dangermousie: (Mawang angst by miss-dian)
These are just some random thoughts I keep having about Bad Guy. Pardon me as I ramble.

Whoever tried to advertise BG as a revenge story did it a disservice. At its heart, it's a family story/melodrama. It is best at showcasing interactions/connections between its damaged characters - the revenge plot is not only not tightly done at all, it's not even a driver of the story or takes too much space. Let me put it this way, if you are a revenge story junkie, you are better off with Green Rose or Resurrection or (the best drama ever made, IMO) The Devil (I am lazy and will from now on refer to it as Mawang).

Revenge stories in kdrama are often a conduit for other themes - forgiveness and change and one's own culpability in Mawang and Resurrection, passionate dysfunctional love in A Love to Kill and Queen of the Game, the suffering motivating such vengeful behavior - Green Rose, Dog/Wolf etc. But still, the revenge and its effects are the main driver in these stories. Bad Guy uses Gun Wook's plans almost as a mcguffin to create its emotional interractions and connections. Its vibe reminds me much more of classic melodramas like Something Happened in Bali and I'm Sorry, I Love You (MiSa). Nobody can claim that the revenge plan in MiSa is in any way anything but an excuse to have So Ji Sub's character meet the girl he loves and slowly become a human being. It's not a revenge drama at all - very little time is occupied with any revenge. And Bali, which is the drama BG reminds me most, has never been described as a revenge drama.

Actually Bali and BG have eerie similarity. We have the prevailing, corrosive power of wealth. We have a powerful, soulless rich family which ends up being brought down by a combo of a smart, poor man who has a grudge (after he realizes he will never be accepted and always used). There is a whole subplot between the poor man and an icy rich woman (though unlike the vulnerable Taera of BG, Young Joo of Bali really does have ice water in her veins). The heroine is a warm-hearted, conflicted gold-digger who draws both of the damaged male protagonists to her through her sheer humanity in contrast with what they normally deal with. The other male protagonist is a horribly damaged rich boy who is emotionally very open and very unstable. Etcetcetc. I could really be here all day but I believe I made my point - Bad Guy, like Bali, is IMO a melodrama and just as I had little interest in seeing So Ji Sub's financial machinations to bring Jangs down, I don't really care about the details of Gun Wook's plans to bring down Hongs in the end - I just like seeing the situations as they develop. Interestingly, just as in Bali, I am all about the damaged rich boy in Bad Guy and the smart poor man leaves me rather cold. Bali is what made me a Jo In Sung fangirl for life - I guess I am drawn to off-kilter vulnerability.

Ironically, I find the protagonist of BG the story's biggest weakness. Even though Kim Nam Gil is a great actor, Gun Wook himself is rather a cypher and not a fascinating one. If you compare BG to Mawang the differences are stark and not just because Mawang is the epitome of the revenge drama. Mawang is a story which really shows the damage and the cost of revenge and what sort of damaged person would be consumed by it. Joo Ji Hoon's avenger in Mawang is arguably even more self-contained than Gun Wook but he is a dynamic, interesting character anyway and as the story goes on you quickly see that this tight control hides a destroyed little child within. Reserved and restrained doesn't have to mean so controlled as not to show anything more than the controlled mastermind facade but that is a problem with BG - so far, after 6+ episodes, that is how Gun Wook comes across to me. He is not an interesting character because the feelings of anger and his background causing his desire for revenge come across fine on paper (i.e. I don't think it's illogical he wants to bring down Hong family) but they lack any emotional connection to me as shown and do not feel dramatic.

One does not need to spend episodes showing the hell that the avenger was put through in order to decide to become an avenger (Green Rose goes that route but something like Mawang reveals the truth stingily, slowly, in scattered flashbacks that probably take 5 minutes combined). But there has to be some sort of an emotional connection and I do not feel any. In part it's because Gun Wook's story is made so bizarrely evil and OTT it makes me roll my eyes at kdrama melodrama - sure, his evil adoptive parents realized they made a mistake and he wasn't the illegitimate son so they dumped the little kid in the rain, he hurt his back badly through being shoved, his parents died trying to pick him up, even his dog got run over. I mean - what???? It all seems a bit silly. Contrast it with e.g. Green Rose, where protagonist is a collateral damage for a corporate murder gone wrong and ends up having his family destroyed as a result and see himself convicted for life for a murder he did not commit , and then, when he goes on the run, almost starves to death in China - it's not just Go Soo's amazing anguished acting that sells this, it's just the story is explained in a number of eps, it immerses you. No crazy brief OTT flashback. One can get away with a brief flashback if it's something fairly simple (like in Resurrection - bad guys killed hero's father to hide their corruption and later his brother. Not much explanation is needed) but if the story is crazy OTT, you better spend more time on it.

But ultimately, what fails to sell me on any sympathy with Gun Wook is not the inadequate background stuff, it's his present-day demeanor. I could overlook a backstory that is lacking if the present-day revenge stuff is interesting either in being clever so the viewer is piecing together a puzzle or emotionally connecting because you are invested in the protagonist, or both. (All the best revenge dramas have both). But here, Gun Wook is so self-contained and so well-put-together and functional, I have little patience or sympathy with him and want to tell him to move on and do something productive - the drama fails to show that whatever happened to him in the past truly screwed him up enough to make him want to go all-out for revenge. The protagonists of Mawang or Dog/Wolf or A Love to Kill - they are all wrecked people and if not for revenge there would be no meaning to their lives. Alternatively, in Resurrection or Green Rose, you see how revenge slowly destroys the protagonist. It all makes for a sympathetic, emotionally grabbing story that has dramatic tension. But neither is the case here. Gun Wook is not particularly symathetic because he is not damaged nor does he become damaged by his vengeful actions. Let me put it this way, if Gun Wook walked away, I can see him living a perfectly fine life - I have not been sold on such a dysfunction which would make revenge necessary. And so the tension in the story is gone.

I cannot identify, sympathize, or get interested in emotions of the protagonist when he has so little of them.

The above is not a bash of Bad Guy or even Gun Wook. It is all a very long way of saying that BG does not work as a revenge story, but what it does work brilliantly as, is a melodrama. Gun Wook is boring as dirt in most vengeance-related stuff or by himself, but his scenes with Taera which sparkle with desperate sexual chemistry and her desires or his scenes with Jae In when he shows vulnerability (i.e. melodrama scenes) work beautifully. And I find the family dynamics of the Hongs and the Hong siblings themselves a lot more interesting than Gun Wook anyway. Taera's cold loveless marriage and her desperation for some genuine warmth and love before it's too late. Mone's spoiled sheltered self-centeredness. Tae Sung's self-loathing and childlike craving for love. Jae In's pressing her nose against the window of the rich people's lifestyles. Madame Shin's cold, socially-calculated scheming. This is what I find really interesting. Gun Wook is interesting to me only insofar as he is a catalyst for any of these people. If Gun Wook randomly fell of a bridge, provided the rest of these characters would remain 'stirred up', I could be just fine. To be honest, I think I would love BG even more if it was a Tae Sung show, instead of Gun Wook show (yes, Bali all over again).

