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I watched the pilot of Kristin Kreuk's new supernatural romance Beauty and the Beast and I am totally in love! I am sure if I were rational, I could nitpick it to death, but I don't care - the pilot pretty much hit every shippy kink of mine out of the gate. That happens with kdramas all the time, but incredibly rarely with American shows.

Katherine is a homicide detective who, years ago, was saved from the men who killed her mother, by a mysterious 'beast'. Nine years later, she meets him again...

I mean, as the OTP it's giving me the trope of 'guy who is sort of a bodyguard for the woman and would lay down his life for her, but has major unworthiness issues.' Mmmmmmmm nomnomnom. And the heroine even talks about them saving each other!

Their first (post saving her in the woods years ago) meeting is when she pulls a gun on him,

I love that she took on a whole bunch of killers and almost won.

Here because KK is a gorgeous woman.

He saves her from thugs, runs away, she chases after him, almost gets run over by a train and he shields her with his body. And there is meaningful staring. Does it make sense? Probably not. Is my id drinking it up? Hell yes.

Hurt/comfort! With him looking up at her! And her touching him when he is all 'I am not human unworthiness angst blah blah' OMFG! Plus, it's probably the first time he's been touched in years. All. My. Kinks.

And she shows up to tell him he is not a monster. Wearing a hell of an outfit. No wonder he is staring. This is pretty much a romance novel in TV form, isn't it? Oh, and he tries to help her with her blaming herself for her mother's death.

Yeah, I need this in my life. I wish I had the whole season to binge on.

At this point, it's pretty much like a Sherrilyn Kenyon novel :P

Date: 2012-10-14 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] timescout.livejournal.com
I liked this one a lot better than Arrow. It actually reminded me of Moonlight in some odd way.

Date: 2012-10-14 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I got the Moonlight too...

Date: 2012-10-14 07:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jamieguo48.livejournal.com
Have you seen the 1987 version this tv series is based off of? Here's a fanvideo of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-NBKXMFKpg

I think it was superior to this in a number of ways. Great acting by Linda Hamilton and Ron Perlman (the guy from Sons of Anarchy), and in the original, Vincent was always a beast, and making this guy just have a beast mode somewhat weakened the whole gist of the original, where Vincent had to hide out to avoid being captured and agonized over what he was, and further, how could he really have a relationship with Catherine if he wasn't fully human.

The stakes were much more potent in the 1987 show right from the start. because it meant that Vincent had to stay in the labyrinth of the underground world of tunnels he and others lived in, while Catherine stayed in the world above. She could never, never have a normal life, because what Vincent had wasn't something fixable, but a part of his very nature.

I also thought Catherine's ease and trust in Vincent here came much too easily, her touching his face after his sad tale of woe (who does that? She just met him and he's a possible suspect?) Then at the end, she finds out about other cases involving him and gives this big spiel on how wonderful he is.... cough! Gag! Why would she automatically think that? Did she even do any research? And what kind of cop takes everything at face value like that?

Again, going back to the 1987 version, Vincent nurses Catherine back to life as she recovers from a brutal attack. Her eyes are bandaged at first, so she listens to his voice as she makes a slow recovery from her injuries. This gave Catherine a chance to trust him when she's at her most vulnerable and I thought they should have done something similar in this new Beauty and the Beast.

It is purty and she's purty, but the show looks like the usual member of CW's lineup, and lacks the depth and uniqueness of the earlier one (Vincent read poetry to her and quoted famous authors often). Still I'll probably watch a few more to see if it improves as pilots are often lame anyway.

Date: 2012-10-14 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I haven't watched the earlier one (and don't plan to as I find old shows haven't aged well for me) so I am kinda a blank slate. Sure, this is very cheesy. But sometimes I like that.

Date: 2012-10-14 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sanaenam.livejournal.com
The old Beauty and the Beast was the bomb. That show taught me empathy.

Date: 2012-10-14 08:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] puion.livejournal.com
So happy you love this Mousie!!!

I hope this gets better and better, coz the chemistry between the leads is pretty damn good.

