dangermousie: (Chuno - kiss by alexandral)
So, despite my better judgment, I spoiled myself for the ending of Tree. Aaaaand )
dangermousie: (Chuno - kiss by alexandral)
So, despite my better judgment, I spoiled myself for the ending of Tree. Aaaaand )
dangermousie: (Chuno - kiss by alexandral)
So, despite my better judgment, I spoiled myself for the ending of Tree. Aaaaand )
dangermousie: (HGD cheek by miss-dian)


If you read last night's post, it was clear I had some major problems with how a resolution of one of the central conflicts was handled. But having gotten more sleep than I had yesterday and having time to think and rewatch certain scenes, I've done a 180 and I believe I am pretty happy with it now.

Thoughts on why that is so, plus some caps of the ep )
dangermousie: (HGD cheek by miss-dian)


If you read last night's post, it was clear I had some major problems with how a resolution of one of the central conflicts was handled. But having gotten more sleep than I had yesterday and having time to think and rewatch certain scenes, I've done a 180 and I believe I am pretty happy with it now.

Thoughts on why that is so, plus some caps of the ep )
dangermousie: (HGD cheek by miss-dian)


If you read last night's post, it was clear I had some major problems with how a resolution of one of the central conflicts was handled. But having gotten more sleep than I had yesterday and having time to think and rewatch certain scenes, I've done a 180 and I believe I am pretty happy with it now.

Thoughts on why that is so, plus some caps of the ep )

Ep 15

Dec. 21st, 2011 12:03 am
dangermousie: (Default)
was sort of a mixed bag for me - well-acted and written as always, and while I do not like Sejong, because I think he's a ruthless, scary borderline psychopath (who, luckily, is interested in benevolent goals and not offing people by the score), he is a great character. But (and I realize it's my personal preferences talking), I am not happy with Chae Yoon becoming Sejong's man. It feels too sudden, alphabet or no alphabet - after all, his issue about powerlessness remains. I can see him letting of of vengeance, but to serve Sejong seems - I am not buying it as I should. CY's whole family died because of noble intrigues involving Sejong - steering clear of Sejong is the most I can imagine.

But it's not even that because I can sort of handwave that if I have to. I have huge issues with saintly absolutist authority figures (OK, Sejong is not saintly but is presented as andmirable) - after growing in a Communist country, I am allergic to the trope, and the whole 'conversion of CY to the light with the help of the ideologically-correct girl and stern-but-perfect absolute ruler' really reminds me of too many Soviet movies to count.

That is the problem when sageuks address class - it makes me think of class issues. This is fine in something like Chuno or Hong Gil Dong which follow outcasts and rebels, but in TWDR, the drama makes me think about the wrongs of class structure and absolute power only to want to have me be OK with it. I don't have that issues with dramas which never address it in a meaningful fashion (some of my favorite sageuks do not - Legend, Kingdom of the Winds - there are other interesting topics to explore in sageuks) but when they do in a specific fashion, they better carry through.

I think I'll be taking a little break from the drama. It's an excellent work but I think the direction it's veering into is one I need some time and headspace to come to terms with.

Ep 15

Dec. 21st, 2011 12:03 am
dangermousie: (Default)
was sort of a mixed bag for me - well-acted and written as always, and while I do not like Sejong, because I think he's a ruthless, scary borderline psychopath (who, luckily, is interested in benevolent goals and not offing people by the score), he is a great character. But (and I realize it's my personal preferences talking), I am not happy with Chae Yoon becoming Sejong's man. It feels too sudden, alphabet or no alphabet - after all, his issue about powerlessness remains. I can see him letting of of vengeance, but to serve Sejong seems - I am not buying it as I should. CY's whole family died because of noble intrigues involving Sejong - steering clear of Sejong is the most I can imagine.

But it's not even that because I can sort of handwave that if I have to. I have huge issues with saintly absolutist authority figures (OK, Sejong is not saintly but is presented as andmirable) - after growing in a Communist country, I am allergic to the trope, and the whole 'conversion of CY to the light with the help of the ideologically-correct girl and stern-but-perfect absolute ruler' really reminds me of too many Soviet movies to count.