One last quick comment - I have a problem with GW's choice of revenge. He can extract all the revenge he wants from the Hong Parents who wronged him and are monsters. But he is purposely hurting Taera (he is wrecking her life), Tae Sung and Mone, and they have never done anything to him. Tae Sung got torn from his family just as Gun Wook was - he did not choose to come into cold abusive household at 8 on his own. Mone was a baby when all the bad stuff was going down. And Taera was a teen with not much agency either. Leave them alone!

Phew, this was long.
dangermousie: (Mawang angst by miss-dian)
These are just some random thoughts I keep having about Bad Guy. Pardon me as I ramble.

Whoever tried to advertise BG as a revenge story did it a disservice. At its heart, it's a family story/melodrama. It is best at showcasing interactions/connections between its damaged characters - the revenge plot is not only not tightly done at all, it's not even a driver of the story or takes too much space. Let me put it this way, if you are a revenge story junkie, you are better off with Green Rose or Resurrection or (the best drama ever made, IMO) The Devil (I am lazy and will from now on refer to it as Mawang).

Revenge stories in kdrama are often a conduit for other themes - forgiveness and change and one's own culpability in Mawang and Resurrection, passionate dysfunctional love in A Love to Kill and Queen of the Game, the suffering motivating such vengeful behavior - Green Rose, Dog/Wolf etc. But still, the revenge and its effects are the main driver in these stories. Bad Guy uses Gun Wook's plans almost as a mcguffin to create its emotional interractions and connections. Its vibe reminds me much more of classic melodramas like Something Happened in Bali and I'm Sorry, I Love You (MiSa). Nobody can claim that the revenge plan in MiSa is in any way anything but an excuse to have So Ji Sub's character meet the girl he loves and slowly become a human being. It's not a revenge drama at all - very little time is occupied with any revenge. And Bali, which is the drama BG reminds me most, has never been described as a revenge drama.

Actually Bali and BG have eerie similarity. We have the prevailing, corrosive power of wealth. We have a powerful, soulless rich family which ends up being brought down by a combo of a smart, poor man who has a grudge (after he realizes he will never be accepted and always used). There is a whole subplot between the poor man and an icy rich woman (though unlike the vulnerable Taera of BG, Young Joo of Bali really does have ice water in her veins). The heroine is a warm-hearted, conflicted gold-digger who draws both of the damaged male protagonists to her through her sheer humanity in contrast with what they normally deal with. The other male protagonist is a horribly damaged rich boy who is emotionally very open and very unstable. Etcetcetc. I could really be here all day but I believe I made my point - Bad Guy, like Bali, is IMO a melodrama and just as I had little interest in seeing So Ji Sub's financial machinations to bring Jangs down, I don't really care about the details of Gun Wook's plans to bring down Hongs in the end - I just like seeing the situations as they develop. Interestingly, just as in Bali, I am all about the damaged rich boy in Bad Guy and the smart poor man leaves me rather cold. Bali is what made me a Jo In Sung fangirl for life - I guess I am drawn to off-kilter vulnerability.

Ironically, I find the protagonist of BG the story's biggest weakness. Even though Kim Nam Gil is a great actor, Gun Wook himself is rather a cypher and not a fascinating one. If you compare BG to Mawang the differences are stark and not just because Mawang is the epitome of the revenge drama. Mawang is a story which really shows the damage and the cost of revenge and what sort of damaged person would be consumed by it. Joo Ji Hoon's avenger in Mawang is arguably even more self-contained than Gun Wook but he is a dynamic, interesting character anyway and as the story goes on you quickly see that this tight control hides a destroyed little child within. Reserved and restrained doesn't have to mean so controlled as not to show anything more than the controlled mastermind facade but that is a problem with BG - so far, after 6+ episodes, that is how Gun Wook comes across to me. He is not an interesting character because the feelings of anger and his background causing his desire for revenge come across fine on paper (i.e. I don't think it's illogical he wants to bring down Hong family) but they lack any emotional connection to me as shown and do not feel dramatic.

One does not need to spend episodes showing the hell that the avenger was put through in order to decide to become an avenger (Green Rose goes that route but something like Mawang reveals the truth stingily, slowly, in scattered flashbacks that probably take 5 minutes combined). But there has to be some sort of an emotional connection and I do not feel any. In part it's because Gun Wook's story is made so bizarrely evil and OTT it makes me roll my eyes at kdrama melodrama - sure, his evil adoptive parents realized they made a mistake and he wasn't the illegitimate son so they dumped the little kid in the rain, he hurt his back badly through being shoved, his parents died trying to pick him up, even his dog got run over. I mean - what???? It all seems a bit silly. Contrast it with e.g. Green Rose, where protagonist is a collateral damage for a corporate murder gone wrong and ends up having his family destroyed as a result and see himself convicted for life for a murder he did not commit , and then, when he goes on the run, almost starves to death in China - it's not just Go Soo's amazing anguished acting that sells this, it's just the story is explained in a number of eps, it immerses you. No crazy brief OTT flashback. One can get away with a brief flashback if it's something fairly simple (like in Resurrection - bad guys killed hero's father to hide their corruption and later his brother. Not much explanation is needed) but if the story is crazy OTT, you better spend more time on it.

But ultimately, what fails to sell me on any sympathy with Gun Wook is not the inadequate background stuff, it's his present-day demeanor. I could overlook a backstory that is lacking if the present-day revenge stuff is interesting either in being clever so the viewer is piecing together a puzzle or emotionally connecting because you are invested in the protagonist, or both. (All the best revenge dramas have both). But here, Gun Wook is so self-contained and so well-put-together and functional, I have little patience or sympathy with him and want to tell him to move on and do something productive - the drama fails to show that whatever happened to him in the past truly screwed him up enough to make him want to go all-out for revenge. The protagonists of Mawang or Dog/Wolf or A Love to Kill - they are all wrecked people and if not for revenge there would be no meaning to their lives. Alternatively, in Resurrection or Green Rose, you see how revenge slowly destroys the protagonist. It all makes for a sympathetic, emotionally grabbing story that has dramatic tension. But neither is the case here. Gun Wook is not particularly symathetic because he is not damaged nor does he become damaged by his vengeful actions. Let me put it this way, if Gun Wook walked away, I can see him living a perfectly fine life - I have not been sold on such a dysfunction which would make revenge necessary. And so the tension in the story is gone.

I cannot identify, sympathize, or get interested in emotions of the protagonist when he has so little of them.

