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I am so so emotional after I finished episode 22. They are so selfless, desperate, in love, angsty, heroic, beautiful. No words. No words.

They break my heart.

If they don't get their happy ending, I am going to flip.

Yes, proper post coming, of course, but I had to get this out.

Date: 2012-10-24 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] your-insomnia.livejournal.com
I don't think I've wanted my OTP to be happily together in the end this BADLY before. I'm going to be a nervous wreck for the next week.

One thing that I don't understand is why can't Choi Young go with Eun Soo to heaven/present. I mean, that was on the table before, wasn't it? When Choi Young asked his aunt if he should just go with her? At the very least, how do they know that the gate will close immediately after Eun Soo goes in? Why can't it be just like how he dragged her the first time, i.e they go in together, get treatment and come back? I know the whole thing with the gate is unpredictable but it beats staying and waiting for Eun Soo to die!

Date: 2012-10-24 04:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottishlass.livejournal.com
One thing that I don't understand is why can't Choi Young go with Eun Soo
It would be so easy wouldn't it? But Eun-Soo is aware that if she takes him with her, she will change the history of Goryeo (and Korea) as we know it and after Soo-Yun also warned her if she hasn't already saved someone who will change history for the worse, she doesn't want to do that anymore, I guess.
Additionally, even though Choi Young has thought about it, I doubt he would adjust as smoothly as Eun-Soo did.

Date: 2012-10-24 08:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adnanaj.livejournal.com
But Eun-Soo is aware that if she takes him with her, she will change the history of Goryeo (and Korea) as we know it

Of course, ES knows that, and she's too selfless and too much in love to take CY away from his destiny. And I was always, from the very start, "Team ES-and-CY-should-get-their-HEA-in-Goryeo".
Nevertheless, now that things have progressed this far (ES is in real danger of dying), I just don't get why CY doesn't tell her "let's go to Heaven TOGETHER". (I don't actually want them to follow through, but I *want* to hear him say those words).

even though Choi Young has thought about it, I doubt he would adjust as smoothly as Eun-Soo did

I'm just looking at this as an intellectual debate, okay? 'Cause I don't actually want CY to live in the future.
Still... to play devil's advocate. Honestly, the fact that CY would have trouble adjusting to life in the future is a lame argument when weighted against the survival of his woman. The love of his life.
He loves ES desperately, he cannot convince her to go alone (and btw, how can he even bear to suggest eternal separation, feeling as he does for her?), and life as a Goryeo warrior has lost its meaning for him.
So what the heck keeps him in Goryeo at this point?
I'd understand him clinging to Goreyo if the writer had just left him as he was -- a warrior, defined by his honor and his duty to his king. But no: the sword has become heavy for him, he's denied any allegiance to Goryeo, and he's already left his king (ie he hasn't returned yet). So I'm asking again: what the heck keeps CY in Goryeo at this point? When his woman is about to die there?

Also, I'm with your_insomnia on this: ES and CY should try and go to Heaven just long enough for ES to get treatment. Yes, they don't know how long the door will be open, but better to try and save ES than have them meekly accept her (almost certain) death. Right?
I hate these kinds of obvious plot holes.

In other news:
Someone over on the soompi forums posted a spoiler: "Faith" is scheduled to film where that statue thingy is (Heaven's portal in the modern world, through which CY arrived in the 1st episode in Seoul). So yeah.

Date: 2012-10-24 08:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottishlass.livejournal.com
Honestly, the fact that CY would have trouble adjusting to life in the future is a lame argument [...] So what the heck keeps him in Goryeo at this point?
Oh it surely is, I admit that. And all indications are there that they probably go together.
Nothing keeps him at this point, and probably never will be, that and the fact that he has the problems with his hands, it would be the only alternative, because a Woodalchi warrior who cannot carry and handle a sword is a dead Woodalchi warrior pretty soon. He was Gongmin's shield, he was fighting for him, single-handedly and if he can't do that anymore he needs to retire or die (and at this point he would prefer the latter I think, after Eun-Soo is gone.)

My preference would be that they both go forward in time, she gets her shots, he gets his hands checked and both return back to Goryeo (schlepping a good supply of medical equipment with them). A woman can hope *sigh*

"Faith" is scheduled to film where that statue thingy is (Heaven's portal in the modern world, through which CY arrived in the 1st episode in Seoul).
Well, I hope both actors will turn up there for shooting the scene. I hope they do not cordon off the area too tightly, so we might get some reports if LMH was spotted as CY or not. Then we will know some of some answers to our questions.

Date: 2012-10-24 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adnanaj.livejournal.com
...he gets his hands checked...

Oh, I actually took from episode 22 that the problem with his hand is entirely psychological.
It's been tearing at him and wearing him down that, during these days which may well be his last with ES, while his woman is dying, instead of staying by her side or finding an antidote for her illness, he's been out and about, killing "pitiful" people (for the king). So basically, CY's entire being is rebelling against him having to carry that sword and slay people with it. While his woman is dying alone. That's why he can't hold the sword anymore.