And thanks so much for the caps of last scene!!! Don't know why, maybe I have been following your Faith posts (I haven't watched it yet)...the last scene of Vincent on top of the building, staring at Catherine...reminds me of LMH's character in Faith. Maybe it's the longing behind his eyes...that he's falling for her, but he knows he shouldn't. Yet he just can't help himself.

Edited Date: 2012-10-14 08:15 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-10-14 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
OMG, I can totally see that!

Date: 2012-10-14 08:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleobulle.livejournal.com
I'm not a fan of KK (mostly because I hated her character in Smallville and didn't see another project with the actress in it to make me forget the Lana debacle) so I wasn't sure I was going to like it but I did.

I've rarely seen a fight scene like the one we got at the subway station. Yay for badass ladies. She's like the modern Arang.

And yay for heroes always watching over their ladies. *hotness*

But the writing and pacing was awkward. The whole pilot felt very rushed to me and the scenes often didn't flow well together. It could have easily been 90 minutes imo.

But it does look very promising if the writing improves and the shows finds its feet.

Date: 2012-10-14 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I didn't like Lana but I like KK.

I agree the pacing is off - for example, much as I liked the face touching, the rational part of me went 'when did they get that close, did I miss something?'

But it hits too many of my shippy kinks for me not to keep up with this.

Date: 2012-10-14 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cleobulle.livejournal.com
That's it exactly. The pacing is all kinds of off but the subject matter is too good to pass up.

BTW, I was wondering if you'd ever tried to read Lisa Marie Rice? I think you might like her heroes and, IIRC, she wrote a kind of Beauty and the Beast story. Most of her novels go into the erotica category though. They're scorching hot. She also writes more mainstream romance.

Date: 2012-10-14 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Thanks for the rec, I'll definitely check her out.

Date: 2012-10-14 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yes, like a Sherrilyn Kenyon novel when she was classy (before she got all weird and complicated with her Dark Hunters).

Date: 2012-10-14 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Yay! Someone who read SK!

Date: 2012-10-14 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nvr2muchcoffee.livejournal.com
Sherrilyn Kenyon fan present and accounted for! I miss the days when I could afford to go to Dragon*Con every year and attend her sessions and walk with her group in the parade!!!!

Date: 2012-10-14 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Heeee. Cool!

Date: 2012-10-14 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Why is he "the beast" through? Looks pretty much well above average on looks department. Gaspard Ulliel has a scar like that and ladies fall all over him. :D

I am so sorry, does look too prettified for me, I am unlikely to watch. The old show was good though.

Date: 2012-10-14 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I am never going to check out the old show because I find that any shows prior to mid-1990s haven't aged well for me (unless I saw them back way when) but I do know it's supposed to be good.

The beast thing is because in this version he sort of turns into creepy werewolf type thing when he's angry or something

Date: 2012-10-14 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
I wouldn't re-watch it the old show too, for the same reason. It was my very first TV obsession (may be even shaped some of my preferences :D), but the old shows don't tend to age well.

lol. Werewolves and VAmpires are all the rage now.

Date: 2012-10-14 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sisterjune.livejournal.com
I have no interest in watching this show but I kind of dont get people complaining about the male lead being good looking. like why would anyone want to watch a romance based show like this with an ugly male lead? how is that in any way enjoyable? am I missing something lol. I mean not every show needs to be about pretty people but CW's whole schtick is pretty young people and trashy romance plots. like 90210 and Vampire diaries and gossip girl etc etc. So I dunno what ppl even expected.

Date: 2012-10-14 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
Thank you. This. Seriously, this.

I am sort of CW demographic - 30something lady who is often an immature teen at heart as far as my entertainment goes. One of the reasons I enjoy CW is their hunky male/gorgeous female leads. Let's face it, no CW show is going to be some in-depth exploration of the human condition - you watch their shows for shallow/romantic/soapy fun. I mean, I enjoy Boardwalk Empire and had just started on Babylon 5, neither of which has anyone I find remotely attractive, but CW shows are not BE or B5.