The above is not a bash of Bad Guy or even Gun Wook. It is all a very long way of saying that BG does not work as a revenge story, but what it does work brilliantly as, is a melodrama. Gun Wook is boring as dirt in most vengeance-related stuff or by himself, but his scenes with Taera which sparkle with desperate sexual chemistry and her desires or his scenes with Jae In when he shows vulnerability (i.e. melodrama scenes) work beautifully. And I find the family dynamics of the Hongs and the Hong siblings themselves a lot more interesting than Gun Wook anyway. Taera's cold loveless marriage and her desperation for some genuine warmth and love before it's too late. Mone's spoiled sheltered self-centeredness. Tae Sung's self-loathing and childlike craving for love. Jae In's pressing her nose against the window of the rich people's lifestyles. Madame Shin's cold, socially-calculated scheming. This is what I find really interesting. Gun Wook is interesting to me only insofar as he is a catalyst for any of these people. If Gun Wook randomly fell of a bridge, provided the rest of these characters would remain 'stirred up', I could be just fine. To be honest, I think I would love BG even more if it was a Tae Sung show, instead of Gun Wook show (yes, Bali all over again).

One last quick comment - I have a problem with GW's choice of revenge. He can extract all the revenge he wants from the Hong Parents who wronged him and are monsters. But he is purposely hurting Taera (he is wrecking her life), Tae Sung and Mone, and they have never done anything to him. Tae Sung got torn from his family just as Gun Wook was - he did not choose to come into cold abusive household at 8 on his own. Mone was a baby when all the bad stuff was going down. And Taera was a teen with not much agency either. Leave them alone!

Phew, this was long.
dangermousie: (Mawang angst by miss-dian)
These are just some random thoughts I keep having about Bad Guy. Pardon me as I ramble.

Whoever tried to advertise BG as a revenge story did it a disservice. At its heart, it's a family story/melodrama. It is best at showcasing interactions/connections between its damaged characters - the revenge plot is not only not tightly done at all, it's not even a driver of the story or takes too much space. Let me put it this way, if you are a revenge story junkie, you are better off with Green Rose or Resurrection or (the best drama ever made, IMO) The Devil (I am lazy and will from now on refer to it as Mawang).

Revenge stories in kdrama are often a conduit for other themes - forgiveness and change and one's own culpability in Mawang and Resurrection, passionate dysfunctional love in A Love to Kill and Queen of the Game, the suffering motivating such vengeful behavior - Green Rose, Dog/Wolf etc. But still, the revenge and its effects are the main driver in these stories. Bad Guy uses Gun Wook's plans almost as a mcguffin to create its emotional interractions and connections. Its vibe reminds me much more of classic melodramas like Something Happened in Bali and I'm Sorry, I Love You (MiSa). Nobody can claim that the revenge plan in MiSa is in any way anything but an excuse to have So Ji Sub's character meet the girl he loves and slowly become a human being. It's not a revenge drama at all - very little time is occupied with any revenge. And Bali, which is the drama BG reminds me most, has never been described as a revenge drama.

Actually Bali and BG have eerie similarity. We have the prevailing, corrosive power of wealth. We have a powerful, soulless rich family which ends up being brought down by a combo of a smart, poor man who has a grudge (after he realizes he will never be accepted and always used). There is a whole subplot between the poor man and an icy rich woman (though unlike the vulnerable Taera of BG, Young Joo of Bali really does have ice water in her veins). The heroine is a warm-hearted, conflicted gold-digger who draws both of the damaged male protagonists to her through her sheer humanity in contrast with what they normally deal with. The other male protagonist is a horribly damaged rich boy who is emotionally very open and very unstable. Etcetcetc. I could really be here all day but I believe I made my point - Bad Guy, like Bali, is IMO a melodrama and just as I had little interest in seeing So Ji Sub's financial machinations to bring Jangs down, I don't really care about the details of Gun Wook's plans to bring down Hongs in the end - I just like seeing the situations as they develop. Interestingly, just as in Bali, I am all about the damaged rich boy in Bad Guy and the smart poor man leaves me rather cold. Bali is what made me a Jo In Sung fangirl for life - I guess I am drawn to off-kilter vulnerability.

Ironically, I find the protagonist of BG the story's biggest weakness. Even though Kim Nam Gil is a great actor, Gun Wook himself is rather a cypher and not a fascinating one. If you compare BG to Mawang the differences are stark and not just because Mawang is the epitome of the revenge drama. Mawang is a story which really shows the damage and the cost of revenge and what sort of damaged person would be consumed by it. Joo Ji Hoon's avenger in Mawang is arguably even more self-contained than Gun Wook but he is a dynamic, interesting character anyway and as the story goes on you quickly see that this tight control hides a destroyed little child within. Reserved and restrained doesn't have to mean so controlled as not to show anything more than the controlled mastermind facade but that is a problem with BG - so far, after 6+ episodes, that is how Gun Wook comes across to me. He is not an interesting character because the feelings of anger and his background causing his desire for revenge come across fine on paper (i.e. I don't think it's illogical he wants to bring down Hong family) but they lack any emotional connection to me as shown and do not feel dramatic.

One does not need to spend episodes showing the hell that the avenger was put through in order to decide to become an avenger (Green Rose goes that route but something like Mawang reveals the truth stingily, slowly, in scattered flashbacks that probably take 5 minutes combined). But there has to be some sort of an emotional connection and I do not feel any. In part it's because Gun Wook's story is made so bizarrely evil and OTT it makes me roll my eyes at kdrama melodrama - sure, his evil adoptive parents realized they made a mistake and he wasn't the illegitimate son so they dumped the little kid in the rain, he hurt his back badly through being shoved, his parents died trying to pick him up, even his dog got run over. I mean - what???? It all seems a bit silly. Contrast it with e.g. Green Rose, where protagonist is a collateral damage for a corporate murder gone wrong and ends up having his family destroyed as a result and see himself convicted for life for a murder he did not commit , and then, when he goes on the run, almost starves to death in China - it's not just Go Soo's amazing anguished acting that sells this, it's just the story is explained in a number of eps, it immerses you. No crazy brief OTT flashback. One can get away with a brief flashback if it's something fairly simple (like in Resurrection - bad guys killed hero's father to hide their corruption and later his brother. Not much explanation is needed) but if the story is crazy OTT, you better spend more time on it.