Date: 2012-10-24 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] your-insomnia.livejournal.com
That's kind of how I perceived it too. Also, it's been scaring me a lot too because I keep thinking back to his teacher who said that the sword became too heavy for him right before he died. I really hope that's not whats happening to Choi Young as well.

Date: 2012-10-24 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] your-insomnia.livejournal.com
Yeah, I agree completely. I also feel that the whole perception of the gate as "if I go in, I can't come back" is a plot hole since that's exactly what Choi Young did in the beginning...Unless something changed that we don't know about...or they are just trying to heighten the conflict.

Also, didn't Eun Soo pretty much say "screw history?" At this point she messed up history so much that it really wouldn't matter if one measly General disappeared XD

Date: 2012-10-26 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I think he won't think about going unless she offers - because he can ditch his duty if it's to save her life but she can go through on her own and still be safe. General isn't good at figuring out happiness.

Date: 2012-10-24 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottishlass.livejournal.com
My sentiments completely. I am so numb atm I can't put my sentiments about these two in words, let alone write fan fic about them.
Hands down, my favourite Kdrama - heck any dorama - of the year for me. Best OTP, best secondary couple, best character development.

Date: 2012-10-24 11:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amandioka.livejournal.com
Best OTP, best secondary couple, best character development.

This. Totally agreed!

I feel anxious when a new episode comes out because I want to see them together, but I'm also afraid something's going to happen to separate them. I'm so invested in this couple it's not even funny. And so in love with this drama, there isn't one episode that leaves us without a sweet scene... actually, I feel like most episodes are filled with OTP scenes. <33

Date: 2012-10-24 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottishlass.livejournal.com
Same here ... I really not want it to end yet I want to know how it ends, if I can happily write more fanfic about those two when the drama is over or live forever in denial after ep x and pretend it DID end happily.

I've never come across such a wonderful and organic development of a kdrama couple before. It almost seems as if we are watching real ppl becoming acquainted, falling in love, living through struggles. It just breaks one's heart.

Date: 2012-10-26 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Yes yes yes

Date: 2012-10-24 11:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] usisblog.livejournal.com
After Ep22 I don't see how they can have a happy ending. But for the first time ever it does not disturb me. It would fit and my OTP are King & Queen.

Date: 2012-10-24 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adnanaj.livejournal.com
After how much I've cried at the end of episode 22, if any natural laws apply, then it means the drama has to have a HEA. (I mean that, usually, if you think that things are going well, then you get a crappy drama ending. And the reverse: if all seems bleak and sad up until the end, then the end has to change things around.)

And on a less speculative line of argument:
I really see no way for this drama to end, other than with ES and CY together. Why? Because the writer won't be able to screw with actual history -- which has CY becoming this formidable general, winning uncountable battles/wars for Goryeo, and basically being remembered as a great national hero. But CY hasn't achieved any of that by 1351 (when "Faith" is happening). And, if character consistency has any meaning at all, for the writer, then neither will CY be able to fulfill his destiny without ES by his side.
Seriously, with as much as he loves her, with as much of a wreck as he is already just thinking that he will lose her... and indeed knowing the empty shell of a man that he will become without ES... Well, I think it's pretty obvious that, if he loses ES, CY won't become a national hero anytime in the future. Instead, most likely he will seek (and find) death in his very first battle.

So yeah, for history's sake, Faith HAS GOT to give us a happy ending for our ImJa couple.

ETA: Also, do you all know that, supposedly, the historical general Choi Young had a woman he loved very much (not sure if she was a wife or a concubine), and her surname was Yoo. And our fictional Yoo Eun Soo in "Faith" -- well, initially, her surname was "Jeon", but then the writer changed it to "Yoo". Major hopes for my desired HEA reside in this tidbit, y'know?
Edited Date: 2012-10-24 01:03 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-10-26 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
See, my OTP is ES/CY so nooooooooo!

Date: 2012-10-26 08:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] usisblog.livejournal.com
I would prefer a Happy End too but they started a spiral of sadness around them.

Date: 2012-10-24 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lb-klove.livejournal.com
First thing in the morning, after being so sad yesterday - your argument sounds so uplifting. From your mouth to the writers' ears. They will be together for sure, however, with everything set up so far, question is how long.

Date: 2012-10-26 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I hope hope hope it will end well. It doesn't bear thinking otherwise.

Date: 2012-10-24 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linfer.livejournal.com
I have never before shipped any couple that much since John and Aeryn. OMG, it'll be tortue to wait for next week and there is still the fear that the writers will ruin everything. I can bear a bad ending, What I couldn't bear would be a twisting espcially of Eun-soo's character in the last minute. But so far I can hope that won't happen.

Date: 2012-10-26 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Yes yes yes on everything, even the John/Aeryn comment.

Date: 2012-10-24 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It would be so sad if the writer made them both or one of them lost the memory of their time together.

Date: 2012-10-26 12:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com

I don't even want to think about that


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