03-05 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Seriously. When it started I thought this might be my favorite adaptation but now it's definitely least fave by a mile.

Date: 2009-03-05 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bae-mac.livejournal.com
But one last comment - it took my reading people's posts to realize that the fiancee in a modest swimsuit hugging Jun Pyo from the back in the pool is the kdrama's equivalent of the seduction scene in the manga. WTF? I don't expect them to follow the manga and the twdrama and show her straddling him half-naked on the bed, but even the jdrama, much much more prudish though it was, had her on top of him in a bed. This pool thing is a seduction scene? Ahahahahahaaaa. LOL. Yeah.


I know,right? I mean not only is she wearing a horrible-for-teens-only swimsuit, but the way she just hugged JP from the back. Dude...if that was for real, then the guy would have probably freaked out instead of getting aroused! LMAO!

hahahaha!

And that's another complaint: the characters. Manga Makino is one of the most awesome heroines out there: strong, unyielding, unmopey, fiercely energetic, impossible to bully.</>

I sort of agreed with you here although I love Jan Di and how she is right now. What I don't get though is how they are portraying the character of Ji Hoo and his relationship with Jan Di. It's just too much.





Date: 2009-03-05 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
if that was for real, then the guy would have probably freaked out instead of getting aroused! LMAO!


So true!

And yup, on JH/Jandi. The way they are doing them it's as if they are the otp of the show - which I would be fine with if it was the case, but it isn't so whaaaaa?

Date: 2009-03-05 07:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sodahands.livejournal.com
Lol okay so I think your rant/entry got turned into a Korean article or something because I just found an article that basically says the exact same things you did xD

Date: 2009-03-05 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Bwahahaha - so glad am not the only one.

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