But ultimately, what fails to sell me on any sympathy with Gun Wook is not the inadequate background stuff, it's his present-day demeanor. I could overlook a backstory that is lacking if the present-day revenge stuff is interesting either in being clever so the viewer is piecing together a puzzle or emotionally connecting because you are invested in the protagonist, or both. (All the best revenge dramas have both). But here, Gun Wook is so self-contained and so well-put-together and functional, I have little patience or sympathy with him and want to tell him to move on and do something productive - the drama fails to show that whatever happened to him in the past truly screwed him up enough to make him want to go all-out for revenge. The protagonists of Mawang or Dog/Wolf or A Love to Kill - they are all wrecked people and if not for revenge there would be no meaning to their lives. Alternatively, in Resurrection or Green Rose, you see how revenge slowly destroys the protagonist. It all makes for a sympathetic, emotionally grabbing story that has dramatic tension. But neither is the case here. Gun Wook is not particularly symathetic because he is not damaged nor does he become damaged by his vengeful actions. Let me put it this way, if Gun Wook walked away, I can see him living a perfectly fine life - I have not been sold on such a dysfunction which would make revenge necessary. And so the tension in the story is gone.

I cannot identify, sympathize, or get interested in emotions of the protagonist when he has so little of them.

The above is not a bash of Bad Guy or even Gun Wook. It is all a very long way of saying that BG does not work as a revenge story, but what it does work brilliantly as, is a melodrama. Gun Wook is boring as dirt in most vengeance-related stuff or by himself, but his scenes with Taera which sparkle with desperate sexual chemistry and her desires or his scenes with Jae In when he shows vulnerability (i.e. melodrama scenes) work beautifully. And I find the family dynamics of the Hongs and the Hong siblings themselves a lot more interesting than Gun Wook anyway. Taera's cold loveless marriage and her desperation for some genuine warmth and love before it's too late. Mone's spoiled sheltered self-centeredness. Tae Sung's self-loathing and childlike craving for love. Jae In's pressing her nose against the window of the rich people's lifestyles. Madame Shin's cold, socially-calculated scheming. This is what I find really interesting. Gun Wook is interesting to me only insofar as he is a catalyst for any of these people. If Gun Wook randomly fell of a bridge, provided the rest of these characters would remain 'stirred up', I could be just fine. To be honest, I think I would love BG even more if it was a Tae Sung show, instead of Gun Wook show (yes, Bali all over again).

One last quick comment - I have a problem with GW's choice of revenge. He can extract all the revenge he wants from the Hong Parents who wronged him and are monsters. But he is purposely hurting Taera (he is wrecking her life), Tae Sung and Mone, and they have never done anything to him. Tae Sung got torn from his family just as Gun Wook was - he did not choose to come into cold abusive household at 8 on his own. Mone was a baby when all the bad stuff was going down. And Taera was a teen with not much agency either. Leave them alone!

Phew, this was long.
dangermousie: (Mawang otp by miss-dian)
1. I don't care whether Ma Sang Tae killed that guy 15 years ago or not, he is a freaking awesome father and I love him. If In Woo's machinations land him in jail, I won't forgive IW. I don't care about his justification and all. But I still don't believe he is a murderer - he is a lousy husband (even if a great father) and an unethical businessman but a murderer he is not - not on purpose at least. And it's nice to know whatever else he didn't frame In Woo's father - he just falsified his own alibi and that led to IW's father conviction.

2. How much do I love that there is no love triangle. I so appreciate that I have never got a romantic vibe from Jenny, In Woo's friend - all her reactions, even her dislike of Hyeri, read as reactions of a close friend. She dislikes Hyeri because she is the daughter of MST who caused all that trouble for IW and because she is making IW conflicted, but I do not see even a hint of jealousy there.

3. In Woo, oh In Woo, what shall we do with you? He is the most fascinating character in this - he makes me so torn. Half the time I want to make it all better and adore him and the other half I want to stab him in the face.

I remain convinced that PP came about when someone wondered "how would it be if we made Mawang into a romantic comedy?" (For a kdrama defition of comedy - i.e. more tears than an Elizabethan tragedy, just with a happy ending). And that is why I am so torn on shipping him with Hyeri. It's the same reaction I had for Joo Ji Hoon and Shin Min Ah's characters in Mawang - I adored them so much, all that torment and restraint, but I couldn't ultimately sign off on them in any long-term way because JJH was simply too broken. And I get the same thing here with In Woo/Hyeri. I adore them together but no - no. No. It's not workable. He's simply too messed up for a functional relationship - what he needs is a decade of therapy before he can be in a romantic relationship that works. And while in some ways In Woo is better off than the protagonist of Mawang (he has not caused deaths of anyone), in another way, he is much worse. In Mawang, JJH's relationship with SMA was the most healing thing in his life - she was not connected with the badness of his past at all - in fact she tried to help even when they were kids. If fate left them alone, who knows, she may have healed him eventually, with enough time and peace. But Hyeri is no external angel of any sort - she is the daughter of the man who as good as killed In Woo's parents in front of his eyes. That relationship wouldn't be healing, it will be a flaming trainwreck - they will end up in a psychiatric unit. Hyeri's loving heart or not, I cannot see her being with a man who put her loved father in jail (and there is the residual familial guilt mixed in) and for In Woo - the same - no matter what, she is still Ma Sang Tae's daughter. It's as if in Mawang, Uhm Tae Woong had a sister and Joo Ji Hoon fell in love with her. Total trainwreck.

That is why I keep thinking Ma Sang Tae isn't really a deliberate murderer - because unless the writer is insane, PP will have a happy ending and not a Mawang one. (Though even then, honestly, I still think In Woo needs MAJOR therapy. This is one drama that needs a time jump). I think it would be lovely if MST is innocent of the murder - it will teach In Woo to use people and jump to conlcusions. Just as I loved that he had to promise Ma Sang Tae to leave Hyeri in exchange for MST confessing - now he has to pay with something he greatly desires too. In fact, when he offered MST choice between past and future (i.e. he can protect his past and hide the murder or he can protect his future -i.e. Hyeri - In Woo will disappear out of Hyeri's life in exchange for a confession), he has the same choice - his past - the memory of his dead father cleared, or his future - letting go of past hurt and chosing to be happy with Hyeri. Ma Sang Tae chose the future and In Woo chose the past. Which just goes to show that whatever his faults Ma Sang Tae is way better adjusted and with knowledge of priorities than In Woo. I felt like screaming at the screen during that scene - sure clearing Daddy's name is praiseworthy, but the man is dead, it makes no difference to him, so how can you pick the dead against chance of present happiness? (The same I felt in Mawang and many revenge dramas. It's different with something like Green Rose, where protagonist is trying to clear his own name, but when it's just the dead people's honor, I want to shake the avenger and tell him to snap out of it and actually live).

4. Serious Prosecutor and Lady Prosecutor bore me. I am glad they will get together but they are sort of dull.

ETA: Because this reminded me of my undying love for Mawang, have a shippy MV:

dangermousie: (Mawang otp by miss-dian)
1. I don't care whether Ma Sang Tae killed that guy 15 years ago or not, he is a freaking awesome father and I love him. If In Woo's machinations land him in jail, I won't forgive IW. I don't care about his justification and all. But I still don't believe he is a murderer - he is a lousy husband (even if a great father) and an unethical businessman but a murderer he is not - not on purpose at least. And it's nice to know whatever else he didn't frame In Woo's father - he just falsified his own alibi and that led to IW's father conviction.