That is the problem when sageuks address class - it makes me think of class issues. This is fine in something like Chuno or Hong Gil Dong which follow outcasts and rebels, but in TWDR, the drama makes me think about the wrongs of class structure and absolute power only to want to have me be OK with it. I don't have that issues with dramas which never address it in a meaningful fashion (some of my favorite sageuks do not - Legend, Kingdom of the Winds - there are other interesting topics to explore in sageuks) but when they do in a specific fashion, they better carry through.

I think I'll be taking a little break from the drama. It's an excellent work but I think the direction it's veering into is one I need some time and headspace to come to terms with.

Ep 15

Dec. 21st, 2011 12:03 am
dangermousie: (Default)
was sort of a mixed bag for me - well-acted and written as always, and while I do not like Sejong, because I think he's a ruthless, scary borderline psychopath (who, luckily, is interested in benevolent goals and not offing people by the score), he is a great character. But (and I realize it's my personal preferences talking), I am not happy with Chae Yoon becoming Sejong's man. It feels too sudden, alphabet or no alphabet - after all, his issue about powerlessness remains. I can see him letting of of vengeance, but to serve Sejong seems - I am not buying it as I should. CY's whole family died because of noble intrigues involving Sejong - steering clear of Sejong is the most I can imagine.

But it's not even that because I can sort of handwave that if I have to. I have huge issues with saintly absolutist authority figures (OK, Sejong is not saintly but is presented as andmirable) - after growing in a Communist country, I am allergic to the trope, and the whole 'conversion of CY to the light with the help of the ideologically-correct girl and stern-but-perfect absolute ruler' really reminds me of too many Soviet movies to count.

That is the problem when sageuks address class - it makes me think of class issues. This is fine in something like Chuno or Hong Gil Dong which follow outcasts and rebels, but in TWDR, the drama makes me think about the wrongs of class structure and absolute power only to want to have me be OK with it. I don't have that issues with dramas which never address it in a meaningful fashion (some of my favorite sageuks do not - Legend, Kingdom of the Winds - there are other interesting topics to explore in sageuks) but when they do in a specific fashion, they better carry through.

I think I'll be taking a little break from the drama. It's an excellent work but I think the direction it's veering into is one I need some time and headspace to come to terms with.
dangermousie: (Default)
I would have never thought a verbal fight about pictographic v. alphabetized writing (between Chae Yoon and the Crown Prince) could be so fascinating. As someone who has always used an alphabet (mine was created by two people, actually - monks Cyril and Methodius), I never thought how alien the concept of alphabet would be to someone living in a purely pictographic world. It's like trying to explain the alphabet to the Sumerians.

Fascinating. Language, especially philology (though this isn't precisely that) always interested me. Who knew a kdrama was going to hit on that interest.

Oh, and the issue from the past post has been resolved to my satisfaction - the drama doesn't seem to agree that ability to sacrifice your kid for the cause is a great thing. It is only CY's nutso test and Crown Prince's defiance of CY's obstinacy, and I can be fine with that.

I do find it interesting the drama has, for the time being, dropped Chae Yoon's argument that alphabet is pointless because poor people are opressed due to lack of status, not illiteracy. Probably because it's not something that can be addressed to Chae Yoon's satisfaction in the 1500s, and if they kept it as his main argument about alphabet pointlessness, it would never go anywhere, because Joseon isn't turning into equality kingdom any time soon.
dangermousie: (Default)
I would have never thought a verbal fight about pictographic v. alphabetized writing (between Chae Yoon and the Crown Prince) could be so fascinating. As someone who has always used an alphabet (mine was created by two people, actually - monks Cyril and Methodius), I never thought how alien the concept of alphabet would be to someone living in a purely pictographic world. It's like trying to explain the alphabet to the Sumerians.

Fascinating. Language, especially philology (though this isn't precisely that) always interested me. Who knew a kdrama was going to hit on that interest.

Oh, and the issue from the past post has been resolved to my satisfaction - the drama doesn't seem to agree that ability to sacrifice your kid for the cause is a great thing. It is only CY's nutso test and Crown Prince's defiance of CY's obstinacy, and I can be fine with that.