People keep telling me to check out the 1980s Beauty and the Beast but I look at the couple pics from the show and no no no way - I mean, dude who looks like a really dedicated furry = automatic turn-off.

Date: 2012-10-15 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sisterjune.livejournal.com
hahaha, the cw isnt rly my thing generally but even I watched gossip girl and vampire diaries for several years before I called it quits. and before it became the CW I also watched veronica mars and the latter seasons of buffy on it. probably the last semi decent shows that appeared on that network lol. but like if u want deep or smart tv with a message you know go watch mad men, go watch breaking bad, or the wire or treme or homeland. Like if you are looking for well written intelligent programming on CW you are looking the wrong place my friend.
and he does look like a furry. I actually had this show recced to me before by a friend when I mentioned I enjoy retro tv for novelty purposes and also the kitsch factor. and I took one look at the male lead and was like nope sorry I'm not into bestiality. lol. I did eventually watch a few eps with the intention of mocking but it wasnt even bad enough to laugh at. it was just mediocre and typical cheesy 80's drama bad. I mean I can see liking it for the nostalgia factor but beyond that...ehhh.

Date: 2012-10-16 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
I'm equally amused by the complaints (folks, it's CW...the closest you'll get to ugly there is "not my thing") he fact that CW seems to genuinely think the strategically placed scar is a huge impediment to his looks.

I've never been a huge fan of the "beauty and the beast" fairy tale or trope, though I have enjoyed various adaptations of it (and then there's Once Upon A Time's version, which took all the bad parts to the exrteme and declared it epic OTP) but the problem I have is this: they've replaced the outer ugliness with with an uncotrollable (or so it seems) anger and temper that make him transform into a bestial thing, and we already have one scene where Catherine unintentional triggers it and is forced to run away. I don't think the show intended us to read it as "she'll have to learn to adjust her behavior and act a certain way to keep him happy and calm" (which takes on even worse connotations when you consider it would be a woman of color having to learn how to behave in a waythat pleases a white man) but rather as the show wanting to show her what his problem is really like and why being around people is hard for him (Vincent himself seems to be a perfectly nice if somewhat bland guy who dislikes isolation and isn't naturally particularly violent). SO I don't think they're intending for the creepy connotations to be there or to spin those as "Romantic," but it could easily tailspin that way and we know CW's history there. I think Nikita is the only CW show I've seen where we didn't have controlling/oppressive/abusive behavior portrayed as romantic.

Date: 2012-10-16 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sisterjune.livejournal.com
oh wow really? thats kind of yikes D: I mean like I said I wasnt intending to watch it at all but if I was this would make me very wary. I really hate stuff like that. I remember a similar scene in meteor garden where shan cai had to walk on eggshells and start giving dao ming si compliments to his ego in order to distract him from questioning the foreigner guy too thoroughly and thus finding out about shan cai's "incident" the previous night and it was just beyond creepy and it was played for laughs and I was like WOW NO. that kind of thing just makes me rly uncomfortable too since I have experience with having to dance around someone's volatile temper and mood swings and like wow is that shit no fun at all. I dont get what CW"s issue is. I've seen vampire diaries and gossip girl and i had to quit both shows cause the romanticized abusive behavior became too much. on top of the character assassination they leveled against my fave female characters. Nikita was really great about not going down this road actually but they DID piss me off with how they killed that ONE poc agent girl that was so awful honestly like she was the only poc person aside from nikita (who's asian heritage isnt even acknowledged in the show) in the show and she was removed from the narrative like THAT. just damn. but I didnt stop watchiing for that but I have gotten behind since the second season began, but now that its on netflix maybe i can catch up a bit....

Date: 2012-10-14 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stardreemer.livejournal.com
I did enjoy the pilot. I've never seen the 1980s show so I have nothing to compare it to. Though I think it should be called "Beauty and the Hulk" because he Hulks out more than he is a beast. lol.