2. How much do I love that there is no love triangle. I so appreciate that I have never got a romantic vibe from Jenny, In Woo's friend - all her reactions, even her dislike of Hyeri, read as reactions of a close friend. She dislikes Hyeri because she is the daughter of MST who caused all that trouble for IW and because she is making IW conflicted, but I do not see even a hint of jealousy there.

3. In Woo, oh In Woo, what shall we do with you? He is the most fascinating character in this - he makes me so torn. Half the time I want to make it all better and adore him and the other half I want to stab him in the face.

I remain convinced that PP came about when someone wondered "how would it be if we made Mawang into a romantic comedy?" (For a kdrama defition of comedy - i.e. more tears than an Elizabethan tragedy, just with a happy ending). And that is why I am so torn on shipping him with Hyeri. It's the same reaction I had for Joo Ji Hoon and Shin Min Ah's characters in Mawang - I adored them so much, all that torment and restraint, but I couldn't ultimately sign off on them in any long-term way because JJH was simply too broken. And I get the same thing here with In Woo/Hyeri. I adore them together but no - no. No. It's not workable. He's simply too messed up for a functional relationship - what he needs is a decade of therapy before he can be in a romantic relationship that works. And while in some ways In Woo is better off than the protagonist of Mawang (he has not caused deaths of anyone), in another way, he is much worse. In Mawang, JJH's relationship with SMA was the most healing thing in his life - she was not connected with the badness of his past at all - in fact she tried to help even when they were kids. If fate left them alone, who knows, she may have healed him eventually, with enough time and peace. But Hyeri is no external angel of any sort - she is the daughter of the man who as good as killed In Woo's parents in front of his eyes. That relationship wouldn't be healing, it will be a flaming trainwreck - they will end up in a psychiatric unit. Hyeri's loving heart or not, I cannot see her being with a man who put her loved father in jail (and there is the residual familial guilt mixed in) and for In Woo - the same - no matter what, she is still Ma Sang Tae's daughter. It's as if in Mawang, Uhm Tae Woong had a sister and Joo Ji Hoon fell in love with her. Total trainwreck.

That is why I keep thinking Ma Sang Tae isn't really a deliberate murderer - because unless the writer is insane, PP will have a happy ending and not a Mawang one. (Though even then, honestly, I still think In Woo needs MAJOR therapy. This is one drama that needs a time jump). I think it would be lovely if MST is innocent of the murder - it will teach In Woo to use people and jump to conlcusions. Just as I loved that he had to promise Ma Sang Tae to leave Hyeri in exchange for MST confessing - now he has to pay with something he greatly desires too. In fact, when he offered MST choice between past and future (i.e. he can protect his past and hide the murder or he can protect his future -i.e. Hyeri - In Woo will disappear out of Hyeri's life in exchange for a confession), he has the same choice - his past - the memory of his dead father cleared, or his future - letting go of past hurt and chosing to be happy with Hyeri. Ma Sang Tae chose the future and In Woo chose the past. Which just goes to show that whatever his faults Ma Sang Tae is way better adjusted and with knowledge of priorities than In Woo. I felt like screaming at the screen during that scene - sure clearing Daddy's name is praiseworthy, but the man is dead, it makes no difference to him, so how can you pick the dead against chance of present happiness? (The same I felt in Mawang and many revenge dramas. It's different with something like Green Rose, where protagonist is trying to clear his own name, but when it's just the dead people's honor, I want to shake the avenger and tell him to snap out of it and actually live).

4. Serious Prosecutor and Lady Prosecutor bore me. I am glad they will get together but they are sort of dull.

ETA: Because this reminded me of my undying love for Mawang, have a shippy MV:

dangermousie: (Mawang otp by miss-dian)
1. I don't care whether Ma Sang Tae killed that guy 15 years ago or not, he is a freaking awesome father and I love him. If In Woo's machinations land him in jail, I won't forgive IW. I don't care about his justification and all. But I still don't believe he is a murderer - he is a lousy husband (even if a great father) and an unethical businessman but a murderer he is not - not on purpose at least. And it's nice to know whatever else he didn't frame In Woo's father - he just falsified his own alibi and that led to IW's father conviction.

2. How much do I love that there is no love triangle. I so appreciate that I have never got a romantic vibe from Jenny, In Woo's friend - all her reactions, even her dislike of Hyeri, read as reactions of a close friend. She dislikes Hyeri because she is the daughter of MST who caused all that trouble for IW and because she is making IW conflicted, but I do not see even a hint of jealousy there.

3. In Woo, oh In Woo, what shall we do with you? He is the most fascinating character in this - he makes me so torn. Half the time I want to make it all better and adore him and the other half I want to stab him in the face.

I remain convinced that PP came about when someone wondered "how would it be if we made Mawang into a romantic comedy?" (For a kdrama defition of comedy - i.e. more tears than an Elizabethan tragedy, just with a happy ending). And that is why I am so torn on shipping him with Hyeri. It's the same reaction I had for Joo Ji Hoon and Shin Min Ah's characters in Mawang - I adored them so much, all that torment and restraint, but I couldn't ultimately sign off on them in any long-term way because JJH was simply too broken. And I get the same thing here with In Woo/Hyeri. I adore them together but no - no. No. It's not workable. He's simply too messed up for a functional relationship - what he needs is a decade of therapy before he can be in a romantic relationship that works. And while in some ways In Woo is better off than the protagonist of Mawang (he has not caused deaths of anyone), in another way, he is much worse. In Mawang, JJH's relationship with SMA was the most healing thing in his life - she was not connected with the badness of his past at all - in fact she tried to help even when they were kids. If fate left them alone, who knows, she may have healed him eventually, with enough time and peace. But Hyeri is no external angel of any sort - she is the daughter of the man who as good as killed In Woo's parents in front of his eyes. That relationship wouldn't be healing, it will be a flaming trainwreck - they will end up in a psychiatric unit. Hyeri's loving heart or not, I cannot see her being with a man who put her loved father in jail (and there is the residual familial guilt mixed in) and for In Woo - the same - no matter what, she is still Ma Sang Tae's daughter. It's as if in Mawang, Uhm Tae Woong had a sister and Joo Ji Hoon fell in love with her. Total trainwreck.