I do find it interesting the drama has, for the time being, dropped Chae Yoon's argument that alphabet is pointless because poor people are opressed due to lack of status, not illiteracy. Probably because it's not something that can be addressed to Chae Yoon's satisfaction in the 1500s, and if they kept it as his main argument about alphabet pointlessness, it would never go anywhere, because Joseon isn't turning into equality kingdom any time soon.
dangermousie: (Default)
I would have never thought a verbal fight about pictographic v. alphabetized writing (between Chae Yoon and the Crown Prince) could be so fascinating. As someone who has always used an alphabet (mine was created by two people, actually - monks Cyril and Methodius), I never thought how alien the concept of alphabet would be to someone living in a purely pictographic world. It's like trying to explain the alphabet to the Sumerians.

Fascinating. Language, especially philology (though this isn't precisely that) always interested me. Who knew a kdrama was going to hit on that interest.

Oh, and the issue from the past post has been resolved to my satisfaction - the drama doesn't seem to agree that ability to sacrifice your kid for the cause is a great thing. It is only CY's nutso test and Crown Prince's defiance of CY's obstinacy, and I can be fine with that.

I do find it interesting the drama has, for the time being, dropped Chae Yoon's argument that alphabet is pointless because poor people are opressed due to lack of status, not illiteracy. Probably because it's not something that can be addressed to Chae Yoon's satisfaction in the 1500s, and if they kept it as his main argument about alphabet pointlessness, it would never go anywhere, because Joseon isn't turning into equality kingdom any time soon.
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Am on ep 15 of Tree and Chae Yoon sneers at the Crown Prince that the King is OK with having insignificant people killed for his great cause but would never let his family member (i.e., the Prince) suffer the same way. OK, valid opinion even if not necessarily factually correct.

The Prince counters that nope, the King won't give up letters for anyone, even his son. So he and CY make a bet - CY will write a kidnapping note saying that he has the Prince and if the King doesn't give up creating the alphabet, the Crown Prince is toast. And they'll see what the outcome is. Suicidal but valid way to test the hypothesis.

CP proudly says that nope, the King won't stop even if that means his son's head on a platter. CY says if CP is right, then Chae Yoon will follow the King unquestioningly (and if CP is wrong, CP gets offed).

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCKING FUCK? To me, it is obvious that a man who would sacrifice his own son for a cause is a horrifying monster, a fanatic that would be OK with the biggest bloodbath to achieve his ends (because if he can off his kid to get it, he can create seas of blood, too) and who views humans are pawns - all humans. It's worse than a person who's OK sacrificing those he doesn't know but not those he loves. Infinitely worse. This is how you get historical monsters like Robespierre and Stalin (who refused to exchange his son when he was captured by the Germans as a matter of principle) or those terrorist family members who give interviews that they are proud their son/father/etc blew himself up. This is not a good thing, this is a monster on a scale an average bad guy won't be able to follow, someone who can't be reasoned with, someone who needs to be put down.

AND THE DRAMA SEEMS TO BE TELLING ME THAT THIS IS WHAT WILL MAKE SEJONG A WORTHY PERSON TO FOLLOW?

The fuck!

I don't mind CY instituting such a warped test and seeing the results the way he does - the man is a barely-functioning mess with a chip on his shoulder about inequality. But to expect me, as the viewer, to see "Sejong can have his kid offed for the greater good" as a positive thing? What the fucking fuck. And yet it seems the drama is going that way.

Do not go there drama. If you do, you will remain incredibly acted, well-written, but ideologically so incompatible with my view of the world, this is seriously going to affect my enjoyment.
dangermousie: (Default)
Am on ep 15 of Tree and Chae Yoon sneers at the Crown Prince that the King is OK with having insignificant people killed for his great cause but would never let his family member (i.e., the Prince) suffer the same way. OK, valid opinion even if not necessarily factually correct.

The Prince counters that nope, the King won't give up letters for anyone, even his son. So he and CY make a bet - CY will write a kidnapping note saying that he has the Prince and if the King doesn't give up creating the alphabet, the Crown Prince is toast. And they'll see what the outcome is. Suicidal but valid way to test the hypothesis.