Date: 2012-10-14 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
LOLOL true. At least he doesn't turn green :)

Date: 2012-10-14 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nvr2muchcoffee.livejournal.com
I remember reading about this remake but I'd forgotten all about it. I absolutely adored the original show and I own all 3 seasons, but yeah, it's really dated which makes it hard to get into when I try to rewatch it. Besides, the show went to hell in a handbasket when Linda Hamilton left the show, in my opinion. I really hope this version doesn't go that route at some point.

I might try this one out if I can find it online, cause I don't have CW.

Date: 2012-10-14 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I am sure you can stream it in the usual places :)

Date: 2012-10-14 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
here's a little something for you Mousie:

you were too young for the original. yeah, it was cheesy, but aren't most tv series?

granted, some shows can benefit from the improvement and application of technology, but some are still just cheesy. too bad there isn't enough original content so we have to be content with re-works and re-hashes.

Date: 2012-10-14 10:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I was not too young but I was living in the USSR so no old school BatB for me :)

I am shallow, so no way can I watch a show with a lead who looks like this.

Date: 2012-10-14 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sisterjune.livejournal.com
LOL same tho. What's the appeal there for me? and you ever notice when tv or hollywood wants to tell a "deep" message via a romance about looking past appearances to the goodness within its always told with ugly MEN but not ugly women. interesting or rather i should say insulting double standard. apparently fat men, old men, scarred men, bad men and men that look like they walked out of jim hansen's weta workshop deserve the love of a beautiful woman but nothing so far has come out to argue the opposite. huh.

Date: 2012-10-14 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I have yet to see a single show where the female lead is the plain one. OK, maybe Boys Over Flowers though that was the designer's fault, mainly :P

I mean, I look at that Beast and I am all 'I don't care how deep his soul is, someone who looks like that isn't getting near my ladybits with a ten-foot pole.' Shallow? Whatever. Part of the reason I fell in love with Mr Mousie was because I found him attractive (and vice versa). That's normal. Sure, personality can make a plain person more attractive or a goodlooking one repulsive. But there are limits and dude in lion face is way beyond mine. (Plus, TV for me is romantic escapism with a bit of hormonal ogling thrown in and not real life where you get to know someone over years).

Date: 2012-10-15 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firthgal.livejournal.com
Just want to note that one of the most popular love stories around the world is Betty la Fea (or Ugly Betty). While it's not exactly what we want in regards to the lady actually being ugly (like, I would love an incarnation where she at least gets to be fat), in her world she is perceived to be ugly and/or plain. The Colombian version does it best, I think. She's not ugly so much as clueless when it comes to fashion and terribly insecure about her looks, which she kind of uses as a crutch. She is also clumsy and poor and just feels out of place with all these supposedly high class people. But she is also super confident in her skills and highly devoted to her boss (to a fault, which perpetuates the very messed up love story that happens between them). I just love her to death and I don't think there has ever been another female character on television that I have ever related to so well. Like, I just get her motivations for the things she does, even though I probably would have chosen a different path. And while the love story is full of heartache and deceit and revenge and destruction, it's also about rebirth and confidence and the difference between what you think love is and what love actually is. It's just an awesome telenovela all around (though, the love story doesn't start until about episode 60 or so, so that's a heck of a lot of buildup of their friendship/professional relationship first, which I enjoyed the first time around but always skip during rewatches).

But anyway, that show has its issues, but I think it's the closest we'll ever get to a romance with an ugly girl. And the show is actually somewhat realistic about the way a man would react to a romance with an ugly girl, which makes you hate his guts, but he just falls so deeply for her because of their already strong bond and you can't help but end up loving him. The show is on Viki if anyone wants to see it.