That is why I keep thinking Ma Sang Tae isn't really a deliberate murderer - because unless the writer is insane, PP will have a happy ending and not a Mawang one. (Though even then, honestly, I still think In Woo needs MAJOR therapy. This is one drama that needs a time jump). I think it would be lovely if MST is innocent of the murder - it will teach In Woo to use people and jump to conlcusions. Just as I loved that he had to promise Ma Sang Tae to leave Hyeri in exchange for MST confessing - now he has to pay with something he greatly desires too. In fact, when he offered MST choice between past and future (i.e. he can protect his past and hide the murder or he can protect his future -i.e. Hyeri - In Woo will disappear out of Hyeri's life in exchange for a confession), he has the same choice - his past - the memory of his dead father cleared, or his future - letting go of past hurt and chosing to be happy with Hyeri. Ma Sang Tae chose the future and In Woo chose the past. Which just goes to show that whatever his faults Ma Sang Tae is way better adjusted and with knowledge of priorities than In Woo. I felt like screaming at the screen during that scene - sure clearing Daddy's name is praiseworthy, but the man is dead, it makes no difference to him, so how can you pick the dead against chance of present happiness? (The same I felt in Mawang and many revenge dramas. It's different with something like Green Rose, where protagonist is trying to clear his own name, but when it's just the dead people's honor, I want to shake the avenger and tell him to snap out of it and actually live).

4. Serious Prosecutor and Lady Prosecutor bore me. I am glad they will get together but they are sort of dull.

ETA: Because this reminded me of my undying love for Mawang, have a shippy MV:

dangermousie: (YKS 14 by srkfanatic)
This is yet another in my series of "Dangermousie ranks all the kdramas she has ever seen" posts. (I have seen over 70 kdramas and, being addicted to ranking, have decided to rank them all). For previous posts go here. Below the cut are dramas ranked 42-30: these range from dramas I like a lot to dramas I love. All of them have flaws that keep them from higher rankings but all of them are dramas I would have no hesitation in recommending. Once again, I have either finished these dramas entirely or finished enough to make up my own mind.

Best friends, warrior princesses, single mothers, and nuns: if you do not like their stories, the heroines of these dramas will cut off your heads and then pray over the bodies )

Until next time :)
dangermousie: (YKS 14 by srkfanatic)
This is yet another in my series of "Dangermousie ranks all the kdramas she has ever seen" posts. (I have seen over 70 kdramas and, being addicted to ranking, have decided to rank them all). For previous posts go here. Below the cut are dramas ranked 42-30: these range from dramas I like a lot to dramas I love. All of them have flaws that keep them from higher rankings but all of them are dramas I would have no hesitation in recommending. Once again, I have either finished these dramas entirely or finished enough to make up my own mind.

Best friends, warrior princesses, single mothers, and nuns: if you do not like their stories, the heroines of these dramas will cut off your heads and then pray over the bodies )

Until next time :)
dangermousie: (YKS 14 by srkfanatic)
This is yet another in my series of "Dangermousie ranks all the kdramas she has ever seen" posts. (I have seen over 70 kdramas and, being addicted to ranking, have decided to rank them all). For previous posts go here. Below the cut are dramas ranked 42-30: these range from dramas I like a lot to dramas I love. All of them have flaws that keep them from higher rankings but all of them are dramas I would have no hesitation in recommending. Once again, I have either finished these dramas entirely or finished enough to make up my own mind.

Best friends, warrior princesses, single mothers, and nuns: if you do not like their stories, the heroines of these dramas will cut off your heads and then pray over the bodies )

Until next time :)
dangermousie: (QSS by bambinainnero)
I want to basically BITCHSLAP most of the hero's family in Marrying a Millionaire. Seriously. (Ahhh, rage at kdrama families, how I missed you!) Our hero is sweet and hard-working but not too bright (about which more below). He's also working hard for his high-school equivalency diploma (with dubious success) as he's never graduated from high school due to family trouble. And? His family, with the exception of the youngest brother, treats him like a retarded errand boy. They insult him to his face, make him run errands which they can easily do themselves because his studying is not important as he will fail anyway, and did I mention that he works about a billion jobs to support his obnoxious older brother and father, who do not work and whose fault it is he didn't get to finish high school? His father charmingly says it's all the kid's fault: nobody made him work so hard and he wouldn't have finished high school anyway as he ain't too bright.

*gnash teeth*

No wonder he keeps the little love confession note the heroine wrote to him in middle school in his wallet - I don't think he got much in the way of self-esteem boosts in his life.

Actually, a bit of a tangent - I sort of like the gender reversal trope here - our hero is basically in the position usually occupied by a kdrama heroine. How many sweet-natured and hard-working but rather not-too-bright (dummy with the heart of gold) and not treated well by their family heroines do kdramas have? Dozens and dozens. Here the heroine is the smarter one, the sharper one, the more ruthless one, the one with the temper. (She is also poor btw).

In fact, his long-term idealization of her stems from a total misunderstanding. They went to middle-school together and she liked him and put a love letter in his locker. But then she found out he was a dummy. It was too late to withdraw the letter but luckily for her, she moved away before she had to do anything about it. He, however, thinks she gave it to him while knowing he wasn't very smart (I hasten to add he is not retarded or anything. Just not particularly book-smart) and thinks of her as a total angel.

And here we get the premise of the show: she got laid off for bawling out her boss protecting her stepsister. And she desperately needs money to repay her stepmother's bank loan. He, of course, needs money too. And here comesa TV producer who needs to 'cast' his reality show where eight women compete for the love of a gorgeous millionaire. What the women wouldn't know (but the viewing audience would) is that the guy is a poor fake - which the 'lucky' lady finds out once she accepts the marriage proposal. Our hero is perfect for the task - he is poor, good-looking (one of his part-time jobs even now is based on looks. Yay for the drama acknowledging the lead's good looks), and looks like someone the audience will like and not hate. And our heroine? Well, if she enters the show she might get some cash - she knows the truth of the guy not being rich though, obviously. And we are set...

I mainly got it because I adore Go Soo (who plays the male lead here, and does it well, a s always. He first came to my notice starring in the excellent revenge super-hit drama Green Rose. I recommend it).But the whole drama is totally cute so far.

Here is a MV:



And for good measure, a Green Rose MV. I can't rec it enough - it's basically Count of Monte Cristo set in modern Korea. Also, super-angsty and full of REVENGE.



Hmmm, I really should watch Piano, the one with the stepsibling love that he is in.
dangermousie: (QSS by bambinainnero)
I want to basically BITCHSLAP most of the hero's family in Marrying a Millionaire. Seriously. (Ahhh, rage at kdrama families, how I missed you!) Our hero is sweet and hard-working but not too bright (about which more below). He's also working hard for his high-school equivalency diploma (with dubious success) as he's never graduated from high school due to family trouble. And? His family, with the exception of the youngest brother, treats him like a retarded errand boy. They insult him to his face, make him run errands which they can easily do themselves because his studying is not important as he will fail anyway, and did I mention that he works about a billion jobs to support his obnoxious older brother and father, who do not work and whose fault it is he didn't get to finish high school? His father charmingly says it's all the kid's fault: nobody made him work so hard and he wouldn't have finished high school anyway as he ain't too bright.