CP proudly says that nope, the King won't stop even if that means his son's head on a platter. CY says if CP is right, then Chae Yoon will follow the King unquestioningly (and if CP is wrong, CP gets offed).

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCKING FUCK? To me, it is obvious that a man who would sacrifice his own son for a cause is a horrifying monster, a fanatic that would be OK with the biggest bloodbath to achieve his ends (because if he can off his kid to get it, he can create seas of blood, too) and who views humans are pawns - all humans. It's worse than a person who's OK sacrificing those he doesn't know but not those he loves. Infinitely worse. This is how you get historical monsters like Robespierre and Stalin (who refused to exchange his son when he was captured by the Germans as a matter of principle) or those terrorist family members who give interviews that they are proud their son/father/etc blew himself up. This is not a good thing, this is a monster on a scale an average bad guy won't be able to follow, someone who can't be reasoned with, someone who needs to be put down.

AND THE DRAMA SEEMS TO BE TELLING ME THAT THIS IS WHAT WILL MAKE SEJONG A WORTHY PERSON TO FOLLOW?

The fuck!

I don't mind CY instituting such a warped test and seeing the results the way he does - the man is a barely-functioning mess with a chip on his shoulder about inequality. But to expect me, as the viewer, to see "Sejong can have his kid offed for the greater good" as a positive thing? What the fucking fuck. And yet it seems the drama is going that way.

Do not go there drama. If you do, you will remain incredibly acted, well-written, but ideologically so incompatible with my view of the world, this is seriously going to affect my enjoyment.
dangermousie: (Default)
Am on ep 15 of Tree and Chae Yoon sneers at the Crown Prince that the King is OK with having insignificant people killed for his great cause but would never let his family member (i.e., the Prince) suffer the same way. OK, valid opinion even if not necessarily factually correct.

The Prince counters that nope, the King won't give up letters for anyone, even his son. So he and CY make a bet - CY will write a kidnapping note saying that he has the Prince and if the King doesn't give up creating the alphabet, the Crown Prince is toast. And they'll see what the outcome is. Suicidal but valid way to test the hypothesis.

CP proudly says that nope, the King won't stop even if that means his son's head on a platter. CY says if CP is right, then Chae Yoon will follow the King unquestioningly (and if CP is wrong, CP gets offed).

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCKING FUCK? To me, it is obvious that a man who would sacrifice his own son for a cause is a horrifying monster, a fanatic that would be OK with the biggest bloodbath to achieve his ends (because if he can off his kid to get it, he can create seas of blood, too) and who views humans are pawns - all humans. It's worse than a person who's OK sacrificing those he doesn't know but not those he loves. Infinitely worse. This is how you get historical monsters like Robespierre and Stalin (who refused to exchange his son when he was captured by the Germans as a matter of principle) or those terrorist family members who give interviews that they are proud their son/father/etc blew himself up. This is not a good thing, this is a monster on a scale an average bad guy won't be able to follow, someone who can't be reasoned with, someone who needs to be put down.

AND THE DRAMA SEEMS TO BE TELLING ME THAT THIS IS WHAT WILL MAKE SEJONG A WORTHY PERSON TO FOLLOW?

The fuck!

I don't mind CY instituting such a warped test and seeing the results the way he does - the man is a barely-functioning mess with a chip on his shoulder about inequality. But to expect me, as the viewer, to see "Sejong can have his kid offed for the greater good" as a positive thing? What the fucking fuck. And yet it seems the drama is going that way.

Do not go there drama. If you do, you will remain incredibly acted, well-written, but ideologically so incompatible with my view of the world, this is seriously going to affect my enjoyment.
dangermousie: (SKKS: Sun Joon weeping by timescout)



So. let's get to it )

And now I need an emotional break. Also, my craving to rewatch Tamra the Island is getting kinda insane. I posted this MV before but have it again.

dangermousie: (SKKS: Sun Joon weeping by timescout)



So. let's get to it )

And now I need an emotional break. Also, my craving to rewatch Tamra the Island is getting kinda insane. I posted this MV before but have it again.

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