Date: 2012-10-15 05:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sisterjune.livejournal.com
I am familiar with that story and I'm actually not that fond of it. I liked the american version alot better because for one america ferrera was actually chubby/fat at the time (she isnt now tho) and it was more about her growth as a person than a traditional love story and her boss daniel actually does improve for the better in the end and doesnt treat her like crap. I mean it had its flaws to be sure and I unfortunately didnt get the chance to watch all of it (just most of it) but yeah. as for the colombian version. I rly didnt like main guy/love interest. frankly he was a prick. and I dont feel like betty becoming his wife was any kind of happy ending for her even if he is disgustingly rich. esp since she still had a make over done and the super model pretty girl beneath the frumpy clothes was finally revealed just like in a million other films or shows with an "ugly" girl except she's not "ugly" she's a pretty girl in frumpy or weird clothes and then at the end she's transformed into socially acceptable beauty and then "gets the guy" hurray for her i guess. -_- altho my issues with betty la fea went beyond just that but I'm sadly too tired to go into it now. I get why you like it and there's no judgement here. Its just rly not my thing nor do I see it in any way as a step in the right direction to be honest. I hope this reply doesnt piss u off :(

Date: 2012-10-15 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firthgal.livejournal.com
Honestly, I loved it because both of the characters were so flawed. My problem with the American version was that it made Betty too righteous, which often made her look ridiculous because she was always screwing up and making the wrong decisions just like everyone else. She got by on luck and pluckiness, and the story itself just got stupid and lost its way. But I was a humongous fan of the show, so I'm not exactly knocking it, just... it didn't go the way that season 1 had led me to believe it would go. I hated that there was no love story (until the very last two episodes. Pfft). But yeah, a large part of my fandom life was devoted to the American version, but when it gave me no love story, I went searching for other versions, and the Colombian one is just so far superior in terms of story arc and fleshed out lead characters (I think the American one did a better job of fleshing out the supporting characters).

Everyone always complains about Betty's makeover, but it wasn't for Armando, it was for Betty. And it wasn't really that drastic. She was still the plain girl when put next to supermodels, and she was still having insecurity issues after the makeover. It helped her to be taken seriously as a professional, which is what she wanted. Armando was already in love with her and ready to make their relationship public long before her makeover. As for the happy ending, it was Betty's happy ending. She still loved Armando after everything and nothing but him was going to make her feel completely fulfilled. Is that frustrating for the audience after everything he put her through? Yes, but the show is about both of their journeys and how they both affected each other's life.

As for the issues with the hero, believe me, I get it. He's misogynist and lecherous and harsh and demanding and when he goes crazy over Betty he becomes jealous and petty and stalkery. But that was kind of the point. Through his obsession with Betty, he became just like those women that couldn't get over him and kept stalking him. He learned what it was like to be promised everything only to be left with nothing, and it devastated him. He got his just desserts. But still, Betty loved him. She couldn't see anyone but him, and he eventually got to the same point. The rollercoaster romance just gets me right in the gut. They are supposed to be having this faux romance, but for both of them their moments are more real than anything else they had ever experienced.

Had the story just been a straight-up flawless in personality but ugly in looks girl gets the flawless in every way prince, I don't think it would have resonated with so many people in so many different countries. Honestly though, I'd love to see a Korean version made. I really want to see how they'd tackle it in a way that would make it less dark/offensive.

Date: 2012-10-14 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] algelic.livejournal.com
I can't believe that out of all the airing American shows you actually went with "Arrow" and this one!! You should have picked up "Revenge". It's awesome!

I agree with all the other commenters... the original "Beauty and the Beast" was the best. I first watched it when I was like... 8 (?) because my country took YEARS to air stuff that aired in the US many years before. A few months ago I decided to re-watch it. I wondered "will it still be good or will it look cheesy and ridiculous after all these years?" and you know what? It is still amazing. Despite the 80s haircuts, it stands the test of time. --- I think you'd be surprised by how much you like it.

Date: 2012-10-14 10:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangermousie.livejournal.com
I tried Revenge last year and loathed it to the depths of my being.

I love cheesy superhero stuff and can watch it with Mr Mousie, hence Arrow.

And BatB is a romance novel in tv form.

I won't be checking out the old show. In small part because I dislike the plot point of LH dying, but more because I can't watch a show with a male lead looking like a furrie.

Date: 2012-10-19 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rogue-missy.livejournal.com
I realized after the first episode that I really liked this show and not just because Kristen Kreuk was in it.
And after tonights episode I have all sorts of affection for it!


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