*gnash teeth*

No wonder he keeps the little love confession note the heroine wrote to him in middle school in his wallet - I don't think he got much in the way of self-esteem boosts in his life.

Actually, a bit of a tangent - I sort of like the gender reversal trope here - our hero is basically in the position usually occupied by a kdrama heroine. How many sweet-natured and hard-working but rather not-too-bright (dummy with the heart of gold) and not treated well by their family heroines do kdramas have? Dozens and dozens. Here the heroine is the smarter one, the sharper one, the more ruthless one, the one with the temper. (She is also poor btw).

In fact, his long-term idealization of her stems from a total misunderstanding. They went to middle-school together and she liked him and put a love letter in his locker. But then she found out he was a dummy. It was too late to withdraw the letter but luckily for her, she moved away before she had to do anything about it. He, however, thinks she gave it to him while knowing he wasn't very smart (I hasten to add he is not retarded or anything. Just not particularly book-smart) and thinks of her as a total angel.

And here we get the premise of the show: she got laid off for bawling out her boss protecting her stepsister. And she desperately needs money to repay her stepmother's bank loan. He, of course, needs money too. And here comesa TV producer who needs to 'cast' his reality show where eight women compete for the love of a gorgeous millionaire. What the women wouldn't know (but the viewing audience would) is that the guy is a poor fake - which the 'lucky' lady finds out once she accepts the marriage proposal. Our hero is perfect for the task - he is poor, good-looking (one of his part-time jobs even now is based on looks. Yay for the drama acknowledging the lead's good looks), and looks like someone the audience will like and not hate. And our heroine? Well, if she enters the show she might get some cash - she knows the truth of the guy not being rich though, obviously. And we are set...

I mainly got it because I adore Go Soo (who plays the male lead here, and does it well, a s always. He first came to my notice starring in the excellent revenge super-hit drama Green Rose. I recommend it).But the whole drama is totally cute so far.

Here is a MV:



And for good measure, a Green Rose MV. I can't rec it enough - it's basically Count of Monte Cristo set in modern Korea. Also, super-angsty and full of REVENGE.



Hmmm, I really should watch Piano, the one with the stepsibling love that he is in.
dangermousie: (QSS by bambinainnero)
I want to basically BITCHSLAP most of the hero's family in Marrying a Millionaire. Seriously. (Ahhh, rage at kdrama families, how I missed you!) Our hero is sweet and hard-working but not too bright (about which more below). He's also working hard for his high-school equivalency diploma (with dubious success) as he's never graduated from high school due to family trouble. And? His family, with the exception of the youngest brother, treats him like a retarded errand boy. They insult him to his face, make him run errands which they can easily do themselves because his studying is not important as he will fail anyway, and did I mention that he works about a billion jobs to support his obnoxious older brother and father, who do not work and whose fault it is he didn't get to finish high school? His father charmingly says it's all the kid's fault: nobody made him work so hard and he wouldn't have finished high school anyway as he ain't too bright.

*gnash teeth*

No wonder he keeps the little love confession note the heroine wrote to him in middle school in his wallet - I don't think he got much in the way of self-esteem boosts in his life.

Actually, a bit of a tangent - I sort of like the gender reversal trope here - our hero is basically in the position usually occupied by a kdrama heroine. How many sweet-natured and hard-working but rather not-too-bright (dummy with the heart of gold) and not treated well by their family heroines do kdramas have? Dozens and dozens. Here the heroine is the smarter one, the sharper one, the more ruthless one, the one with the temper. (She is also poor btw).

In fact, his long-term idealization of her stems from a total misunderstanding. They went to middle-school together and she liked him and put a love letter in his locker. But then she found out he was a dummy. It was too late to withdraw the letter but luckily for her, she moved away before she had to do anything about it. He, however, thinks she gave it to him while knowing he wasn't very smart (I hasten to add he is not retarded or anything. Just not particularly book-smart) and thinks of her as a total angel.

And here we get the premise of the show: she got laid off for bawling out her boss protecting her stepsister. And she desperately needs money to repay her stepmother's bank loan. He, of course, needs money too. And here comesa TV producer who needs to 'cast' his reality show where eight women compete for the love of a gorgeous millionaire. What the women wouldn't know (but the viewing audience would) is that the guy is a poor fake - which the 'lucky' lady finds out once she accepts the marriage proposal. Our hero is perfect for the task - he is poor, good-looking (one of his part-time jobs even now is based on looks. Yay for the drama acknowledging the lead's good looks), and looks like someone the audience will like and not hate. And our heroine? Well, if she enters the show she might get some cash - she knows the truth of the guy not being rich though, obviously. And we are set...

I mainly got it because I adore Go Soo (who plays the male lead here, and does it well, a s always. He first came to my notice starring in the excellent revenge super-hit drama Green Rose. I recommend it).But the whole drama is totally cute so far.

Here is a MV:



And for good measure, a Green Rose MV. I can't rec it enough - it's basically Count of Monte Cristo set in modern Korea. Also, super-angsty and full of REVENGE.



Hmmm, I really should watch Piano, the one with the stepsibling love that he is in.
dangermousie: (Lobbyist hug by miss-dian)
Since Powerful Opponents made me think about drama endings. Now, we all know about those infamous ‘last minute unhappy endings’ which seem to be tacked on to inflict utmost misery (Glass Slippers’ infamous ending, I am looking at you) or those dramas which would pretty clearly end happily as are giggle-fest or unhappily, as they involve hot people with terminal illnesses.

But how about that rare yet delightful category of dramas: surprising happy endings. Not ones that could have gone either way (Smile Again, QSS) but ones you did not expect at all. Behind the cut are Dangermousie’s Top Dozen Most Surprising Happy Endings.

My Dozen Here )
dangermousie: (Lobbyist hug by miss-dian)
Since Powerful Opponents made me think about drama endings. Now, we all know about those infamous ‘last minute unhappy endings’ which seem to be tacked on to inflict utmost misery (Glass Slippers’ infamous ending, I am looking at you) or those dramas which would pretty clearly end happily as are giggle-fest or unhappily, as they involve hot people with terminal illnesses.

But how about that rare yet delightful category of dramas: surprising happy endings. Not ones that could have gone either way (Smile Again, QSS) but ones you did not expect at all. Behind the cut are Dangermousie’s Top Dozen Most Surprising Happy Endings.

My Dozen Here )
dangermousie: (Lobbyist hug by miss-dian)
Since Powerful Opponents made me think about drama endings. Now, we all know about those infamous ‘last minute unhappy endings’ which seem to be tacked on to inflict utmost misery (Glass Slippers’ infamous ending, I am looking at you) or those dramas which would pretty clearly end happily as are giggle-fest or unhappily, as they involve hot people with terminal illnesses.

But how about that rare yet delightful category of dramas: surprising happy endings. Not ones that could have gone either way (Smile Again, QSS) but ones you did not expect at all. Behind the cut are Dangermousie’s Top Dozen Most Surprising Happy Endings.

My Dozen Here )
dangermousie: (YKS 2 by srkfanatic)
Has anyone on my flist seen Resurrection, a kdrama starring Uhm Tae Woong (in a double role!) and Han Ji Min. Because I love the thought of them as the leads (UTW was awesome in Mawang and HJM was a darling in Capital Scandal), and it's by the makers of Mawang, and it's supposed to be good and have a complicated plot.

Plus, look at the cool MV:



And it's all about disguises and vengeance etc.

But...does it have a happy ending? I mean is it a revenge story that's like Green Rose (yay happy at the end! even if needing therapy :P) or Mawang ('brrrrrring out your dead').

Which?
dangermousie: (YKS 2 by srkfanatic)
Has anyone on my flist seen Resurrection, a kdrama starring Uhm Tae Woong (in a double role!) and Han Ji Min. Because I love the thought of them as the leads (UTW was awesome in Mawang and HJM was a darling in Capital Scandal), and it's by the makers of Mawang, and it's supposed to be good and have a complicated plot.

Plus, look at the cool MV:



And it's all about disguises and vengeance etc.

But...does it have a happy ending? I mean is it a revenge story that's like Green Rose (yay happy at the end! even if needing therapy :P) or Mawang ('brrrrrring out your dead').

Which?
dangermousie: (YKS 2 by srkfanatic)
Has anyone on my flist seen Resurrection, a kdrama starring Uhm Tae Woong (in a double role!) and Han Ji Min. Because I love the thought of them as the leads (UTW was awesome in Mawang and HJM was a darling in Capital Scandal), and it's by the makers of Mawang, and it's supposed to be good and have a complicated plot.

Plus, look at the cool MV:



And it's all about disguises and vengeance etc.

But...does it have a happy ending? I mean is it a revenge story that's like Green Rose (yay happy at the end! even if needing therapy :P) or Mawang ('brrrrrring out your dead').

Which?
dangermousie: (Default)
Re: ROCH. omfg, she got raped???? But she thinks it was YG and he is clueless and so she thinks he is a total bastard and leaves? And he is off searching for her (still no clue).

Lady, I know you are unworldly, but if you are in the middle of the woods, why do you assume the guy coming upon you is YG if a. you never slept together before b. he puts a blindfold on and c. has YG ever been able to keep his mouth shut?

Finished Green Rose a few days back.

It was excellent throughout and (surprisingly) didn’t drag at the end despite its 22 episodes.

Spoilery thoughts )

Also, am obsessed with Return of the Condor Heroes. If you want to check it out, I actually recommend going straight to the fourth ep and going from there, as the stuff before it is pure back story and features a kid that might drive you up the wall in annoyance (he didn’t bug me enough to really piss me off but I have huge tolerance for bratty kids, fictional or otherwise, and I still had no interest in him) and no male hotties. So getting through the first few eps is actually kinda a hard slog especially if you are like me and are unfamiliar with the (very famous in China) novel so you are going ‘huh? Who is this? What is his/her name? How are they related to him/her?’ etc.

But starting with ep 4, Hunk of Hunkiness is here (seriously, how did such an unappealing-looking kid with awful hair grow up into such a gorgeous guy with yummy hair? If that’s a side benefit of kung-fu, everyone should be mandated to study it), the pace slows down appropriately, and there is chemistry with his Teacher-OTP and angst and torture and shirtlessness…what was I saying? Sorry, I spaced out staring at him again.

All you need to know from the first three eps is that our protagonist Yang Guo was dumped by his guardian at some monk school for training but he and the monks fit together like oil and water* so he ran away and hid in a cave where the Lady of the Cave taught him incredible martial arts skills. And now he is grown up and the proper story is about to start aka they are going to fall in love (though I am not sure if she is mortal. In any event, she is five or so years older than him but she always looks the same as a side-effect of her ‘arts’) and there will be angst as it is MONDO forbidden.

*Honestly, the monks are loser jerks, but I can see why that kid would drive them up the wall. He was a total brat.

ETA: Jeeeeee-zus. The thread for ROCH at d-addicts is 85 pages. That never happens for non-Japanese series over there. Whoa.

Filming shot:



couple more filming shots )

And because Lee Dong Wook is arguably the most gorgeous kdrama guy out there:

Yummy LDW pic )
dangermousie: (Default)
Re: ROCH. omfg, she got raped???? But she thinks it was YG and he is clueless and so she thinks he is a total bastard and leaves? And he is off searching for her (still no clue).

Lady, I know you are unworldly, but if you are in the middle of the woods, why do you assume the guy coming upon you is YG if a. you never slept together before b. he puts a blindfold on and c. has YG ever been able to keep his mouth shut?

Finished Green Rose a few days back.

It was excellent throughout and (surprisingly) didn’t drag at the end despite its 22 episodes.

Spoilery thoughts )

Also, am obsessed with Return of the Condor Heroes. If you want to check it out, I actually recommend going straight to the fourth ep and going from there, as the stuff before it is pure back story and features a kid that might drive you up the wall in annoyance (he didn’t bug me enough to really piss me off but I have huge tolerance for bratty kids, fictional or otherwise, and I still had no interest in him) and no male hotties. So getting through the first few eps is actually kinda a hard slog especially if you are like me and are unfamiliar with the (very famous in China) novel so you are going ‘huh? Who is this? What is his/her name? How are they related to him/her?’ etc.

But starting with ep 4, Hunk of Hunkiness is here (seriously, how did such an unappealing-looking kid with awful hair grow up into such a gorgeous guy with yummy hair? If that’s a side benefit of kung-fu, everyone should be mandated to study it), the pace slows down appropriately, and there is chemistry with his Teacher-OTP and angst and torture and shirtlessness…what was I saying? Sorry, I spaced out staring at him again.

All you need to know from the first three eps is that our protagonist Yang Guo was dumped by his guardian at some monk school for training but he and the monks fit together like oil and water* so he ran away and hid in a cave where the Lady of the Cave taught him incredible martial arts skills. And now he is grown up and the proper story is about to start aka they are going to fall in love (though I am not sure if she is mortal. In any event, she is five or so years older than him but she always looks the same as a side-effect of her ‘arts’) and there will be angst as it is MONDO forbidden.

*Honestly, the monks are loser jerks, but I can see why that kid would drive them up the wall. He was a total brat.

ETA: Jeeeeee-zus. The thread for ROCH at d-addicts is 85 pages. That never happens for non-Japanese series over there. Whoa.

Filming shot:



couple more filming shots )

And because Lee Dong Wook is arguably the most gorgeous kdrama guy out there:

Yummy LDW pic )

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